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Posted by Ted_Brosnan on February 22, 2005, at 13:27:56
Hi,
It's been 3 days now with 30mg Selegiline. My Social phobia get worse! I get paranoid and it feels stressing. I am not sure if it's going to be better.
Selegiline gets converted into partially to l-amphetamine nad l-methamphetamine. Not sure if this is the cause of the increased anxiety.
I have Nardil here. I can just get it from pharmacy tomorrow. Not sure how long time should I wait before starting Nardil.
Or should I wait with Selegiline? just can't see how it would help the SA cause it's activating.
Thanks
Posted by ed_uk on February 23, 2005, at 7:49:55
In reply to Should I continue with the Selegiline?!, posted by Ted_Brosnan on February 22, 2005, at 13:27:56
Hi,
>My Social phobia get worse! I get paranoid and it feels stressing. I am not sure if it's going to be better.
I'd start the Nardil if I were you!
>Not sure how long time should I wait before starting Nardil.
How long does your pdoc want you to wait between stopping selegiline and starting Nardil?
Ed.
Posted by Ted_Brosnan on February 23, 2005, at 10:13:15
In reply to Re: Should I continue with the Selegiline?! » Ted_Brosnan, posted by ed_uk on February 23, 2005, at 7:49:55
He wants me to wait a week between the two. But I would prefer 2 weeks or so... Some claim that I just can switch on one day?! Can this be true?!
BTW. The Nardil that I have got is produced by a british manufacturer called Medeva Pharma. Ltd. Do you know how this compares to the Pfizer new Nardil? Can it be the same?
What I love about the Selegiline is that it doesn't cause sexual side effects. In fact it is soooo aphrodisiac, just unbelievable!
Sounds horrible to switch to a Paxill-ike impotence. But if the side effects of Nardil would get better with time, then I might withstand some SE, the important thing now is just start getting some life!
I still think that 3 days on the appropriate selegiline dose might not be enough.
I just recall the moment very well when I held the Nardil !!! I been thinking of that since august 2003! I guess I can wait some 7 to 14 days now.
Would Nardil make me more motivated to socialize?! Would it give me the courage I got on Clonazepam?! Confidence?! What it would help with really?! The avoidance itself?!
Thanx
Posted by ed_uk on February 24, 2005, at 10:13:50
In reply to Re: Should I continue with the Selegiline?! » ed_uk, posted by Ted_Brosnan on February 23, 2005, at 10:13:15
Hi Ted!
>But I would prefer 2 weeks.
If I were you I'd probably wait 2 weeks.
>The Nardil that I have got is produced by a british manufacturer called Medeva Pharma. Ltd. Do you know how this compares to the Pfizer new Nardil? Can it be the same?
As far as I know, all the 'new' Nardil products have the same formulation.
>Sounds horrible to switch to a Paxill-ike impotence.
Not as bad as anxiety though! If you try Nardil and don't like it you can always try something else instead. Alternatively, you could use additional medication to treat the side effects.
>I still think that 3 days on the appropriate selegiline dose might not be enough.
If you can withstand the increased anxiety, it might be worth staying on selegiline for a bit longer. Can you cope with selegiline's side effects?
>Would Nardil make me more motivated to socialize?!
It certainly could do! Some people just don't enjoy socialising though, even if they don't suffer from anxiety. Do you think that you'd enjoy socialising if your anxiety was under control?
Would it give me the courage I got on Clonazepam?! Confidence?! What it would help with really?! The avoidance itself?!
Yes, I think it will decrease your anxiety, improve your confidence and reduce your avoidance. When you took clonazepam, what dose did you take? I remember you had side effects, perhaps the dose was too high. Have you ever taken a very small dose of daily clonazepam (or another benzo) for a few weeks?
Ed.
Posted by Ted Brosnan on February 24, 2005, at 10:27:25
In reply to Re: Should I continue with the Selegiline?! » Ted_Brosnan, posted by ed_uk on February 24, 2005, at 10:13:50
> Hi Ted!
