Posted by worriedgf on June 25, 2008, at 23:39:41
In reply to Re: Celexa and MJ - do they cancel out?, posted by bleauberry on June 25, 2008, at 18:46:05
> I was a chronic smoker for many years, even while on various psychiatric meds. I felt MJ was a better antidepressant than the drugs.
SEE I HAD READ THAT IT IS A NATURAL DEPRESSANT...WHAT EXACTLY IS IT lol.
When I decided to quit, I weaned off it very slowly and methodically, just like a med, over a 3 month period.
> WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO QUIT?
> Key points to think about, based on my own experience:
> *While creativity in music is indeed enhanced a lot during short term or intermittent use of MJ, it is actually dampened badly in the longterm. You record yourself playing something amazing, and then later listen to it while straight and realize the recording was pretty lousy and you wonder what you ever saw in it. The guitar playing never was actually divinely creative, it was only the twisted perception of the the player that made it seem like it was at the time.THIS IS TRUE, BUT I THINK SO FAR HE'S BEEN PLEASED WITH WHAT HE'S PLAYING...NOT SURE IF HE'S DOING ANY RECORDING THOUGH. AGAIN, YET ANOTHER THING I'LL FIND OUT WHEN I SEE HIM MORE OFTEN LOL
> *Chronic use has been associated with the development of new psychiatric symptoms that did not previously exist, such as eventual renewal of depression, drug poopout, schizophrenia, paranoia, and anxiety.
I'LL KEEP AN EYE ON ANY SIGNS OF CHANGE, THANKS :)> *Living paycheck to paycheck as you said is made ten times worse with chronic MJ usage, as it is expensive. Take that expense out of your budget and you'll find a lot of extra free money to spend on clothes and restaurants or whatever. The biggest out-of-pocket expense for MJ, other than buying it all the time, is making bail to get out of jail...if you are living paycheck to paycheck, forget it, bail is too high, he's staying in jail because you can't raise the funds to get him out.
HE GETS HIS MJ FOR FREE...I GUESS LUCKY HIM! (ugh lol) SO YEA, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I COULD USE AS AN EXCUSE, APPARENTLY HE GETS IT FOR FREE FROM A FRIEND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH FRIEND.
> *There is no way to know what the crop of MJ is contaminated with...pesticides, insecticides, fertilizers, or the health of the soil.
I HAVE NO IDEA EITHER, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I READ THAT THERE ARE LIKE 160 OTHER CHEMICALS IN MARIJUANA OTHER THAN THC...I MAY NOT BE REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY SO DON'T SUE ME lol
> *Lots of people have no choice but to quit smoking MJ when they hear the knock of a police officer at the door with a search warrant. Suddenly with hand cuffs on, in the backseat of a squad car, and locked in a cement cell behind steel bars, it is kind of hard to play guitar, get creative on guitar, make love with girlfriend, go to work, pay bills, get celexa, get any kind of psychiatric care, or anything. Basically life as you know it comes to a screeching halt. No weaning, just pure sudden withdrawal.I HOPE NOTHING LIKE THAT ENDS UP HAPPENING TO HIM...I'D RATHER HIS PARENTS FIND OUT THAN THE COPS, BUT HE CLAIMS THE JAILS ARE TOO FULL AND THAT THE WORST HE CAN GET IS A TICKET...I THOUGHT OK THEN I MIGHT ANONYMOUSLY CALL THE COPS AND TIP THEM OFF...BUT THIS IS ALL IN THEORY, I DON'T THINK I COULD EVER DO THAT TO HIM. (we'll see how far he pushes me though LOL)
Been there done that. Just keep in mind, no matter how careful he is, no matter how safe it seems, sooner or later something is going to go wrong. It is just a matter of time. Might be next week, might be next year, might be in 5 years.
> I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR HIM TO QUIT...I THINK HE WON'T QUIT UNLESS SOMETHING GOES WRONG, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT THIS IS JUST MY OBSERVATIONS FROM LIKE A WEEK...I HAVE NO IDEA HOW HE REALLY IS ABOUT HIS SMOKING OR HOW OFTEN OR HIS REASONS...ALL THINGS I'LL FIND OUT SOON.
> Some people grow their own, so there is control over contamination and expense and quality. But the jail factor takes on heavier weight.
> I KNOW HE DOESN'T GROW HIS OWN...AT LEAST NOT AT HIS HOUSE.....HMMMMM> Take it from a longtime user...the reward is not high enough to justify the risk.
>I WISH SOMEONE COULD TELL HIM THAT, OR THAT HE'D EVEN LISTEN TO REASON, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF HE'D LISTEN TO REASON OR NOT, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT MUCH...THIS IS SOMETHING I FEEL I NEED TO DISCUSS WITH HIM FACE TO FACE NOT JUST OVER THE TELEPHONE. I WANT HIM TO SEE HOW SERIOUS I AM AND HOW IT AFFECTS ME AND I WANT TO SEE HIM REACTIONS AND ATTITUDE.
> If he truly loves you, he will quit if you give him a stern choice...either he quits or you leave him. If he chooses to keep smoking, then you know where you really stand in this relationship...lower than a dried up piece of plant.THAT'S MY WORST FEAR, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IF HE PUTS ME AFTER THAT DRIED UP PIECE OF PLANT AS YOU PUT IT, THEN I DON'T NEED TO STAY IN THAT PLACE. I DESERVE TO BE ABOVE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS...BELOW FAMILY I CAN UNDERSTAND, BUT NOT BELOW DRUGS FOR SURE!
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> Forget the celexa connection. Just get him off MJ before unseen damage to his mind, his body, his future, his freedom, his guitar playing, are too late to reverse. Not to mention the damage to your life. The lives of those around a chronic user are usually impacted more than the user himself.THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR POST :)
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