Posted by JadeKelly on November 28, 2008, at 12:07:00
In reply to Re: no stims/no benz BEST NARDIL AUGMENTION d/r » JadeKelly, posted by that_guy23 on November 27, 2008, at 16:35:20
Hi Shawn!
Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving. Sometimes its hard to not be obsessive about finding relief when you feel like we do. Yeah, what you described is exactly what happeneded to me. But, I don't think your increase or my ht crises are what stopped the great feeling we both got for week or two. Everyone I've talked to and what I've researched on my own says that that was initial rush of NE/epinephrine that is expected to go away. It comes back when you get dose increase but just for couple days. When you get to "your" dose you will feel the real A/D effect. I would think you've been at 75mg long enough (too long?) that you could go to 90mg and see what happens. If in couple weeks on 90mg doesn't do it, def augment. Find best Nardil augment for your "type" depression/anxiety and go from there.
>You see my point, and don't just disregard it. On other forums, and probably here to, there are allot of people that have been there so long, I guess they figure there always right, but you have to take into account taht everybody's body/brain acts differently. Whether it reacts slower to the drugs or faster, stuff like that.You remind me so much of my nephew (I had to note you, also, are close to your aunt!). If I can help you sort through some things while you go out and get the life you deserve, I 'm happy to be of service!
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> Since right now I'm just getting through it all with the nardil and clonazepam, which isn't high enough at 1mg 3x a day, but she won't up it or change it. anyway, I think your great to talk to and find not only you give me ideas, or push me towards persuing my own, but just the chats alone help me feel better.This is just my opinion Shawn, but I'd rather see you on Ritalin 5mg 3xday, than add anymore benz (clonazapam). Btw-That's great you feel that way! Its difficult for people to understand if they havn't been there, don't you think?
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> As for the pdoc., I don't really care about what she thinks of it, but I don't have alot of options where I live, in Newfoundland. A couple of people had mentioned to my mother, about the one that they called the drug pusher, but he could end up being the best one, and there's another, in my area, and I don't know much about them. There's 4 doctors in that town, which I have to travel an hour east to get to, one of them is not taking patients, that leaves the one I've got and the other 2. I'm just worried becuase doctors come and go here, and thats why it's such a hard decision. But I have to suck it up, and move on if she doesn't help.I would have to agree, that stinks tho that you have so few options. Were you serious that your Mom will handle your meds, especially if you get a stim? Will it put a strain on your relationship? If she's willing, maybe take her to your first appt. so that everyone knows whats what and you're getting some much needed relief. The only thing about an augment (other than ritalin) is that you'll likely have to wait for THAT to kick in also. That new PDoc scares me a little, but if your Mom is in on it, and wants to dispense Ritalin 3xday, you won't be stuck, which is what you are!
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> You mentioned how increasing my dose and getting a non-addictive agument will help, yes thats what I'm looking for, although I still keep ritalin in my mind because, it help's The hypotension side effects, as well as sexuall side effects, Which really suck, But not just that, I feel it would be one of the best augmentors, and as far as abusing goes, my mother feel's more comfortable controling the drugs, so I would only get the dosage I am supposed to. Thats fine with me. As well it is supposed to be like cocaine, if you just over use it, it makes you more depressed, and I have this in my mind, and also one thing I can say about myself is, I have allot of will power, if I started feeling better thats all I would want.Anything else, Shawn and you'll just be kidding yourself. But I think you're to the point where you know that! So, sounds like an augment, or small dose ritalin, (I took 5mg 3x day, long time ago for ADD, never caused any problem, had no trouble stopping it).
In saying that, any good nardil aumentation would be excellent right now! Back to the part of the addictive drugs. If the drugs are addictive and they are, I have read of people taking adderal xr and ritalin at the same time. Now if they didn't have a drug addiction before, they will still get addicted to this drug. And I know of that guy on another site, he takes the adderal xr, and klonopin for his SA, so I'm guessing he's been taking tose 2 addictive drugs for quite a while, and ritalin! He says it helps him amazingly, and he really does have allot of drug knowledge. I think he'e a pharmacist's helper or something like that.I don't think I know him but PLEASE DON'T DO THAT!For someone who's had an addiction problem, that type of medicating, for you, I think could lead to a depression you may not be able to get out of. Think about it, sure, it would help us all to jump on a bunch of amphemine type drugs, we'd feel great, until.....
