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Posted by Berberis on February 10, 2006, at 13:40:21
This most definitely is not a social topic but I didn't know where else to put it.
My first and (so far) only mental hospital experience included being put in restraints and seclusion. I felt and still feel I didn't deserve either treatment. I had OD'd and slept the majority of the time in the ER but they put me in restraints because I got out of bed once. I was put in seclusion because I yelled at my pdoc that I wanted to go home. He could've at least warned me and given me a chance to calm down. Why is it that pdoc's in the psych ward are so frequently mean and act angry at the patient? Aren't we entitled to caring, empathic caregivers? I think restraints, seclusion and ECT were overused at this particular hospital.
Anyone else have experiences they wish to share?
Posted by muffled on February 10, 2006, at 15:38:23
In reply to restraints and seclusion, posted by Berberis on February 10, 2006, at 13:40:21
Not really.
Just I been treated like sh*t too when I was obviously having problems. And it most definately could have been handled differently. But I was too wrecked at the time to do anything, and now way too much time has gone by.
Yeah, my hosp. p-doc. said, nope, nothing we can do for her, she bpd. Never mind, kick her loose.
Mental people in Canada, alot live on the street cuz they got nowhere else to go. There's no facilities for them. I guess proly alot die, one way or another.
Its a crock of sh*t.
When I am better, and I learning lots, I gonna help those people.
Mebbe I don't got a phd, but I am learning lots just by surviving myself.
I think thats why I still here.
My God has work He wants me to do.
Muffled
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 10, 2006, at 16:03:06
In reply to restraints and seclusion, posted by Berberis on February 10, 2006, at 13:40:21
Ugh! Yes. My last psych ward experience was hell, absolute hell. Actually I can't even type it out right now.
I just don't know what they hope to accomplish by taking in a depressed patient and giving them PTSD
And , it's not my clouded judgement, they were *mean*
The kind of mean I thought (naively) hospitals had progressed from.
Posted by deirdrehbrt on February 10, 2006, at 16:40:37
In reply to restraints and seclusion, posted by Berberis on February 10, 2006, at 13:40:21
I only had one experience being in restraints, and that was because I kept tryint to pull out an NG tube. I was fairly out of it then.
The hospitals around where I am seem to treat people really well. Those that got put in quiet rooms (seclusion) are the ones who are making a huge scene. Not usually for just yelling once. Even those are usually told to go to their rooms and quiet down. If they can't do that, they go to a quiet room.
I guess I've never had the sort of experience you described.
--Dee
Posted by 10derHeart on February 10, 2006, at 18:58:55
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion, posted by muffled on February 10, 2006, at 15:38:23
>When I am better, and I learning lots, I gonna help those people.
>Mebbe I don't got a phd, but I am learning lots just by surviving myself.
>I think thats why I still here.
>My God has work He wants me to do.What a beautiful thing you shared. I am so *not* surprised you want to do that :-)
I totally believe He does and you will!
It's an honor to *know* you, muffled.
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2006, at 19:16:55
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion, posted by deirdrehbrt on February 10, 2006, at 16:40:37
That's what we did when I was an RN in pscy. Only used them to protect the person from themself or from hurting someone else. And we hated doing it. And got them out as soon as we could. And if someone was really bad be had to sent them to the State Hospital. Most people once they got something to calm them down could handle being with the other pts. Wasn't meant to be mean at least not where I worked. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Racer on February 11, 2006, at 13:14:11
In reply to restraints and seclusion, posted by Berberis on February 10, 2006, at 13:40:21
I was put in restraints and seclusion when I attempted suicide. I was unconscious when they did it, but I got the feeling that it was SOP there. It could be that you got it, too, for the same reason.
As for psych wards being a place where mean people go to inflict themselves on the most vulnerable, I think there's a lot to that. Someone else can tell us why, but I think it's because the sorts of people who would take advantage of their power tend to gravitate towards that sort of environment, because they will be able to do so.
Posted by LegWarmers on February 11, 2006, at 23:17:59
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion » Berberis, posted by Racer on February 11, 2006, at 13:14:11
>>As for psych wards being a place where mean people go to inflict themselves on the most vulnerable, I think there's a lot to that. Someone else can tell us why, but I think it's because the sorts of people who would take advantage of their power tend to gravitate towards that sort of environment, because they will be able to do so.
yes, I think that has a big part in it and it makes me so sad!Also looking from another angle I think that sometimes people react in ways that others view as agresive or dangerous or disruptive but it is actually precieved incorrectly and then when the patient is confronted with whatever the situations is the 'authoritarian approach' which I assume is used often, is what generaly escalates a situation, such that someone ends up secluded or restrained. When all that might have needed to be done was talk to them with a soft voice and listen, rather threaten seclusion. Its so sad.
