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Posted by cashy72 on May 30, 2006, at 6:53:30
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by jules354 on May 30, 2006, at 0:27:39
Hi there Musky/Jules/JohnnyJ,
I think your all doing brilliantly... hang in there, the longer without the remeron, the better it gets... i'm now nearly 4 weeks since my last dose, and although the 2nd and 3rd weeks were tough, very irritable/agitated etc. it seems too be getting easier in the last 3 or 4 days. I'm well into the plenty of water theory, peppermint tea, etc. I've had no coffee in over 10days, and that seems too of helped quite a bit. Sleep is still quite difficult, i manage about 3-4 hours, and am then wide awake with thoughts racing through my head... i guess as time goes by this will ease...
Hang in everybody, and thanks for this thread too give eachother some support etc.
Take it easy.
Cashy72
Posted by jules354 on May 30, 2006, at 11:59:33
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by cashy72 on May 30, 2006, at 6:53:30
hey cashy72, glad to hear things are going OK...sorry the sleep is still hard though. i hope it gets better soon.
take care,
jules
Posted by johnnyj on May 30, 2006, at 17:18:27
In reply to OFF Remeron, posted by musky on May 29, 2006, at 23:58:57
Well, this day 6 off or remeron and I need some sleep. Feeling it not too bad but not great either. I am taking advil for the head stuff and it feels rather heavy right now. I expcet another few weeks of this and then hopefully a break. Nausea is really bad at times. I just feel like throwing up. I try to eat something when I feel like that and it helps some. Hope I can get a better nights sleep tonight.
Withdrawal sucks and the makers of remeron are bastards.
Posted by musky on May 31, 2006, at 0:35:17
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by jules354 on May 30, 2006, at 0:27:39
> Thanks... I just sent another post to you, check earlier in the thread...it was one u sent to jenico..
Musky
hi musky,
>
> i think the restless sleep and the tingly and hot feelings are all to be expected...let us know how it's going and good luck!
>
> take care,
> jules
Posted by musky on May 31, 2006, at 0:43:11
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by cashy72 on May 30, 2006, at 6:53:30
>
Hi Cashy... good to hear you are hangin in...
I just sent a post asking jules if he knew if anything about if remeron permanently damages receptors in the brain... I guees Im a little worried ... seems you guys are fine so far... I just hope I wasnt on it too long and that my own brain will not function.
Sorry I was a little more down today... Day 6 off remeron... but I managed with my survival kit of natural healthy stuff.
Mood has been Ok until today, day 6.. but I know this is to be expected and I am hangin in... reminding myself that each hour/day that goes by is healing for me... I have to believe that.
Funny how ones mind starts to wonder when you feel this way... at least thats the way I seem to think... I have to remember that I have so much more tools to use now to combat my emotional stuff,, just got to BElieve it..
Sorry to ramble..
trying to cut back on caffiene(I only drink tea), and have more herbal teas at night. Also I take calcium/magnesium supplements and that is supposed to help with sleep as well.Musky
Hi there Musky/Jules/JohnnyJ,
> I think your all doing brilliantly... hang in there, the longer without the remeron, the better it gets... i'm now nearly 4 weeks since my last dose, and although the 2nd and 3rd weeks were tough, very irritable/agitated etc. it seems too be getting easier in the last 3 or 4 days. I'm well into the plenty of water theory, peppermint tea, etc. I've had no coffee in over 10days, and that seems too of helped quite a bit. Sleep is still quite difficult, i manage about 3-4 hours, and am then wide awake with thoughts racing through my head... i guess as time goes by this will ease...
> Hang in everybody, and thanks for this thread too give eachother some support etc.
> Take it easy.
> Cashy72
Posted by musky on May 31, 2006, at 0:53:27
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron » musky, posted by johnnyj on May 30, 2006, at 17:18:27
>Hang in there JOhnny..
