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Posted by johnj on June 1, 2002, at 9:06:35
Has anyone tried deep breathing, yoga, or any other methods with any success in reducing anxiety or depression? Thanks.
Johnj
Posted by beardedlady on June 1, 2002, at 12:51:44
In reply to Anxiety reducing methods??, posted by johnj on June 1, 2002, at 9:06:35
John:
Deep breathing absolutely works. A hot bath works for me, too, but it may not be optimal. Exercise is probably the best, as it burns off some of that adrenaline. And music. Definitely music--singing really loudly with the song!
beardy : )>
Posted by terra miller on June 1, 2002, at 20:29:52
In reply to Anxiety reducing methods??, posted by johnj on June 1, 2002, at 9:06:35
i used to resist the deep breathing because it just made me more anxious, but now i admit that it's really helpful. also, it helps to focus on something else in a really anxious moment and talk to yourself about where you are physically and what is actually happening in your immediate surroundings. i agree that it's beneficial to me to take a bath, or drink warm herbal tea, or do whatever is soothing to you in the evening to maintain a level of calmness. but there are other times that i am so revved up that i get on my exercise machine and put in a video where somebody wins over a big dilemna (apollo 13, for example... i used to do this endlessly i think i drove my family insane.. working out to apollo 13) but the exercise helped me release some of the anxiety and fear, and watching the intense movie increased my hope in victory of the good guy in the end/triumph. this is good depression lift too.
oh, and i forgot that i recently purchased a pilates machine and talk about relaxing! it really helps me center down and focus, which is exactly what i need to do when i'm anxious.
terra
Posted by beardedlady on June 2, 2002, at 6:35:52
In reply to Re: Anxiety reducing methods?? » johnj, posted by terra miller on June 1, 2002, at 20:29:52
Yes, it's hard to do the breathing one, and most people think it doesn't work. When we're anxious, we're also impatient, and you really have to control yourself. I had to do that last night, and it really helped for the length of time I worked on it, but I was so "into" my anxiety (it was for a good reason) that I stopped trying to fight it.
beardy : )>
Posted by bookgurl99 on June 4, 2002, at 1:15:22
In reply to Anxiety reducing methods??, posted by johnj on June 1, 2002, at 9:06:35
> Has anyone tried deep breathing, yoga, or any other methods with any success in reducing anxiety or depression? Thanks.
> JohnjJohnj,
I learned a 'tapping' and mental retraining technique called EFT (emotional freedom technique, I think) from my therapist. I think you could probably learn it from a sympathetic-minded therapist.
There's information available online. Little is understood about how it works, but I've taught it to my mom and sister who both have panic attacks and it works for them.
--bookgurl99 :D
Posted by NikkiT2 on June 4, 2002, at 13:50:42
In reply to Anxiety reducing methods??, posted by johnj on June 1, 2002, at 9:06:35
Deep breathing often helps me.. as long as I ctahc the whole anxiety attack early I can usually over come it.. sometimes it only works for a little while, somethimes it stops it totally. It sometimes helps me fall asleep too.
I went on an Anxiety management course where i learnt this.. We also learnt massage techniques, but only to do on someone else!! *lol* Massage has helped in the past, as has acupuncture, but I;n not in such a good postion financially these days so can't afford such luxuries!!
Nikki
Posted by BarbaraCat on June 5, 2002, at 12:36:39
In reply to Anxiety reducing methods??, posted by johnj on June 1, 2002, at 9:06:35
> Has anyone tried deep breathing, yoga, or any other methods with any success in reducing anxiety or depression? Thanks.
> JohnjDeep breathing (yogic breathing) works well as long as its done correctly. Otherwise it can cause anxiety and panic attacks due to an imbalance of blood CO2. Most people just work on deeply inhaling and don't realize that it's the longer and more deeper exhale that is most important. If done correctly, no effort at all is required to deeply inhale - all work is done on the exhale where our internal musculature is put to best use.
In yoga, it's called pranayama and much time and care is spent studying and practicing it with guidance. The way that works for me, gleaned from many years of yoga, is done as follows. Best done at first lying down with pillows under head and knees, then standing up in relaxed stance, although anywhere is fine. MOST IMPORTANT: Sternum is lifted, neck should be long in back, chin somewhat tucked in. Chin should NOT be jutting out and sternum collapsed, which constricts air and causes muscle strain. Also, these counts are just ratios and can be as short or long as feels comfortable.
1. Exhale most of the air from the belly through pursed lips to a count of 7,
2. Blow 3 more puffs of air out of lips by contracting belly like a bellows. Even if you don't think there's any air left there is, so contract for each puff and expell it all.
3. Pause with a gentle contraction for count of three, relaxing throat and jaw area.
4. Relax belly and air will naturally flow in through nose. Inhale this way, inflating belly, diaphragm, back, and upper lungs for a count of 6.
