Posted by Elizabeth on February 2, 2002, at 11:09:15
In reply to Re: agree but people abuse Xanax- Jeb Bush daughter » 3 Beer Effect, posted by MB on January 30, 2002, at 3:48:51
I agree that the idea of abusing Klonopin is just plain weird. Different people have different responses to drugs, but my experience (from talking to lots of people who've taken Klonopin, that is) has been that most people really don't get a kick out of Klonopin. There are some people who seem to like Xanax, although personally I don't find it any different than Klonopin in that respect.
I think it's pretty sad when people go to extreme measures like faking scripts (a pretty serious offense, BTW) just to get benzos (even people who are the president's niece and probably will not get in any real trouble -- no names :) ).
> If you are going to go to this risky extreme you would think that she would atleast order something more "fun" like Percodan or Diladiud (the two strongest morphine derivatives- Oxycodone & Hydromorphone),
You forgot oxymorphone (NuMorphan) -- seldom prescribed, but I've heard it described (by someone who would know) as being the best of all the opioids, "better than heroin" (some say the same of Dilaudid, of course, but most of those probably haven't tried NuMorphan since it's not used much). But these are much more closely monitored because they're Schedule II. A script for Dilaudid or NuMorphan would pretty much instantly provoke most pharmacists to call the doctor. Trying to fake a script is stupid, but trying to fake a Xanax script isn't nearly as stupid as trying to fake a Dilaudid script. (Percocet is more commonly prescribed to outpatients and probably wouldn't earn the double take from the pharmacist.)
BTW, a lot of people (the majority, I think) don't like opioids -- their reaction is either indifferent or dysphoric. Probably among these are some who enjoy Xanax (recreationally, that is). If one of these was going to fake a script, I'd expect it to be for Xanax rather than for Percocet.
> > The press seems to think benzos are all identical to Rohypnol & evil.
Oh jeez. Flunitrazepam is Just Another Benzo. It's not exceptionally dangerous or anything. As the stories involving Klonopin have shown, any benzo can knock out a person who's not tolerant, particularly when mixed with alcohol. (Keep an eye on your drinks, people!)
> > The newspaper article about Jeb Bush's daughter says that Xanax is a drug "that has a heroin-like effect of slowing down the brain!!!"
That's funny, because I've taken morphine and it feels mildly "speedy" to me (although not as speedy as buprenorphine), whereas benzos are strictly calming/sedating. Anyway, their effect is certainly not "heroin-like," by any standard -- except the standard of an ignorant person.
> I fucking hate Ativan. Every time I take that crap, I dissociate. Just goes to show that all benzos are diferent and they react differently in each person. It's weird that Valium used to be the devil and now Xanax is the devil.
Valium was prescribed on a massive scale in its time, and it got a very bad rep since some people did abuse it. The drug companies claimed that benzos would not be "addictive" like their predecessors, the barbiturates. Similarly, Xanax was initially touted as being a "non-addictive" benzo, and when it was heavily prescribed in the early '80s there was a big backlash when it turned out that some people were abusing it.
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