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> As far as seeing my pdoc. just for the talks, it woulden't work. As soon as I'm refered to anther pdoc, I lose her alltogether, or maybe it's once I have my first appt. I'm not 100% sure. Either way that would be a no go.This is your decision. It seems as tho your stuck, not moving back, but not forward, either. IMHO, you need more help right now than she's (Doc) willing to give. You've been on 75mg a while. Talk to your Mom or Aunt. You'll figure out whats most important for now, to keep you motivated.
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> Haha, lol, Yep I'm gonna pick my dream girl up, in my new car or truck on The day I get my license back, I think she'll be caught in the rain. It is funny though that you said that, unless I mentioned it, but I was thinking that hopefully by next summer I'll be feeling better, and thought once I have a way of getting around, it's time to look for a girl, one that has those beautiful eyes, and makes your heart skip a beat.
> But unlike the one's in the past that were hadcore partiers like me, she'll be reserved, and quite, and we can just drive where ever the car takes us.lol.Sounds golden! A plan worth working hard for!
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> You like Clapton do you? Did you know that "Tears In Heaven" was wrote about/for his 4 year old son who fell out of a 53rd story building in his mothers friends condo and died. That made that song have so much more meaning to me. And like you said with the amazing guitarist he is. It must have took allot of courage to write and perform that song. It is one of my favourites as well.My kids were a lot smaller when he wrote that, and yes I knew about his son. Just heart breaking. I really felt for him, anyone who loses a child. It is the worst he*l.
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> The CBT, yes I am doing the journal, but as far as exposures go I'm not quite there yet. Don't get me wrong, I do beleive that cbt can work, and teach ways in how to stay in remission, but I just feel a little boost from some meds. may have to be there. As you said, about you feel strong potent drugs is the best answer for you, or something like that, well I feel the same way. I will continue the cbt, maybe i'm wrong, but I don't think so. She is there to talk to, at least, which helps. And I'll just take my time with the CBT.
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> My family, were always against drugs, but through allot of explanation, and them seeing me miserable, there coming around. As far as my pdoc. My mother really wanted me stick with this one. But After she has seen that since the nardil started, I didn't get along with pdoc., and this hadn't happened before, she doesn't really say, but I think she wants me to do whats best, otherwise she'd say something. She really didn't want me to end up with the so called drug pusher, they make him sound like he should be on some street corner. I think i'ts exageration, My father never did like my psychiatrist, he thought she was unprofessional after he went in and seen her dogs walking around, she does this for the kids she says. But he would find fault in any of them, he's really not a beleiver of all this drugs and therapy, but he does support me, and brings me there when ever I need him to. I also have an aunt, she is a big part of my life, and I talk to her all of the time about this, she wants me to wait it out and stay with my pdoc. or she did, It seems like all of them are seeing that I have more down days than usuall, becuase in there eyes I was pretty much cured, I wasn't, but I kept my spirits up and thats what the seen. So now they just say, well give it one more session and see how it goes, thats my plan. This is in 2 weeks, and I see other pdoc. for cbt next friday, so this can weigh in. They tell me that if I do get the pdoc. thats known to give out drugs easily, use your knowledge, becaue I have did allot of reserach on most A/D's, especially nardil, since I went it, and I feel that I would know, for the most part, what would help me if not, more research. I called today to all pdocs. secretaries, and for drug pusher I can prbably get set up for an appointment, as soon as she gets a refferal, which I have to see my GP for, which should only take 2 weeks, she'll call me to set me up for an appt. It was funny though, when she answered, I said I wanted to inquire about bcoming a patient, and she said, "what, you need methadone". I was like maybe they do like there drugs.lol. The other one said just send a refferal, and we'll see from there.Again, I geuss thats a decision you should make with your family. Explain that you feel desperate at times. Explain it carefully. But I WOULD suggest that your Mom, or someone be involved if you choose "the pusher". Protect you from yourself till A/D starts working.
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> question: If I send a refferal, will I lose my pdoc. right away?Not sure. So many privacy laws, etc. I would think he could refer you just as you are and (at your request) NOT to forward records to what ever Doc you want (or don't want). Or even to old PDoc. Just don't know, geuss you could just ask (generically) about privacy laws, as requested by patient.
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> Well once again, thank you very much for seeing me through this hell. Remember I wanna help you in any way too. So I wanna hear more on jades journey next time as well.I may have mentioned, just went up to 40mg Parnate, was on 30mg, and got "the rush" of extra normal happiness, but felt off last night being around so many people. We'll see today! Have the feeling not to the A/D part yet, but soon! Cross your fingures! haha.
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Your friend, Jade
your friend,
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