Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 11, 2003, at 15:03:50
In reply to Ame, Valerian/Other Remedies/DIY Herbal Extracts, posted by McPac on August 11, 2003, at 12:46:50
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Ame!!
No problem. :-)
> So these two Formulas above are the two to be taken in combination for depression, correct?
(Just curious, would either possibly work by itself? Is the Good Mood Tonic one likely better (of the two) for depression (noticed it has St. John's Wort in it)?The Good Mood Tonic is much more specifically aimed at depression and anxiety. As you noted, it contains St. John's wort (35% of the formula is the SJW extract), which is of course a fabulous antidepressant, as shown time and time again by clinical studies. And the SJW extract used in this particular product is *extremely* high quality and and much higher in hypericins, the primary active chemicals, than any other product I've personally seen. Prickly ash bark (10% of the product) possesses stimulant, tonic, and alterative properties, which make it sort of an adaptogen. Skullcap, which accounts for 25% of the liquid, and ashwagandha, which accounts for 30% of it, are both excellent for anxious states. In fact, some people (myself included) occasionally smoke skullcap or drink skullcap tea as a milder alternative to marijuana. Ashwagandha possesses anti-inflammatory, antitumor, antistress, antioxidant, mind-boosting, and rejuvenating properties. It also is a great adaptogen. As with the St. John's wort in this product, all three of the other extracts are of the highest quality and contain a precise therapeutic amount of their respective active constituents. Here's a list of the active chemicals in each herb -- the ones that are most active in treating depression and anxiety I've marked with an asterisk:
St. John's wort: (+)-epicatechin, brenzcatechin, cadinene, carotenoids, caryophyllene, ceryl-alcohol, chlorophyll, choline*, cineole, cis-trollixanthin, emodinanthranol, epicatechin, flavonoids, gurjunene, hyperforin*, hypericins*, hypericodihydroanthrone*, hyperin*, hyperoside*, imanin, isohypericin*, isoquercitrin, isovaleric-acid-ester*, limonene, lutein, luteoxanthin, mannitol, methyl-2-octane, myrcene, myristic-acid*, n-decanal, n-nonane, n-octanol, novoimanin, palmitic-acid, pectin, phlobaphene, phloroglucinol, pinene, protohypericin*, protopseudohypericin*, provitamin-a, pseudohypericin*, pseudohypericodihydroanthrone*, pyrogallol, quercetin, quercetrin, resorcynol, rutin, saponin, sitosterol, stearic-acid, trollichrome, violaxanthin
Prickly ash bark: fagarine*, magnoflorine*, laurifoline*, nitidine*, chelerythrine*, tambetarine*, candicine*, xanthyletin, zanthoxyletin, and alloxanthyletin
Skullcap: 2-methyl-alkanes, 3,9-dimethyl-alkanes, 3-methyl-alkanes, beta-carotene, lignin, n-hentriacontane, n-nonacosane, n-pentatriacontane, n-tritriacontane, niacin*, riboflavin*, scutellarin*, and thiamin*
Ashwagandha: 3-tropyltigloate, 3-alpha-tigloyoxytropane, anaferine*, anahygrine*, beta-sitosterol, choline*, cuscohygrine*, ducitol, hentriacontane, ipuranol, isopelletierine, nicotine (don't worry, it's a very minute amount), pseudotropine*, somniferine*, tropine*, visamine, withanine*, withaniol*, and withasomine*
> I can take the two in combo, no problem, it's just that I'm taking so many supplements right now that I feel like I'm taking too much....and I'm on Remeron also (the anti-dep. that seems to pack such a MILD punch, lol....and very low-dose lithium)
You may want to just start off with the Good Mood Tonic. The Master Formula is purely adaptogenic, so its main purpose would be to "fine-tune" if the Good Mood Tonic isn't quite enough.
> "(if you're interested in homeopathy, I'd need your exact symptoms to suggest the correct remedy -- the remedies are very highly specialized)".
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> >>>>>>>>>> Okay Ame, my symptoms, here goes: DEPRESSION---the very low spirits, lethargic, unmotivated, sad depression....definitely could use a "happy, spirits-lifting boost, with motivation, energy"......ANXIETY---(I have ocd), definitely could use a "mellowing, calming, relaxing, quiet the mind-chatter-type of formula".....a mood-stabilizing type of ingredient would also be nice.....and something for this symptom (kind of hard to explain)--- fearfulness (I've been tested and my copper levels were high...read a lot on one site where high copper causes fearfulness in people...I have gotten my copper level lowered, which does appear to help....the fearfulness feeling is not a constant 24/7 feeling, it comes and goes but I usually feel it worse in the morning lately (used to be worse years ago at night)....it is NOT a fear of certain things like snakes, heights, crowds, rather it is a fearful FEELING inside (it SUCKS)....don't know if that explains it good or not for you......can you please suggest a formula for these symptoms (if I had to take more than one formula for these symptoms, that's fine!!! (I'd like to start cutting back on some of my other natural supps that don't seem to be making much of a difference anyway).......I would GREATLY, GREATLY appreciate your suggestions on the best possible formula(s) for these symptoms Ame....money is not an object...I just want the best formula(s) to do the job well! Thank you Ame!!!!!!!! (Ask as many questions as you need to also, if it helps you create the BEST formula(s)!Well, it's great that you were so specific -- I can certainly come up with some homeopathic ideas that will suit your symptoms perfectly. I'll post those shortly -- I just need to consult my literature on the subject (homeopathy is an extremely exact science).
Once again, you're quite welcome, and if these suggestions don't end up working, I'm more than happy to keep working with you until we find some that do. You can click on my name at the top of this post to e-mail me anytime, if you'd like. :-)
Michael
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