Posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2009, at 20:30:27
In reply to Re: Anxiety - I'm running out of options, posted by bleauberry on September 9, 2009, at 10:58:14
> Well, in situations like this I think it helps to look at the whole psychiatric game-plan. That is, try the things that make sense. Every one of them is a pure guess. Certain symptoms respond best to certain meds or certain mechanisms. Most of the time. Key...not all the time. I think your case that is important. You are one of the ones in the other category.
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> While anxiety and its cousins you described usually respond to the meds you mentioned, I think at this point it is pure logical deduction to pose the hypothesis..."ok, my anxiety is not serotonin or gaba or dopamine antagonism or calcium channels." Therefore, what else is there?
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> Just as certain meds generally work on certain symptoms, the opposite is true. That is, certain meds which would normally not work on certain symptoms will work on a minority of different people, which is you.
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> Case in point. My anxiety was not helped by any of the meds you mentioned. Actually it was made worse by them. I intuitively felt my anxiety was noradrenergically based. Just too much adrenaline going on! Antipsychotics only increase that. SSRIs and benzos increase it also, because as they dampen the anxiety at first, the out-of-control NE system further ramps itself up to compensate. And that's when the early poopout happens.
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> In my case the answer was just the opposite of logic. It was more along the lines of how homeopathic medicine works. That is, treat like with like. Too much adrenaline? Give it more adrenaline. For me, that meant that something like Milnacipran, heavy on NE, might work. First few days, much worse anxiety and phobias. Expected. Too much NE to begin with, and now even more. From day 4 on, anxiety melting away. Feedback loops and genes and such all kicked in. The NE system now finally realized it did not have to overcompensate or race to keep up, but instead was telling itself to slow down. And the anxiety went away over a couple weeks.
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> My doses were very low. I think prescribed doses are much too high. I prefer custom made tiny ones. Kind of like the whole science of homeopathy...like treats like, and it only takes a little bit.
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> What happens when a healthy child is given an amphetamine? Hyperactive, bonkers, superman energy, right? OK. Now what happens when a hyperactive child is given amphetamine? The calm down! Heck, people here have even reported how stimulants made them tired and sleepy.
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> So my point is...when the obvious stuff doesn't work, we have to turn the book around and realize we are dealing with an opposite situation of what it appears to be. What would obviously not work, or what has never been considered, needs to be seriously considered and tried. Pure logic points in that direction. Pure logic points away from conventional bread-n-butter thinking.
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> I do believe you would find it very helpful to recruit an Integrative MD into your team. They have the knowledge and tests to look at your whole body and all kinds of things your routine MD and psychiatrist and Endos don't much about. Stubborn anxiety is so very common in things like mercury or lead accumulation, various infectious diseases, adrenal insufficiency, food intolerances, just to name a few.bb,
You wrote,[...when...doesn't work, we have to turn the book around...pure logic points away from.. bread- and- butter thinking...].
I am unsure as to what you are proposing here to the member that you are responding to. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the oppportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What criteria do you use to determine that the book has to be turned around if you are wanting to mean here a chemical that one has taken into their system fails to do what is expected by the one that took it into their system?
B. Could there be another approach other than what you describe here?
C. What, in your thinking, constitutes pure logic?
D. Are you a certificated mental health professional?
E. other requests not stated
Lou
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