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Posted by MoBe on September 14, 2002, at 16:25:45
For the last three months I have been taking wellbutrin SR 150 mg and remeron 15mg. It is working reasonably well for the depression and very well for my sleeping problems. However, because I have had adult ADD I was previously prescribed ritilin. One day I tried adding some ritilin in the early afternoon and was pleasantly surprised by what felt like a profound antidepressent action. I felt like my mood was much brighter, and felt VERY interested in my patients (I work in the health care field). I have read that some of you are taking a combination of Wellbutrin and ritilin? What's been your experience? Anybody have any psychiatric docs make any comment about this mix?
Thanks
MoBe
Posted by utopizen on September 14, 2002, at 17:46:24
In reply to Ritilin and Antidepressent action, posted by MoBe on September 14, 2002, at 16:25:45
The first time taking Ritalin induced intense euphoria (a side-effect, according to the FDA).
It ussually doesn't go beyond this. In fact, some stims in some people may produce dysphoria. I get a slight dysphoria on Ritalin and Adderall.
I suggest taking Desoxyn, which will make you happy. No one would be depressed if they took Desoxyn.
Posted by BrittPark on September 14, 2002, at 19:04:25
In reply to Ritilin and Antidepressent action, posted by MoBe on September 14, 2002, at 16:25:45
Ritalin is a not infrequently used augmentation drug for depression. It's part of my mix of drugs, but unfortunately I don't find it curative, just ameliorative. That doesn't mean that it wouldn't be more helpful for you. Talk to your doctor about it. If you've taken it in the past without difficulties it's certainly worth trying, especially with your ADD background. Talk to your psychiatrist.
Feel Good,
Britt
Posted by lawrence s. on September 14, 2002, at 23:48:06
In reply to Re: Ritilin and Antidepressent action » MoBe, posted by BrittPark on September 14, 2002, at 19:04:25
I have been taking Ritalin/Wellbutrin combo for over a year. I think they work well together. Ritalin does have significant antideppresant action which I have experienced. My Psychiatrist will also tell you that it does have marked A.D. properties.
Posted by oracle on September 15, 2002, at 12:27:19
In reply to Re: Ritilin and Antidepressent action, posted by utopizen on September 14, 2002, at 17:46:24
I suggest taking Desoxyn, which will make you happy. No one would be depressed if they took Desoxyn.
The above statement is breathtaking in its
lack of understanding
Posted by MoBe on September 15, 2002, at 13:05:55
In reply to Re: Ritilin and Antidepressent action, posted by oracle on September 15, 2002, at 12:27:19
> I suggest taking Desoxyn, which will make you happy. No one would be depressed if they took Desoxyn.
>
>
> The above statement is breathtaking in its
> lack of understandingDear Oracle
From reading other forum comments, I'm getting the impression that Desoxyn is illegal in Canada. I live in Canada. So Ritilin or dexedrine are propably the closest alternatives.
There is always that concern about permanent brain damage too, although the ADD specialist says that ritilin has been used safely for over 40 years.Thanks
MoBe
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 15, 2002, at 13:10:26
In reply to Re: Ritilin and Antidepressent action, posted by oracle on September 15, 2002, at 12:27:19
> The above statement is breathtaking in its
> lack of understandingOne of the nice things about a group like this is that misinformation can be corrected. When doing that, however, please try not to post anything that could lead previous posters to feel put down, thanks.
Bob
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Posted by oracle on September 15, 2002, at 19:26:54
In reply to Re: Ritilin and Antidepressent action » oracle, posted by MoBe on September 15, 2002, at 13:05:55
. So Ritilin or dexedrine are propably the closest alternatives.
Actually, Desoxyn (methamphetamine) quickly becomes amphetamine (which is dexedrine)
so amphetamine is the active in both dexedrine
and Desoxyn. So both offer the same thing.
The only advantage is once a day vs twice
a day dosing. The cost factor (Desoxyn is more than 2X the cost of Dexadrine) make the choice clear.However, as with all meds, some may do better on
a slightly different med within the same class.
What I object to is what I see as false info
that Desoxyn is the next "cure all" or that it will be different in a huge way.
Posted by utopizen on September 15, 2002, at 20:07:55
In reply to Re: Ritilin and Antidepressent action, posted by oracle on September 15, 2002, at 19:26:54
> Actually, Desoxyn (methamphetamine) quickly becomes amphetamine (which is dexedrine)
> so amphetamine is the active in both dexedrine
> and Desoxyn. So both offer the same thing.
--//While I am greatly flattered you have taken a crazy person like myself so seriously, I do not advise continuing to do so.
Both Desoxyn and Dexedrine are d-amphetamines. Obviously, two amphetamines will have similar effects.But methamphetamine has meth in it- which gets metabolized in the liver. Meth also binds to fat chains. Dexedrine does not have any meth in it whatsoever.
Desoxyn is *not* a cure-all. It should only be used in approved uses or off-label as a doctor sees appropriate. It use to be used in mild depression, and quite often in obesity treatment. Now, it is not often used in obesity treatment, but remains approved for marketing that benefit nonethless. It also needs to be avoided in those patients who have a history of drug abuse.
Desoxyn also has been used in ADHD, approved by the FDA for kids 6+. Abbot considers it as an under-marketed drug, and has partnered with Ovation to develop and market it.
--*--
Obviously, a company like Ovation that's supported by pension funds and is relying on a few drugs to make most of their profits from is not going to spend the lot of their $150 million in acquistion funding on a drug that "no doctor would ever prescribe."
Posted by oracle on September 16, 2002, at 1:51:48
In reply to Re: Ritilin and Antidepressent action Oracle, posted by utopizen on September 15, 2002, at 20:07:55
> Both Desoxyn and Dexedrine are d-amphetamines. Obviously, two amphetamines will have similar effects.
>
> But methamphetamine has meth in it- which gets metabolized in the liver. Meth also binds to fat chains. Dexedrine does not have any meth in it whatsoever.
That is not correct. A short read of "Clinical Pharmocology" on MA will prove this.Dex is d-amphetamine, Desoxyn contains only MA, which then becomes d-amphetamine.
I do not see a point in continuing here.
Posted by oracle on September 16, 2002, at 2:18:36
In reply to Re: please be civil » oracle, posted by Dr. Bob on September 15, 2002, at 13:10:26
Sorry Dr. Bob, that was out of line for me to say that.
For myself, I feel it is rude of me to keep saying the same thing over and over so i will leave these threads alone.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 16, 2002, at 10:46:17
In reply to Re: please be civil » oracle, posted by Dr. Bob on September 15, 2002, at 13:10:26
> > The above statement is breathtaking in its
> > lack of understanding
>
> One of the nice things about a group like this is that misinformation can be corrected. When doing that, however, please try not to post anything that could lead previous posters to feel put down, thanks.PS: Anonymous feedback on this administrative decision may be provided (by psycho-babble open members, for the next week) at:
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