Posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2013, at 8:06:16
In reply to Lou's request-mehyjoar » antennastoheaven, posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2013, at 7:58:39
> > > Let us reason together. Do chemicals that have been used in insecticides and in the commission of mass-murder have healing properties?
> > Nicotine is an insecticide and a potentially useful stimulant with potential therapeutic use.
> >
> > > Has there ever been anyone cured by using mind-altering drugs?
> > How many drugs of any kind cure a chronic condition on their own? Is there a pharmaceutical cure for diabetes?
> >
> > Some mind-altering drugs appear to be useful at curing acute conditions. For example, I believe ibogaine is used to treat opioid withdrawal symptoms.
> >
> > Mind-altering drugs can be the catalyst to make other forms of therapy effective, thus playing a part in curing various mental health issues. Psychiatric drugs in general may be enough to stabilize a patient so that they are able to benefit from other forms of therapy that ultimately cure their condition. MDMA is useful when combined with psychotherapy in treating issues like PTSD.
> >
> > > Do the psychiatrists/doctors now claim that psychotropic drugs cure anything or do they now take the position that they are using the drugs to treat symptoms?
> > I've never met any medical professional who said psychotropic drugs cure anything.
> >
> > > Do chemicals address the underlying cause of depression?
> > The underlying cause of depression may vary, but there is no procedure to effectively determine the cause. In my case, symptoms point to a dopaminergic cause - perhaps low dopamine receptor density. There are chemicals that can apparently increase dopamine receptor density but none that work as antidepressants. However, there are chemicals that increase the amount of dopamine available, thus creating an antidepressant effect.
> >
> > > And if one takes these drugs for just a few weeks, can they become addicted to the drug so that if they stop the drug they could go into a hellish withdrawal and kill themselves thinking that they could never live in that state and that they would be better off dead?
> > "dependent" is a much better word to use here than "addicted".
> > Depends on the drug. Not every drug has major acute withdrawal symptoms. I prefer drugs and dosing patterns that do not result in major acute withdrawal symptoms upon abrupt discontinuation, but if I do take one that does, I like to have a plan and adequate supply to gradually taper or some other way to combat withdrawal. And I personally avoid long-term or frequent use of any drug that is likely to result in post-acute withdrawal syndrome.
> > Suicidal ideation due to a temporary unpleasant state is an unfortunate reaction, and the best way to avoid this is to prevent that temporary unpleasant state from occurring. In other words, don't abruptly discontinue any drugs with nasty withdrawal symptoms, and even better, avoid taking those drugs in the first place unless the benefits of the drug over other options outweigh the risk.
> > Note that sometimes abrupt discontinuation of one drug could be safe when immediately switching to a sufficiently similar drug (such as switching from a SSRI to Prozac with its long half-life), or introducing another drug that will adequately resolve withdrawal symptoms (I have used tianeptine to go cold turkey on Zoloft with minimal discomfort, for example, and as I mentioned earlier ibogaine seems to end acute opioid withdrawal symptoms)
> >
> > > And when the doctor/psychiatrist gives the child the drug to take and tells the parent that the child has to take it for weeks before it "works", whatever that could mean, and then the psychiatrist says to he mom to stop the drug, does not the psychiatrist know that the child now could be an addict at age 14?
> > "addict" is not the right word to use here.
> > If the doctor/psychiatrist instructs someone to abruptly discontinue a drug with major withdrawal symptoms, they were probably not competent enough to prescribe the drug in the first place. This probably happens fairly often, and that's why I try to extensively research every drug I am prescribed, especially reading a variety of anecdotal reports that may indicate issues not reported in the PI sheet or in any published articles.
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> > > And if grown people can not get off these drugs and say that the withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal, how could a child deal with such horror and while mom is asleep, kill themselves?
> > As I said before, this horror is entirely avoidable by education and finding an alternative to abrupt discontinuation.
> >
> > > I KNOW THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF DEPRESSION IN CHILDREN AND HOW TO FREE THE CHILD FROM ADDICTION AND DEPRESSION
> > Once again, "addiction" is not the right word to use, and not every child (or adult) taking a psychiatric drug is dependent on that drug. Depression has many possible symptoms, none of which are universal among all depressed people, and many potential causes. To claim there is a single underlying cause completely contradicts all modern research into depression and mental health, and there is no universal treatment for depression or for safely discontinuing substances one may be dependent upon.
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> antennastoheaven,
> You wrote,[...not every drug has major acute withdrawal symptoms...]
> If your claim here means that you know which drugs do, and which drugs do not have major withdrawal symptoms, then if you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What is a major withdrawal symptom?
> B. What is not a major withdrawal symptom
> C. Some drugs that have major withdrawal symptoms are:
> D. Some drugs that do not have major withdrawal symptoms are:
> E. Do you or do you not advise a mother to drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist with Zoloft and/or Seroquel combined or alone?
> Lou
> For interested readers, here is a video. To see this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B Tpe in:
> [youtube,GOgHIA0aMKE]
> Dr. Gary KohlsFriends,
To see the video, bring up Google and type in:
[psychotropic drugs, The Hidden Dangers, Dr Gary Kohls]
poster:Lou Pilder
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URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130617/msgs/1046094.html