Im kinda starting to feel w/d more now too at day 6... mostly some headaches. In the morning Im waking up with a clearer head,, but I feel more anxious thoughts ... then my mood dropped today more than the first 5 days OFF.. some nausea, but not too bad... I find if it does get bad, in the past gingerale really works!!! try this for your nausea. Best to take it flat if you can(no bubbles)... Ive stocked up on it in case I get more nausea.. So far my appetite has been pretty good,,, been tring to eat healthy.
Im just trying to keep distracted from my fears, thoughts.. and try to pay attention to those posts like cashy, jules that are doing better in time... gives me hope..
Sorry to hear you are heavy headed... i havent had to take any Advil yet.... just exercising, stretching, etc.
I have acupuncture app . tomorrow,,, I will let him know about my down mood, and hopefully it will help as it did before when i was tapering.your right the makers of this drug are *ssholes.. and I wish I had never put this drug in my mouth...
OH ya I just remembered if you call heavy head , foggy brain then I guess I have it.. I like wandered around with a fuzzy brain All morning at work today... I just felt like I was in a dream state,..not connected to my body...
SH*T
keep posting ,,, it sure helps... with this support group.
Musky
Well, this day 6 off or remeron and I need some sleep. Feeling it not too bad but not great either. I am taking advil for the head stuff and it feels rather heavy right now. I expcet another few weeks of this and then hopefully a break. Nausea is really bad at times. I just feel like throwing up. I try to eat something when I feel like that and it helps some. Hope I can get a better nights sleep tonight.
>
> Withdrawal sucks and the makers of remeron are bastards.
Posted by musky on June 4, 2006, at 23:30:06
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by musky on May 31, 2006, at 0:53:27
Hi all
I think I spoke too soon about the physical part of w/d.... Was doing not too bad until today... Nausea and major headaches, tension in back of head and neck.. ALOT... took some advil for the first time.. trying to avoid all drugs as much as possible..
Also feeling tingly, dizzy, etc.. and balance kinda off. just not a great day today.. Real tired too.. I think the body is going through the w/d and trying to recover.
I have started milk thistle detox.. I know when i did this before the first week on it i got headaches.. so this could be part of it.
ALso VERY irritable today, and this wasnt bad before, so I think i am in the midst of this w/d and I hope it gets better. Still sleeping not too bad(Thank God for that at least).For the first time this aft. got some flu like stuff too, but that has passed this evening.. Starting to push the gingerale for the nausea..
Hope you all are doing ok
damn this stuff anyways... I just want to feel good and relaxed and not so tippy tense, etch..
This is day 11 OFF Remeron for me.
I might go back to acupuncture earlier than my scheduled appointment this Friday.. we/ll see how i feel tommorrow.
Musky
Posted by jules354 on June 5, 2006, at 10:33:34
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by musky on June 4, 2006, at 23:30:06
hi musky,
those are all symptoms i had...i found with the irritability and mood swings, remembering that it would eventually swing back up/down helped me get through it...hang in there...i hope it gets better v. v. soon! :)
take care,
jules
Posted by musky on June 5, 2006, at 21:02:59
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by jules354 on June 5, 2006, at 10:33:34
Thanks jules... I seem a bit better today.. still headaches, irritable but not quite as bad.. yesterday was the worse ive seen so far.and last night was the first night of real restless sleep and trouble to fall asleep.and I never had problems with sleep til then..I posted yesterday that my sleep was still ok, i think i spoke too soon (lol). Anyways, Im going for a swim tonight..that should help.
Day 12 OFF and hangin in!
Musky
hi musky,
>
> those are all symptoms i had...i found with the irritability and mood swings, remembering that it would eventually swing back up/down helped me get through it...hang in there...i hope it gets better v. v. soon! :)
>
> take care,
> jules
Posted by cashy72 on June 6, 2006, at 9:07:01
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron, posted by musky on June 5, 2006, at 21:02:59
Hey Musky/Jules/JJ
Good for you Musky, you hang in there mate.. All the symptoms you've been feeling are exactly what i've been through also.. keep pluggin away,and there is light at the the end of the tunnel. I'm now nearly 5 weeks off the Remeron, and the last week has been alot better i have too say. Still not the best nights sleep!but the irritibility/agitation are easier thank god.. Still feel abit crappy in the mornings but i'm hoping as time moves on this will get easier...
