Posted by yxibow on January 21, 2009, at 2:49:36
In reply to Re: Risk of sudden death? » yxibow, posted by Trans-Human on January 20, 2009, at 6:50:13
> > Everyone has a freedom to speak about how they want to on these issues, but mrm... I don't know how I'm going to say these things with out breaking "civility",
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> > it really makes me feel very constricted when I can't point out that some so-called doctors are firebrands and don't back up their "studies" with good science because of how it might be interpreted by board rules,
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> > Dr. Breggin is well known for years to be an extremely untrustful and inflammatory individual about a lot of psychiatric issues and is.... a well, "quack" by some standards. I'll leave it there.
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> > -- tidings
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> > Jay
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> You are entitled to an opinion - & an opinion is what it is. Dr Breggin is a trained professional with impeccable & extensive qualifications; & considerable clinical experience; his research & understandings are backed by real world scientific study.
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> The only reason why some choose to refer to him as a "quack" is the same reason; that anything that doesn't adhere to the limited scientific reductionist/Bio-Chemical model of orthodox psychiatry & pays homage to medication - is referred to as quackery. Even much which is in opposition to the orthodox psychiatric model; which holds far more water; is simply ignored or written off.
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> IMO - The Orthodox psychiatric scientific reductionist/Bio "Chemical" view of mental illness - is the one which is seriously flawed, miss-guided; causes the most damage, & has got the most very narrow perspective on things.
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> But, each to their own.
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> Yo have no idea as to the constriction I feel & many others do in relation to the blind adherence to & dominance of the purely materialistic faith so many have put in biological psychiatry. Frustration to say the least.
> You are entitled to an opinion - & an opinion is what it is. Dr Breggin is a trained professional with impeccable & extensive qualifications; & considerable clinical experience; his research & understandings are backed by real world scientific study.
>
> The only reason why some choose to refer to him as a "quack" is the same reason; that anything that doesn't adhere to the limited scientific reductionist/Bio-Chemical model of orthodox psychiatry & pays homage to medication - is referred to as quackery. Even much which is in opposition to the orthodox psychiatric model; which holds far more water; is simply ignored or written off.
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> IMO - The Orthodox psychiatric scientific reductionist/Bio "Chemical" view of mental illness - is the one which is seriously flawed, miss-guided; causes the most damage, & has got the most very narrow perspective on things.
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> But, each to their own.
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> Yo have no idea as to the constriction I feel & many others do in relation to the blind adherence to & dominance of the purely materialistic faith so many have put in biological psychiatry. Frustration to say the least.
Yes, each to their own. The biochemical imbalance view of psychiatry is accepted by mainstream, evidence based psychiatrists. It doesn't really matter whether you were born with a tendency towards mental illness (which I was), or you have a PTSD episode after a tragic event, or some other psychological stimuli from the environment pushes against you, you still have a very real condition.And these very real conditions, have been proven at least since the very early days of OCD research. PET scans clearly illustrated activity in brain regions; whether SSRIs were used, or SSRIs and psychological treatment, usually CBT, or CBT alone, the differences became dramatic.
An organic disorder, such as a pheochromocytoma can also present itself with psychiatric manifestations. They're still affecting the same pathways and the same neurotransmitter system. And besides surgical and chemotherapeutic treatment of a tumor if feasible, certain psychiatric medications can make a person with an organic disorder that precipitates a psychiatric manifestation more functional, just as any of the other above scenarios. It doesn't mean it changes the origin, but maybe it can give someone the years they have a better feeling.
So one can believe or not what they want to believe about Breggin, but I can say for my -own- opinion that he is -potentially- a misleading risk for those who desperately need treatment.http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/breggin.html
Sure, he has a medical license in New York -- there are lots of doctors out there.
He was an "expert testifier" regarding Luvox and the Columbine killings and I believe did a disservice and distortion to testify for a survivor of the incident, which I do not blame for his grief and anger, but the gunmen (kids, really), could have taken any SSRI, and frankly could also have done this entirely on their own because of an undetected psychosis spectrum disorder.
Thus, Luvox fell off the earth eventually and became generic. I haven't heard of a lot of people who took fluvoxamine maleate go on double digit shooting sprees.
Of course tort was bound to come out after Columbine because each and every person wanted their /closure/, a concept that I don't really believe in because you will never really forget something, it just has to heal and it remains. I'm not trying to be indignant of the memories of the kids of Columbine.
I just think it was another opportune place for an "expert" who has his own journal and few publications compared to other professional society journals to sweep in.
Fluvoxamine still remains on the market and has been proven to be a pretty good agent for OCD as it was marketed, although other SSRIs are good in their own right.
Breggin admitted some ties in the past to Scient*l*gy (not going to go there because we're not allowed to since despite seizures of tons of tax evasion evidence and other FBI actions in the past they are a 501 (c) 'religion'...)
To each their own as has been said.
And I feel my own constriction here on the board because I have to tiptoe around things on a "medication" board which really should, with a healthy skepticism I fully agree, be devoted to people's experiences with their medication, which of course is different for everyone who takes a particular one.
Instead I see an increasing amount of topics that should really be debated on the alternative board and a bit of what I have to say, whether my tongue is tied by civility or not, anti-psychiatry.
-- tidings
-- Jay
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