5. Pause for count of 2.
6. Repeat from #1 as long as desired, usually for 1-2 minutes.The outbreath is squeezed from the belly and should be blown out like trying to blow out a candle with sustained and directed air, but nothing too strenuous. The pauses at the end of the in and out breath should be relaxed and floating with a sensation of time halting for a moment - no straining or grimacing. The intake of air should feel like an inrush of air is inflating a balloon from the bottom of your belly, then up all around to your sides and back and then up to the thorax. I find this breathwork is both energizing and relaxing. I do it when working out, or just sitting and wanting more prana in my body. Plus, it's a great ab workout.
Another advanced variation is do the above, but through alternate nostrils. This simply means to press one nostril closed while you do the (out, hold)-(in, hold) cycle, then switch nostrils and do the same (out, hold)-(in, hold) cycle. Always start with the out breath and exhale through the nose, rather than the mouth - different from the first exercise. Should be done for 10 minutes. This balances the brain hemispheres and is very good for depression. Keep some kleenex nearby!
Posted by omega man on June 9, 2002, at 21:58:53
In reply to Anxiety reducing methods??, posted by johnj on June 1, 2002, at 9:06:35
I use a self invented form of biofeedback using high impedence wire to move and stabilize my EEG, also CBT, drugs, strength training very slowly I suppose its Yoga CHi or whatever as long is its getting you slower , deeper, and helps relax, I try to create ways, and later I see its already practised...
Posted by BarbaraCat on June 9, 2002, at 22:31:22
In reply to Re: Anxiety reducing methods?? several, posted by omega man on June 9, 2002, at 21:58:53
Please say more about your biofeedback with high ipedence wire. Any and all new ideas welcome. - Barbara
> I use a self invented form of biofeedback using high impedence wire to move and stabilize my EEG, also CBT, drugs, strength training very slowly I suppose its Yoga CHi or whatever as long is its getting you slower , deeper, and helps relax, I try to create ways, and later I see its already practised...
Posted by omega man on June 15, 2002, at 23:00:28
In reply to Re: Anxiety reducing methods?? several » omega man, posted by BarbaraCat on June 9, 2002, at 22:31:22
When youre ill you try all sorts of extremes...its a bit like body brushing a sort of physical process like sex or touch to help bring you here, anxiety is like a psychosis..
so I find it can be drawn out..
I been using "wire" techniques for ten years..sort of like how many people scrape and cut themselves when ill to keep the brain focussed on the body and not thinking about "what if" type scenarios.
High impedence just means wire that allows maximum current through..I think copper has the highest. You bare two ends of a metre length of multi-strand thats got enough stiffness not to bend against the skin but to penetrate it..
use each end at pressure points like the two inside the nose bridge..which help focus ..obviously keep the wire clean..
I don't find this damages the body, just provokes a very helpfull immune rush and a neural sizzle helps frontal awareness and reduces the psychotism..
Its not just an immune response..because over the years I notice that better conductivity helps..I think perhaps theres some sort of electrical leakage happening ..
Its helped me for ten years every day..no matter how many people say its strange..it really does the trick.
Posted by BarbaraCat on June 15, 2002, at 23:59:52
In reply to Re: Anxiety reducing innovation.. » BarbaraCat, posted by omega man on June 15, 2002, at 23:00:28
Fascinating. I definitely think there's alot going on with bioelectricity and biomagnetics that we need to know more of. So, let me see if I'm understanding you so far with the wiring:
- Do you mean like the usual copper elecrical wire and then you strip two ends of it to expose the copper threads?
- Do you separate, or fan out, the individual wire strands?
- Do you penetrate the skin surface with them?
- What other contact points besides the bridge of the nose? And do you mean the surface between the eyes, or inside the nostrils?
- How long do you keep the contact and what should one expect to feel from it?I'm going through a very bad and painful bout of fibromyalgia and accompanying depression right now and am willing to try anything. However, you've given me just enough information to be dangerous, so please expound upon your very interesting idea if you'd be so kind. In return, I'll report back with my clinical trial results. - Barbara
- > When youre ill you try all sorts of extremes...its a bit like body brushing a sort of physical process like sex or touch to help bring you here, anxiety is like a psychosis..
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> so I find it can be drawn out..
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> I been using "wire" techniques for ten years..sort of like how many people scrape and cut themselves when ill to keep the brain focussed on the body and not thinking about "what if" type scenarios.
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> High impedence just means wire that allows maximum current through..I think copper has the highest. You bare two ends of a metre length of multi-strand thats got enough stiffness not to bend against the skin but to penetrate it..
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> use each end at pressure points like the two inside the nose bridge..which help focus ..obviously keep the wire clean..
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> I don't find this damages the body, just provokes a very helpfull immune rush and a neural sizzle helps frontal awareness and reduces the psychotism..
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> Its not just an immune response..because over the years I notice that better conductivity helps..I think perhaps theres some sort of electrical leakage happening ..