Hope your all doin' OK...
Keep smilin'!!
CASHY72.
Posted by johnnyj on June 6, 2006, at 11:54:03
In reply to Re: OFF Remeron » musky, posted by cashy72 on June 6, 2006, at 9:07:01
Well it is day 12 for me. I feel like crap. Starting feeling kind of depressed and I have a heavy head, nausea, balance problems, spaceiness. My ears and eyes are so sensitive. I don't have much anxiety but feel like someone beat my head with a bat. I am irritable and can't think entirely straight. God, do I need the 3.75? Is this W/D? Fatigue is overwhelming. I am just in a fog....
Posted by jules354 on June 6, 2006, at 16:21:52
In reply to Feeling rotten today » cashy72, posted by johnnyj on June 6, 2006, at 11:54:03
hi everyone,
johnnyj, cashy72, musky...i'm sorry things are hard and i hope they're much less rough very very soon. just wanted to pass along the observation that i think being off the remeron for almost 4 months has made it easier for emotions to flow through me...the drug helped my depression so much but i think it also had a dampening/dulling effect. i've been having a hard time lately bcs of just life events and i notice that when i cry, it's not that deep hellish pre-AD depression cry but more "normal" crying that then moves through me. on the remeron i very rarely was able to cry when things were hard. it's not that i was emotionless, but my ups and downs didn't always feel natural.
anyway, just in case this gives comfort to any of you...
take care,
jules
Posted by johnnyj on June 6, 2006, at 17:14:01
In reply to silver lining?, posted by jules354 on June 6, 2006, at 16:21:52
Sometimes I think it is W/D and sometimes I fear it is depression taking hold and not letting me go. It is impossible to know right now but it scares me. I know it is one day but it is so rough being zoned out. The loss of appetite does scare me but that is the nausea. I just feel all I need is one, just one, good nights sleep and things will start to turn for the better.
I am sleeping some but waking early and then I ruminate. I may just start getting up and going to the living room and putting on my head phones. The heavy head stuff is always worse when I feel down so there is some correlation between the two.
I don't want to feel great, just somewhat normal.
I need some prayers. I feel like crying today. Maybe that is what I need?Thanks Jules for giving me some hope. I hope everyone else is doing better than me right now.
johnnyj
Posted by musky on June 7, 2006, at 0:07:58
In reply to Feeling rotten today » cashy72, posted by johnnyj on June 6, 2006, at 11:54:03
>Hey johnny.. Hang in there man.. Im too feeling crappy.. I had an almost panic attack(first one in 2yrs) today but I got out of it.. thank God.. I just spaced right out while at work,, like my brain short circuited or something,, then I got the panic.. I just went into the washroom and did this "tapping" a form of acupressure the acupuncturist taught me and I warded off the attack. I also did some positive self talk too. Still nausea,, and agitation.. and some depresed mood all mixed into one.. I feel for ya, but we gotta both keep going >
ITs w/d you gotta believe that.. I too started thinking that maybe I really did need the Remeron but the quickly told myself NO!~!!! its just a crutch,, I lived mylife before without Remeron , so WHY Now?? NO I believe its W/D.
I cant concentrate either,, even now as I post I feel crappy... just gotta get through..
We.ve come this far,,, lets keep running the race
Im tire too,, and sleep is not good now... I have acupuncture Friday, and a massage tomorrow.. so I hope this helps .. I went swimming last night and it helped for some , i did feel better a couple hours after ,, but then all this came back. But at least I had some time of feeling not too bad last night.
Good luck
keep strong!
Musky
Well it is day 12 for me. I feel like crap. Starting feeling kind of depressed and I have a heavy head, nausea, balance problems, spaceiness. My ears and eyes are so sensitive. I don't have much anxiety but feel like someone beat my head with a bat. I am irritable and can't think entirely straight. God, do I need the 3.75? Is this W/D? Fatigue is overwhelming. I am just in a fog....