>
> >But I would prefer 2 weeks.
>
> If I were you I'd probably wait 2 weeks.
>
> >The Nardil that I have got is produced by a british manufacturer called Medeva Pharma. Ltd. Do you know how this compares to the Pfizer new Nardil? Can it be the same?
>
> As far as I know, all the 'new' Nardil products have the same formulation.
>
> >Sounds horrible to switch to a Paxill-ike impotence.
>
> Not as bad as anxiety though! If you try Nardil and don't like it you can always try something else instead. Alternatively, you could use additional medication to treat the side effects.
>
> >I still think that 3 days on the appropriate selegiline dose might not be enough.
>
> If you can withstand the increased anxiety, it might be worth staying on selegiline for a bit longer. Can you cope with selegiline's side effects?
>
> >Would Nardil make me more motivated to socialize?!
>
> It certainly could do! Some people just don't enjoy socialising though, even if they don't suffer from anxiety. Do you think that you'd enjoy socialising if your anxiety was under control?
>
> Would it give me the courage I got on Clonazepam?! Confidence?! What it would help with really?! The avoidance itself?!
>
> Yes, I think it will decrease your anxiety, improve your confidence and reduce your avoidance. When you took clonazepam, what dose did you take? I remember you had side effects, perhaps the dose was too high. Have you ever taken a very small dose of daily clonazepam (or another benzo) for a few weeks?
>
> Ed.
>
>Of course i enjoy socializing. I think I am an extrovert but masked totally because of the anxiety. Clonazepam can cause easily depression in me even at the 0.25mg !!!!
BTW. I got the Nardil today. Not sure how long to wait. The supplier is called Hansam UK, manufactured in the UK by Celltech. Some 2 posts here at this site say that this is the same as the old 1950s formula !!! Smells strange though, like metal, maybe magnesium?! And the tablets are red red red.
So long,
Ted
Posted by ed_uk on February 24, 2005, at 10:47:03
In reply to Re: Should I continue with the Selegiline?!, posted by Ted Brosnan on February 24, 2005, at 10:27:25
Hi Ted,
>Of course i enjoy socializing. I think I am an extrovert but masked totally because of the anxiety.
Well in that case you'll probably start to enjoy socialising on Nardil!
>Some 2 posts here at this site say that this is the same as the old 1950s formula !
I don't think it is.
>Smells strange though, like metal, maybe magnesium?! And the tablets are red red red.
I smelt it while I was working in a pharmacy, I think it smells a lot like geranium.
Ed.
Posted by willyee on February 24, 2005, at 22:50:07
In reply to Should I continue with the Selegiline?!, posted by Ted_Brosnan on February 22, 2005, at 13:27:56
> Hi,
>
> It's been 3 days now with 30mg Selegiline. My Social phobia get worse! I get paranoid and it feels stressing. I am not sure if it's going to be better.
>
> Selegiline gets converted into partially to l-amphetamine nad l-methamphetamine. Not sure if this is the cause of the increased anxiety.
>
> I have Nardil here. I can just get it from pharmacy tomorrow. Not sure how long time should I wait before starting Nardil.
>
> Or should I wait with Selegiline? just can't see how it would help the SA cause it's activating.
>
> Thanks
Liquid deprenyl can be a great med,if its used certain ways......as a cognitve ehancer only a drop every few days alone,or to aid in smoking withdrawal.BUT in depression,anxiety,or social problems using it alone is almost impossable.
It really should be used in conjunction with a sedative type of med,using it alone will quickly cause u to feel like ur going mad!!!
This is from my experieance with it,i did actualy have one of my most robost reliefs with it at one point.
I personaly found it to have a outstanding synergey with klonopin......and someone using it with any form of anxiety the last thing i would do is add any stimulating aminos to it,then again im not a fan of amino loading anyway,it never proves t be good long term,not even what we consider long term.
If u stick with it,i suggest lowering the dose and findinng a calming agent that suits u best too add.
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