Posted by liliths on November 17, 2006, at 15:02:26
In reply to Re: HELP! Need Documentation on opiates depressio, posted by aeon on November 17, 2006, at 4:57:54
thank you aeon & Tom Twilight. I think I did see that site.
As for naughtypuppy, well, since you probably haven't had that kind of response to opiods, I suppose it's easy to think that we're just getting "high" – and I agree that's a purely subjective word anyway. But I assume you're using it to mean 'escape' rather than 'live'
Many of us DO, in fact, feel a reprieve from our depression when augmenting with these drugs. I am more focused, slightly energized and simply more willing to be alive. The kind of stuff I suppose regular people take for granted.
I'm very fortunate as I've pretty much used the same dose for years (hydrocodone - total 10-15mg a day, taken in divided doses). And I've gone off it without any problems as well.
Unfortunately, pain medication is treated as a taboo in our society, whether it's used for pain OR depression.
If it helps your depression, anxiety, or whatever it is that's running your life, then why split hairs? All this stigma and judgement. I guess you'd just have to experience it to understand
I have considered asking my pdoc about Buprenorphine as I'm concerned about all the dirty stuff in my meds affecting my liver. But honestly I worry about the long term effects of being on any meds anyway. Though I don't see an alternative, not one that includes staying alive... sigh.
thanks again for your help. There is a lot of documentation out there but I know there used to be a number of people here using them and thought it was worth a shot.
namaste,
lilith> There was something on Hedweb let me find it...
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> http://www.opioids.com/
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> If you move around this site there's heaps of stuff on opiates. I can't find it a t the minute but somewhere on there it says that for some people opiates are the ONLY thing that gets rid of their depression.
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> I used codeine for a time and it was a good antidepressant but tolerance builds FAST and you need more and more, and when it wears off you're just a headcase, so irritable you can';t even be a member of the human race, just have to hide away for a few days seething inside with these horrible flu like symptoms. Don't recommend it really.
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> I wish they would work on a long lasting opioid that didn't cause tolerance, I'd take it for sure.
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> > Probably because it's not an antidepressant. You're high, that's why you feel better.
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> What is the difference between something that makes you "high" (pejorative term) and something that stops you from feeling depressed?
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> Surely the polar opposit of depression is being High i.e. happy!
> Just because something makes you happy doesn't mean its nessecerilly bad!
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> Its just unfortunate most euphoriants we have have such horrible side effects.
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> The idea that anti depressants can't make you happy has led to the widespread use of horrible things like SSRIs
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> Sorry for slight rant, regarding Opiates Hedweb is a good suggestion.
> I've heard of people having long term success on Buprenorphine for depression.
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> Its a pity JahL doesn't post much any more, he was interested in Opiates for depression.
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> He had some success on Methadone
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