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> Its helped me for ten years every day..no matter how many people say its strange..it really does the trick.
Posted by omega man on June 16, 2002, at 3:59:33
In reply to Wiring » omega man, posted by BarbaraCat on June 15, 2002, at 23:59:52
Wow you got quite an interest..hope my novel whatevers...bear fruits of pleasure
- Do you mean like the usual copper elecrical wire and then you strip two ends of it to expose the copper threads?
Yeh thats it, except lately I tie two wires together so you rather than a stereo effect on the body its Quad. That is in each hand you have each end of single wire, and with two cables youre holding two ends in each end or as many as you want...
Have you seen an orgasmatron (seriously) based on the indian head massager...with a motor..its a similar effect except that its nots quite so overwhelming as that device (i made one).. I find my technique aids getting into a meditative state..- Do you separate, or fan out, the individual wire strands?
no I don't cut the wire back that far for that to happen..I just cut it back a 3rd millimeter so it retains its breaking structure without the weakening that occurs if you strip it back to far.- Do you penetrate the skin surface with them?
Its like a variable process..a stroking process better done while pre-occupied..and my aim is to reduce the crazy brain babbling of anxiety so its a short sharp shock treatment.....but I suffer from various problems immune lowness that have many fibromyalgia side symptoms..(no muscle fatigue.)The reason I go on about electrical conductivity is that most of the time I just sit with the wire a fraction above the skin..not touching..but enough for you to feel your body current sizzling..on the tip of the wire to skin..only a good conductor works and for some reason only on wire that can break the skin (don't know why) ..but after a while I feel a build up of excitement..as the sizzle climaxes and then stroke the pressure point...the nerves get highly sensitized...the body is highly tuned to when something is going to break the skin and its one of the obviously most vital reactions we have..the immune system is getting primed and thats what primarily is the response gotten.
Whats happening here is that youre playing with your nerves...much like sexual foreplay..but thats not always availible and not a very good remedy for chronic conditions (bit of a strain to expect anyone to be up for that half an hour everyday).- What other contact points besides the bridge of the nose? And do you mean the surface between the eyes, or inside the nostrils?
Usually pressure accu points..temples..behind ears..inside the bridge of the nose near the corner of the eyes under the eyebrow....near lymph glands on neck or just plain finger pressure here, other good areas are inside knee and elbow joints with heated water bottles..but that is a bit too intense and not really electrical..or medititave..or sustainable for a day !!- How long do you keep the contact and what should one expect to feel from it?
Really its how you feel..its something you figure out...with the wire youre not making contact really..most of the time youre playing with the nerves on these highly sensitive areas, with light circular motion, at the most light scraping, which should do no more than scrape dead skin..getting them prepped..and heated for what it reckons is getting cut...
Lately I've taken it to a higher stage...I can create the electrical body connection first by light contact and then "feel" myself drag current lines from my body by activiating the nerves in the pressure area and playing with the electrical field a foot or more from body point..which is getting into "psychic" areas ...its much healthier as you can involve more physical yogic type movements.It started as self abuse and now has become something almost religious and very healing...
Strange eh ?
Posted by BarbaraCat on June 16, 2002, at 13:13:25
In reply to Re: Wiring » BarbaraCat, posted by omega man on June 16, 2002, at 3:59:33
I've printed it out and as soon as I can drag my poor hurting bod to the hardware store (better yet, send my husband), I'm going to give this a try. The idea appeals to me. I expect this procedure will short circuit the droning negative thought loops and even the physical pain circuits.
As far as my burning interest, yes, you've noticed. I've been doing lots of research on Substance P/pain/depression and my intuitive hit is that your method has an affect on the Substance P -> opiod release. I'm also a student of yoga and other esoteric tantric and kriya practices and so am happy to find another kindred spirit in you! Thanks so much and I'll keep you informed. - Barbara
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2002, at 15:57:43
In reply to Re: Wiring » BarbaraCat, posted by omega man on June 16, 2002, at 3:59:33
> - Do you penetrate the skin surface with them?
> Its like a variable process..> It started as self abuse and now has become something almost religious and very healing...
I don't think I can consider it supportive to spell out methods for penetrating the skin surface, so please don't do that (and others shouldn't ask for it to be done), thanks.
Bob
Posted by omega man on June 16, 2002, at 17:40:31
In reply to Re: penetrating the skin surface » omega man, posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2002, at 15:57:43
Actually I was'nt being clear..or I was'nt to begin with but I thought the quote you pulled made it clear that the idea is to trick the nerves into thinking that a break is whats going to happen and this creates a build up of electrical energy which (if you believe me) can be teased from the body within (probably different for each person's biology and skills) me so far a distance of about 12 inches...
the effect is a pull of energy toward the frontal lobes ..which is very refreshing..requires no drugs (although the technique is amplified by certain drugs)
Anything that gets the frontal lobes out a rut ..for free and has a healing effect can only be healthy..
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