When someone is in a state where they need hospital is is outragous that they would be treated with anything less then the respct anyone would be given in another part of the hospital. I'll stop now, hope I made sense, Im very medicated at present.
Posted by muffled on February 11, 2006, at 23:19:38
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion » Berberis, posted by Racer on February 11, 2006, at 13:14:11
Y'know for me the hosp. staff weren't hideous. In fact one male nurse was like an angel. A diff. nurse lent me money for to buy smokes. Weird, I just remembered this stuff. Mostly I forgot it all.
It was more the cops.
They peppersprayed me, and they didn't need to, they had other options.
Then at least the hosp. put me in restraints face down so I could put my burning eyes against a wet cloth they put there....
Sigh.
Still alot of rage there.
Still hate cops.
They not all bad.
Good ol black and white thinking.
Ah sh*t anyways.
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 12, 2006, at 0:28:58
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion » Racer, posted by LegWarmers on February 11, 2006, at 23:17:59
I think that's very true. Once you are seen through that filter everything you do can be misinterpreted. It's terrifying when you are speaking rationally, but you can actually tell at the time how they are percieving it.. and the more clear you try to make yourself, the further down you go.
Sort of like someone who is innocent, being interrogated by someone who is sure they
are guilty. If tháts what they are looking for, they will find it.
There was a study done a long time ago I *think* called the Rothchild study. Where students with no psychiatric history were (under pretense) "committed" to a psychiatric ward.
The psych ward found abbherent reasons for all their behaviour.
One student was taking notes, and so the "compulsive note taking" was seen as a sign of possible Schizophrenia.After it was over, the hospital was informed about what happened.
For the following week they found every person who legitimately needed psychiatric care who sought admittance "sane" and turned them away.I'll try to find a link to it.
It's pretty interesting, but it's been so long since I've read about it, that I may have mixed up some of the details.I've had three hospital experiences and only one was truly awful, but it did traumatize me.
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 12, 2006, at 0:32:46
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion » LegWarmers, posted by Gabbix2 on February 12, 2006, at 0:28:58
http://www.garysturt.free-online.co.uk/rosenhan.htm
It was the Rosenhan study.
Posted by LegWarmers on February 12, 2006, at 9:19:29
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion » LegWarmers, posted by Gabbix2 on February 12, 2006, at 0:28:58
> I think that's very true. Once you are seen through that filter everything you do can be misinterpreted. It's terrifying when you are speaking rationally, but you can actually tell at the time how they are percieving it.. and the more clear you try to make yourself, the further down you go.
>
> Sort of like someone who is innocent, being interrogated by someone who is sure they
> are guilty. If tháts what they are looking for, they will find it.Exactly, and when you are not upset, but someone starts treating you like you are...the way in which they tell you to calm down etc can really provoke a person, especially when they have a severe mental illness. I may not be explaining myself well but I saw it in a movie recently and it was so irritating to watch. I have a teeny temper :) and if someone uses the wrong tone or words...! Well, yeah, I probably look a little insane!
> There was a study done a long time ago I *think* called the Rothchild study. Where students with no psychiatric history were (under pretense) "committed" to a psychiatric ward.
> The psych ward found abbherent reasons for all their behaviour.
> One student was taking notes, and so the "compulsive note taking" was seen as a sign of possible Schizophrenia.
>
> After it was over, the hospital was informed about what happened.
> For the following week they found every person who legitimately needed psychiatric care who sought admittance "sane" and turned them away.
>
> I'll try to find a link to it.
> It's pretty interesting, but it's been so long since I've read about it, that I may have mixed up some of the details.
>
> I've had three hospital experiences and only one was truly awful, but it did traumatize me.
>
>
>
Oh yeah, I have heard of that study...terrible! Im glad 2 of your hospitalizations were ok. It makes me sick when people abuse thier use of authority in settings like that.Im glad I made sense in my first post, or that you followed ; ) I got a supirise seeing that I had posted at all!
Posted by LegWarmers on February 12, 2006, at 14:19:29
In reply to Re: restraints and seclusion » Gabbix2, posted by LegWarmers on February 12, 2006, at 9:19:29
<<I have a teeny temper :) and if someone uses the wrong tone or words...! Well, yeah, I probably look a little insane!
I didn't mean to imply that I lose my temper a lot :) I meant to say that if I am in a bad mood and someone is provoking me, the wrong tone can irk me.
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