Posted by missinglynx on February 21, 2001, at 8:01:32
In reply to Bodybuilding suppliments and depression, posted by MarkinBoston on February 15, 2001, at 13:04:41
> OK, first off, I tried pro-hormones and they made me depressed, even with chrysin. I felt normal within 2 days after stopping. I suspect the chrysin didn't do much and a real estrogen blocker was called for, and there's lots of information around on what and where. Except for Proviron, none are schedule III steroids. Not enough estrogen is very dangerous, besides slowing your gains. Your blood High Density Liproprotein levels will drop and put you at serious risk for a heart attack.
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> Hormones do not get the attention they deserve by doctors who write scripts for psyc meds. Too much aromataze conversion of testosterone to estradiol could be your whole problem, or another way to look at it is too much test resulting in too much estradiol.
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> If you've been taking the suppliments for months, then stopping may be rocky, but a sure sign that hormone issues are responsible for mood problems.
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> Anabolics.com just emailed me about some new, super (expensive), pro-hormone stack that has a good amount of estrogen blocking. Personally, I'd just rather use the real stuff instead of an over-priced "nutritional suppliment" whose only advantage is being legal without a script. I might be twice your age, so getting a script is easier for me than you.
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> Agitation is common with Effexor and should gradually decline. Your doc can give you smaller pills so that you can back off the dose a little and go up more gradually. People take all kinds of different amounts. I take 225 mg/day, most range from 75-300, some 37.5, others 400. I have never taken an anti-psychotic.
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> > Hi everyone.I'm new to actually "writing' to this group... I figured Id become more of a participant, rather than just read. I've had the worst "luck' concerning finding any AD that I could tolerate through the first weeks. Even a kids dose of Remeron put me in a stupor. Paxil, nada, nearly vomited constantly. Unfortunatly Im obsessive about my weight.I lift weight and buy into the whole.. Big giant muscle syndrome. Anyhow I want to gain weight. Whats the common effective dose of Effexor SR? Is feeling hyper and restless any cause for concern? I'm on 150 mgs. currently... Anyone out there mix an Antipsychotic with their Effexor? (I'm taking Zyprexa with the E) Hopefully my constant "dark" distorted moods will not return, feeling OK so far... I just wanted to say hello to you fine men and women Take Care
> > missinglynx... Wish me luck,
I really appreciate the comments from both of you. It gives me something to think about while I plan my next 'strike"! I just got some semi bad news from a Reumatologist.It seems my neck xrays are arthritic, plus Ive got some abnormal numbers in one ANA antibody test... ITs all part of this exhausting Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. So if I dont make perfect sense on here, its due to the aformentioned.
I guess you could say prescriptions have to be approched by me with real Caution... You both sound like your protical is working perfectly. Your hard work and research is paying off! Mark, have you gotten the testosterone issue covered? Im the KING at weaseling prescriptions I need..LOL sometimes they put me flat on my back... so much for brilliance... Im cutting back on the Effexor to 50 per day. 150 was just way too hyper... Never depressed but felt "wired" Ill work up slower. 75 seems to "prevent" dark depression. I feel thats very important. Plus after reading the withdrawl messages Im frankly Worried!!
SalArmy4me. How did you get an MD to prescribe something you wanted, which isnt part of the usual "group"? Was it easy, Difficult, impossible?? Are your depressions a thing of the past, do you think youve hit remission I sure how you both a cured..anyhow with heavy weightlifting and Effexor/zyprexa I should feel perfect.. dont you think? A few microbrews (Black Butte Porter might be fun) GOod luck everyone
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