Posted by cashy72 on June 7, 2006, at 3:39:00
In reply to Feeling rotten today » cashy72, posted by johnnyj on June 6, 2006, at 11:54:03
Hey Musky, sorry too hear your feeling rotten, but take heart that in a week or so YOU WILL start too feel better, for sure. It's just the withdrawal i'm afraid, nothing you can do but TOUGH IT OUT. Drink loads of water, and keep busy.
Hang-in there, DON'T take 3.75, that will be taking a backward step...
Hope your feelin abit better today..
CASHY72.
Posted by cashy72 on June 7, 2006, at 3:42:59
In reply to Re: silver lining? » jules354, posted by johnnyj on June 6, 2006, at 17:14:01
Hey Johnny, sorry too hear you too are having a rough time, but things WILL get better, be strong.
Hope that you start too feel better real soon.
CASHY72
Posted by musky on June 8, 2006, at 0:15:20
In reply to Re: Feeling rotten today, posted by cashy72 on June 7, 2006, at 3:39:00
Thanks cash... no that wasnt me talking about the 3.75, i think it was johnnyj... he was on that dosage last... I was on 2mg last and dont worry I am not going to take it again... I will tough it out... because if you go back on it you will be forever trapped... I just erase THAT thought from my mind..
Actually feeling better today... after I had a massage.. anxiety alot better after that, much more calm in mind tonight and body.. and hardly any headaches.. so I gotta keep goingMusky
Hey Musky, sorry too hear your feeling rotten, but take heart that in a week or so YOU WILL start too feel better, for sure. It's just the withdrawal i'm afraid, nothing you can do but TOUGH IT OUT. Drink loads of water, and keep busy.
> Hang-in there, DON'T take 3.75, that will be taking a backward step...
> Hope your feelin abit better today..
> CASHY72.
>
Posted by musky on June 8, 2006, at 0:22:29
In reply to Re: silver lining?, posted by cashy72 on June 7, 2006, at 3:42:59
Hi all... johnny, jules cashy....
Today is day 14 for me OFF remeron... had a stressful sleep last night, but I just went through it... No meds for me man.to help me sleep.. just natural stuff.. the only thing I did take was one zantac last night cause my gingerale wasnt as effective as the nausea was real bad last night.. zantac is just a strong antacid sorta... otherwise i went back to my gingerale this am... I always get the anxiety more in the morning.. and those effects... I will tough it out... I said in another post tonight,,, better tonight... Had a massage this afternoon, and then I layed down for a nap and it was a very relaxing sleep!!! so that made up for last night. also better mood tonight and much more relaxed. I was getting alot of muscle tension/headaches yesterday and nausea.. So this gives me hope to keep at it... and hopefully I can get stronger to get through the next wave of w/d... which im sure is coming...But I am trying to stay positive.
Acupuncture is next on Friday. I'll do whatever it takes to stay clean!Musky
Posted by johnnyj on June 8, 2006, at 11:15:23
In reply to Re: silver lining?, posted by musky on June 8, 2006, at 0:22:29
Hey everyone, I feel real strange.
I woke up at 4, felt ok, slept fitfully for 1 hour and woke up feeling bad. More down than ups that is for sure. My head feels like it has been run over by a truck. If I move to quick I feel almost dizzy. At times, very nauseated followed by hunger. It is like my body cannot make up it’s mind . My chest will feel ok, then 30 minutes later all heavy. Please tell me you all have had some of these. I feel this is depressing me. I don’t know if I am feeling depressed or anxiety, just all weird. The fatigue is crushing. Tying my shoes took major effort this morning.
