Posted by bulldog2 on November 4, 2009, at 14:33:04
In reply to Re: You Must Use Caution With St. Johns Wort, posted by TenMan on November 4, 2009, at 13:32:12
> > > It is not surprising that a board of treatment resistant individuals would not think highly of SJW.
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> > > What is surprising though, is that those individuals would lose all respect for those who do, or worse, wish to restrict its use to those people!
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> > > In a profession that is more art than science, having the most available options to use is a blessing. Drugs like tianeptine, reboxetine, agomelatine or amineptine are effective antidepressants for some, while others recieve no benefit at all. But wouldn't we all want them available here to at least try? And for goodness sakes if someone achieves a remission shouldn't we be happy for them and hope that others could also find that same response?!
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> > I did not say the herb had no promise. I just believe this is basically a pharm med sitting on our shelves. I see so many different strengths and formulations that I am appalled. We need to remove this herb from the supplement shelves and have pharma companies conduct research on this herb. Find out what works and see if the part of the herb that works can be separated from the other parts that may be responsible from the most serious sides. Perhaps we will end up with a pharm med that is superior to just the herb and without the parts that cause cataracts and serious burns. So we will have a med that has gone thru research,testing a precise formualtion. Doctors will dispense it when appropraiate that it is compatible with your meds. Also warning about cataracts when necessary. SJW may give us a the ingrediants to build a very good ad!
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> The problem is that the our patent system is set up and the hurdles that must be jumped to get FDA approval would prevent a pharm company from ever trying to get FDA approval on SJW. As long as you cannot patent a naturally occurring compound there is no incentive to spend 10's of millions of dollars to get approval. Until that system changes it either is allowed to remain over the counter where it can help those who are helped by it, or, it is removed from the market altogether.
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> Interestingly enough, pharmaceutical companies are working on synthetic derivatives to hyperforin, one of the principle ingredients in SJW. How funny, here we have an effective substance at our disposal, cheap and over the counter, but it would be better if a synthetic derivative were created and sold for a much higher price all in the name of regulation and profit. That strikes me as so backwards. It amazes me how some people would rather be taken care of than learn to take care of themselves. Feed yourself.
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> If you had done any research whatsoever you would know that there are currently hyperforin only brands on the market which do not contain or contain very little hypericin.
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> Finally, St. John's Wort, in the therapeutic doses taken by humans, does not cause cataracts or severe burns. I asked you kindly yesterday to provide actual evidence, not anecdote, to your continued assertion that is does. but you did not. Yet, you still make the claim. I wonder why that is?
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>Can the hyperforin be be extracted (totally free of other ingrediants) and marketed by a pharm company? Hyperforin appears to be the active ingrediant. That way I know exactly what I'm taking. I thought other pharm meds were extracts.
The reality is that at times we don't even know what is in that capsules that says its sjw. Very unregulated system.
As for the cataracts and burns. I've been reading about sjw for about 15 years. It is not easy to locate old online articles.
The cattle were browsing in a field where sjw was growing. There were some severe sides. This was not a study. This was something noted by whomever owned the cattle.
Actually would love to try one of the newer high hyperforin products. There's sc27 by new chapter.But!
1. I now have cataracts
2. I take thyroid (synthroid) blood pressure meds and othersI know you're not convinced these sides are valid.But any reasonable person with cataracts that takes pharm meds would be prudent and pass on the sjw.
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