Posted by TommyIsland on November 28, 2004, at 20:13:51
In reply to Re: Meds for Obsessional Thoughts, posted by tom_traubert on November 28, 2004, at 16:13:16
> Wanted to be more specific on one more thing. You wrote that for the things that make us happy you want to "prove that there just fabricated ideas and emotions that can be changed as quickly as they can be broken down and challenged." From my experience, with statements from my own thinking about the same topic, I know the one word in there that is the killer, the one that is driving you nuts, the word that has plagued me and fooled me: JUST. It is impossible for anything to be just one thing, to have just one motivation for action, to have just one feeling about anything. It is another search for absolute certainty.
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> One of the criticisms I would have is that with anything I enjoy doing, like reading, or listening to music, the OCD would come in and say that "youre just doing this because you want to fill your time, and you need to feel smart. you're just trying to make up for what the ocd has taken away. you don't like these things." and I'd believe it enought to limit myself from enjoying things. it would work me into arguing and defending myself and make me nuts.
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> The point of that word is to make everything pointless by locking it into a useless framework of logic but it's just not true.
Thanks so much Tom for this excellent information you are providing. It is actually very comforting to know that other people out there such as yourself experience similiar Obsessive thought patterns like the one's I am battling internally and I'm not an isolated case. It really is very difficult to describe the thought processes........even to a psychiatrist or psychologist. I have tried a few times in the past and they seem to dismiss them quickly and move on to more general ways of coping with my depression, etc. I don't understand why I can't just find a doctor who understands that he has to listen to me EXACTLY and work from there. It is the Obsessions that need to be addressed because I truly feel that they are the cause of Depression. Do you agree? Do you feel that much of your depression and anxiety are a direct result of the Obsessions? I mean what came first the chicken or the egg? Do u feel that your mental state of mind improves dramatically if u learn how to deal with the Obsessions and regain control? Where does this science seem to think this problem originates? Is it a learned way of thinking or a genetic response or is it brought on by environmental stress from childhood or is it a possible combo all of them? From the first onset ever of depression I can remember when I was 15 years old, I can remember the Obsessive thoughts. ALWAYS! I was always stuck in my mind analyzing and obsessing. I can truly say that the Obsessions were there from the very beginning of all my mental hardships. With them came depression, anxiety, paranoia and whatever other trait I could have inspired to jump on board. How long have u been dealing with this if u don't mind and how has your progress been? Do u feel that books and self educating has helped u the most or CBT with a therapist has given u your greatest breakthroughs of success? Thanks again Tom and I hope to hear from u soon!
Thanks,
Tommy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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