I also was very agitated and irritable this morning. I just wanted to scream. I yawn all of the time yet cannot sleep well. This is crazy. I don’t recall my depression having all of this crap. I sleep maybe 4 hours and if I am lucky 5 hours. I am starting to think my brain is damaged or something. How long did the nasty symptoms last for you all? The heavy, spongy, flu like head is terrible. I am trying to gut it out but fear I am being pushed into a depression by the W/D. After I stabilized on 3.75 I felt better than I had in a long time even though the withdrawal was brutal from 7.5 to 3.75. But, now, this is the worst……pray for me guys and gals. I wish someone could put me into a med induced coma for 2 months until this is over.
I am off for exactly 2 weeks now. I don’t know if I can take 2 more weeks of this but I DON”T want to take remeron poison anymore.
Jules, Cashy, Musky and anyone else have any words of encouragement?
Regards
johnnyj
Posted by jules354 on June 8, 2006, at 17:42:36
In reply to W/D is brutal, posted by johnnyj on June 8, 2006, at 11:15:23
johnnyj,
my heart goes out to you...
the w/d is brutal and you're not alone. the really nasty symptoms came and went for about 3-4 weeks, i think. i should have kept a journal but i'm not sure anymore. i never had problems sleeping so i'm certain that was the w/d. i had the dizziness, cold symptoms, sensitivity to sound, heavy head. hardly any appetite. crazy bad mood swings, no fun to be around (unless i had a touch of mania).
is your gardening still helping at all? sunlight...rest...moving your body, even if it's just walking...water...will all continue to help ease you through this. distraction helped me, too. i watched a lot of movies.
hang in there...i'm keeping you in my thoughts!!
take care
jules
Posted by musky on June 9, 2006, at 0:01:15
In reply to W/D is brutal, posted by johnnyj on June 8, 2006, at 11:15:23
Hi Johnny:Dont worry I have too experienced some of these strange episodes and others you have not mentioned.
Right now mine has been the mood stuff up and down.and also anxious thoughts... but then the las couple days the mood had been not as much intense feelings..But yet 2days ago I had an almost full panic attack which i never had problems with panic for about 2yrs now.. to me this suggest definitely w/d. I also get this out of reality waves and sponge brain off and on. Some days more than others. My sleep is broken now. Hopefull I can get some relief with acupuncture tomorrow.
Did you go to your acupucturist??? I had wicked headaches up until the other day, they have now seemed to have gotten better.
Flu like symptoms not really..
Alot of nausea, but I have managed... still eating ok. I have been really exercising regularly which helps with the stress and getting the endophins moving.
For me it is the fear of crashing or all the old feelings of anxiety/despair that I had when coming off the amytriptylene. So I am scared of that happening again with the remeron w/d.. It seemed to have been a delayed w/d when i came off the amytriptylene.. But then that was a tricyclic, Remeron is a tetracyclic which scares me more.
Try not to let it get the better of you johnny.
JUst HANG IN... dont go back NO MATTER WHAT.
keep busy and if tired just rest.. I too have been yawning alot, but I am just pacing myself..
Physically im managing,, oh ya i have gotten the dizzy/.fainty kinda spells off and on too, but they pass. thats when i get anxious cause they happen more at work in the am and i get scared.. but then I just try to remain calm..
Are you exercising?? I know you are tired but even a brisk walk may boost your energy... try it.
The sleep should come around,,, remember it TAKES TIME!!!Good luck
Keep posting were all here for yu,
I understand ,,,im there too buddy.. feeling just as wierd as you have.. keep going k?Musky day 15 off
Hey everyone, I feel real strange.
>
> I woke up at 4, felt ok, slept fitfully for 1 hour and woke up feeling bad. More down than ups that is for sure. My head feels like it has been run over by a truck. If I move to quick I feel almost dizzy. At times, very nauseated followed by hunger. It is like my body cannot make up it’s mind . My chest will feel ok, then 30 minutes later all heavy. Please tell me you all have had some of these. I feel this is depressing me. I don’t know if I am feeling depressed or anxiety, just all weird. The fatigue is crushing. Tying my shoes took major effort this morning.
