Posted by linkadge on September 16, 2007, at 21:26:06
In reply to Re: placebo vs. antidepressant-linkadge, posted by jhj on September 16, 2007, at 2:17:49
>I am not suggesting you are saying any >unintelligent thing.
I never suggested you were. I was simply suggesting that one needn't be unintelligent to experience a placebo effect.
>i am saying that you think those posters who >claim that they have benefited by use of >Antidepresants are naive and unintelligent.
Again, thats not what I said. I am saying that smart people can experience a placebo effect, and that responce to a placebo is independant of intellegence.
>You are saying 7 out of 10 people who say they >have improved despite being given only dummy >pill can be misled easily.I am saying that in a good portion of clinical trials placebo responce matches active drug responce, and that those who have studied placebo effect in depth have concluded that there is no general relationship between susceptability to placebo effect and intellegence or lack thereof.
>So,i think i should assume fake identity of a >psychiatrist and start distributing dummy pills >to patients of depression and i can be as >successful as qualified pdoctors because the >improvement reported by their patient would not >be better then those of mine.
I didn't say that, but I would contend to the notion that if doctors started to dispence active placebos that their patients would experience roughly the same rate of responce as if their patients were given active drugs. I also believe that the sum of clinical trial data (were it fully available) would probably support that view.
>You always *personally* think that those >sites,links,articles and studies quoted which go >against your point of view are highly biased and >those supporting your view point are decent and >unbiased.
If you say so.
>I am not saying you are saying anything >illogical.I am merely saying that my level is >not high enough to understand the logic.
Well for starters, if my points were complete nonsense then this threat would not have lasted this long. There are a considerable number of holes to conventional theories and the accompanying support of the modern day "well wishing" drug company.
It am not trying to necessarily prove a point as much as I am going to pose counterexamples to certain ideas.
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