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Posted by Phil on October 18, 2009, at 18:31:06
In reply to Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by Maxime on October 18, 2009, at 17:20:01
Don't envy you Maxime. I think I went 30 days on 2 hours a night. Oblivious to it all.
Knew I was headed for trouble though.I'd try what you're doing. Michael Jackson's method wasn't that hot.
Not sure of what barbituates to try.
Posted by Phillipa on October 18, 2009, at 18:44:12
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by Phil on October 18, 2009, at 18:31:06
Maxie was given two sequenals in hospital during false labor years ago but didn't sleep. I've taken playcidyl also I did sleep on that. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on October 18, 2009, at 21:20:54
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by Phil on October 18, 2009, at 18:31:06
Hey Phil, how are you doing? Haven't seen a post from you for some time (well, I've been laying low).
Maxie, I don't know, but yes, you need sleep--a wise decision.. Can you ask your pdoc--he'd be familiar with the old time barbiturates because of his age and experience. I'll try and google.
fb
Posted by floatingbridge on October 18, 2009, at 21:46:00
In reply to Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by Maxime on October 18, 2009, at 17:20:01
Maxime,
a quick google turned this up:
http://help-me-to-sleep.com/insomnia/benzodiazepines.html
Have you tried Ativan? I had it once--no idea what the dosage was--and I was asleep in seconds. It was by injection after my c-section was over, and I was having a very adverse reaction (an understatement) to something. Ativan stopped it completely and I slept for hours. Also, I think it is more difficult to overdose on this.
Best to you always,
fb
Posted by ColoradoSnowflake on October 18, 2009, at 22:56:34
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on October 18, 2009, at 21:46:00
Hi Maxim and fb:
fb, Ativan's a great idea for Maxime! That's what my pdoc has suggested to me over the years for sleep and anxiety. I have a bottle...I rarely use it but it is good. Strong but not bad later and it really does work. My bottle is .5mg, says "Take 1 to 2 tablets as needed for sleep or anxiety, do not exceed 4 tablets in a 24 hour period".
I think it's addictive like any benzo, but it really is good for sleep without much hangover.
Sometimes I'll take a wee bit for anxiety. Much more than a wee bit and I'm off to dreamland.
Good luck!
Gayle
Posted by floatingbridge on October 18, 2009, at 23:42:15
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by ColoradoSnowflake on October 18, 2009, at 22:56:34
Nice to cross posts with you again!
Hugs, fb
Posted by markwell on October 19, 2009, at 8:45:27
In reply to Hi Gayle! Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » ColoradoSnowflake, posted by floatingbridge on October 18, 2009, at 23:42:15
Is there a good insomnia web site as sleep is a huge problem with mental health issues?
Posted by floatingbridge on October 19, 2009, at 10:26:16
In reply to Re: Hi Gayle! Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by markwell on October 19, 2009, at 8:45:27
> Is there a good insomnia web site as sleep is a huge problem with mental health issues?
Hi Markwell,
I don't know--I'd google till I found one. The above link I posted has a list of minor tranquilizers--but it is an ad, not a 'real' site. Sorry. I was in a hurry :-(
fb
Posted by Phil on October 19, 2009, at 13:55:42
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Phil, posted by floatingbridge on October 18, 2009, at 21:20:54
Doing really well on Abilify and my other three meds. Gaining a bit(sh*tload) of weight though. : )
Posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 14:33:14
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on October 18, 2009, at 21:46:00
Thanks for the link FB. I think I have tried Ativan before. I am not sure if my pdoc would prescribe a benzo for me, but I can always ask. :)
Posted by bleauberry on October 19, 2009, at 18:33:33
In reply to Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by Maxime on October 18, 2009, at 17:20:01
Try an herbal product from Dr Zhang called Herbsom. Widely used in China for centuries. It consists of Corydalis, Zizyphus, and Schizandra. Not your usual household names.
In a 374 patient study, Herbsom was found to be statistically equivalent to methaqualone, an insomnia drug, but without adverse effects, hangover effect, or addiction. It also benefits the cardiological and neurological systems.
It was hard to find any users online, but the few I did find stated that once you take the capsule be prepared to go to sleep.
It is available from hepapro.com or by calling Dr Zhang's office directly. His patients are almost exclusively chronic late state Lyme failed by other doctors. His track record with over a 1000 patients is very impressive. He doesn't use many substances, but the ones he uses meet several criteria...pack a punch, minimal side effects, ability to cross the blood brain barrier, beneficial to the body as a whole, and suitable for longterm use. Insomnia, inability to sleep, and disturbed or painful sleep are huge problems in the late Lyme patients.
I don't know if Herbsom would overcome the insomnia of your med or not, but it sounds like it has very good potential. If methaqualone would, then Herbsom would. The benefit is that it is safe, inexpensive, supportive, time-tested and clinically tested both in the lab and in the real world.
Posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2009, at 19:12:27
In reply to Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by Maxime on October 18, 2009, at 17:20:01
Maxie what about the haldol you took in the past if remember correctly? Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on October 19, 2009, at 20:32:01
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 14:33:14
Maxie, I think it's too difficult to od if that's what he might be worried about. Maybe he can prescribe enough for a few days at a time?
fb
Posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 20:43:13
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2009, at 19:12:27
I've never taken Haldol before. It's not something I want to try due to TD.
Posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 20:44:10
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on October 19, 2009, at 20:32:01
> Maxie, I think it's too difficult to od if that's what he might be worried about. Maybe he can prescribe enough for a few days at a time?
>
> fbYes, that is probably what I would get him to do. Just a few days at a time.
Posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 11:45:03
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 20:44:10
My pdoc doesn't want to prescribe anything for me until he sees me. I got an appointment for Friday morning. I will be a babbling idiot by then if I don't get any sleep.
Posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2009, at 19:22:17
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 11:45:03
Oops sorry it was thorazine just googled sorry Maxie. Phillipa
Posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:29:05
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » MAxime, posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2009, at 19:22:17
> Oops sorry it was thorazine just googled sorry Maxie. Phillipa
That's ok. I would take some thorazine but the pharmacy told me not to take it with the Parnate. Anyhow, I've been off the Thorazine for a while now. I miss. it.
Posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:30:54
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » MAxime, posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2009, at 19:22:17
So when I see my pdoc on Friday I am going to ask for Ativan. I really hate taking a benzo, but this lack of sleep is getting dangerous. So what is the usual dosage of Ativan for sleep? 1 mg? More?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2009, at 19:46:17
In reply to How much Ativan?., posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:30:54
It varies just like all meds. Some need tiny doses I need large ones or did as when the luvox was at 250mg I needed 4-6mg of ativan. Off that I'd need much less as benzos now make me tired. Try since no sleep for so long lmg. Play with dose. That's only my opinion. Love Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on October 21, 2009, at 20:34:51
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » MAxime, posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2009, at 19:46:17
Thanks for responding Phillipa. I just needed to know approx. what the dosage should be because I don't always trust my pdoc to put it high enough. God, I can't wait until Friday night when I can take it! That is if my pdoc will give it to me.
Posted by yxibow on October 23, 2009, at 0:33:58
In reply to How much Ativan?., posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:30:54
> So when I see my pdoc on Friday I am going to ask for Ativan. I really hate taking a benzo, but this lack of sleep is getting dangerous. So what is the usual dosage of Ativan for sleep? 1 mg? More?
>
> Thanks in advance.I've been there, and I'm still there with a sleep disorder, its just at this point the Seroquel covers things, but not always.
Ativan is a quick fix for sleep -- in time, months to years, you'll habituate, and I don't really recommend short term benzodiazepines for continuous use as they won't be around when you are in real need of anxiety help (this includes Xanax, which is even shorter acting).
There are benzodiazepines that are more suited for sleep, Restoril, Dalamane (very strong).
But not to be disparaging, from some of your postings in the past, and I won't bring up why, I would be very concerned if you were taking barbiturates.
Lack of sleep by itself is not dangerous. By this I am not saying that one should get out on the highway or drive a commercial vehicle without sleep.But sleep is self-correcting. It is not a pleasant experience to go through sleep deprivation, but at all costs avoid naps, or any stimulant, caffeine or otherwise. Its just a matter of when the clock can correct itself.
And your medication may be playing a fair role in this too.
Good sleep hygiene also includes not working on the computer, TV, stimulating activity before bedtime. I know, a lot of us get into this habit, I could speak myself.
Getting enrolled into a sleep study if your insurance can possibly provide for it would be very revealing.Sleep and depression (and other psychiatric disorders) have their links. There can be other reasons.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that do, go get some short term relief, but ask your psychiatrist and/or your GP for a longer term referral to a sleep expert if possible.
Something like Lunesta 3mg would be a better choice, but if you want to use Ativan, probably 1mg at bedtime.
-- tidings.
Posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 19:35:15
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » MAxime, posted by yxibow on October 23, 2009, at 0:33:58
Thanks. To be honest I AM looking for a quick fix to sleep. I don't plan on taking Ativan for ever .. just to get me out of this cycle.
I took 2 mg as prescribed when I got home and it wasn't enough to make sleep .... just really out of and stoned. I guess I will try 4 mg tonight.
Posted by floatingbridge on October 23, 2009, at 20:03:50
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » yxibow, posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 19:35:15
Maxime,
Could you add it with a longer acting sleep aid? I know (I think) that Lunesta is unavailable. Do you react favorably to ambien?
fb
Posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:19:23
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on October 23, 2009, at 20:03:50
We don't have lunesta or ambien available in Canada. We have something similar to Lunesta called immovate but it never did anything for me. But in theory, I would be good to combine meds. I just don't know which ones. :(
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