>
> I also was very agitated and irritable this morning. I just wanted to scream. I yawn all of the time yet cannot sleep well. This is crazy. I don’t recall my depression having all of this crap. I sleep maybe 4 hours and if I am lucky 5 hours. I am starting to think my brain is damaged or something. How long did the nasty symptoms last for you all? The heavy, spongy, flu like head is terrible. I am trying to gut it out but fear I am being pushed into a depression by the W/D. After I stabilized on 3.75 I felt better than I had in a long time even though the withdrawal was brutal from 7.5 to 3.75. But, now, this is the worst……pray for me guys and gals. I wish someone could put me into a med induced coma for 2 months until this is over.
>
> I am off for exactly 2 weeks now. I don’t know if I can take 2 more weeks of this but I DON”T want to take remeron poison anymore.
>
> Jules, Cashy, Musky and anyone else have any words of encouragement?
>
> Regards
>
> johnnyj
>
Posted by Violetskyye on June 14, 2006, at 13:28:12
In reply to Feeling rotten today » cashy72, posted by johnnyj on June 6, 2006, at 11:54:03
Hang in there. I took Remeron for two years and stopped about 6 months ago. Only felt rotten for about two weeks. I have to say, though, that, after doing fairly well for about 5 months, my depression and panic [and hot flashes, which Remeron had completely stopped] came back with a vengeance. I briefly went on Effexor, and slept 24/7, so I'm stopping today [though I hear horror stories about withdrawal.]
Overall, the information I hear is that Remeron is easier to come off of than other drugs. On the Effexor withdrawal boards, I read that getting your doc to give you two doses of 10mg or 20mg Prozac while you go off something else helps, because Prozac leaves your body very slowly and there are no withdrawal symptoms. Hope that info helps someone.
Posted by johnnyj on June 16, 2006, at 10:56:38
In reply to Re: W/D is brutal, posted by jules354 on June 8, 2006, at 17:42:36
Hi Jules,
See my post at the bottom.
Lot's of up and down. Every W/D you had I am having. Gardening is good but I don't feel up to it. Just too tired. Sleep is light. All I want to do is rest. When I went from 7.5 to 3.75 I had the same and then I started sleeping better but after 3 weeks that is yet to happen. I just pray one of these nights I can get 7 hours of deep sleep.
Trying to stay positive but it hard, very hard. My body says it is withdrawal but my mind is wary. I don't like the moodiness stuff.
cheers
johnnyj
Posted by Violetskyye on September 17, 2006, at 21:00:54
In reply to Re: silver lining?, posted by musky on June 8, 2006, at 0:22:29
Help! After going on Remeron for two years, and then going off without too much of a withdrawal problem, I was sort of okay for a few months with nothing more than an occasional Ativan. But the past four months or so, I have had a rebound crash of anxiety and depression that has been terrible.
I have so much anxiety, I have been unable to work for weeks; feel too dizzy and spaced out to shop, and have barely socialized at all.
Anyway, I broke down last night and took 15mg of Remeron last night for the first time in 9 months, and have been pretty much sleeping for the past 20 hours! After much back and forth, I decided I am not going back on the Remeron, and am going to try just more exercise and relaxation, meditation and stuff.
I just had so much fatigue on the Remeron, and some [but not too bad] weight gain. I did okay on it, to the point where I could even travel to Europe for the first time, but looking back, that whole two years is a bit of a blur, and I think I was in a bit of a fog the whole time.
Prozac gave me anxiety; Zoloft gave me mania; Luvox made me really feel weird; and I'm too scared of the withdrawal of both Paxil and Effexor to even try them.
Just wanted to vent. Thanks, all.
Posted by johnnyj on September 20, 2006, at 20:41:14
In reply to Remeron- Tried Going Back On 1 Night, But No Way, posted by Violetskyye on September 17, 2006, at 21:00:54
You are not alone. I am struggling greatly too. I am not sure what I will do but I may have to give another drug a try. I may even have to go to paxil. I am not sure. Good luck and I hope you find relief.
johnnyj
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