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Posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:11:11
In reply to Re: Need to understand triggers and suicide, posted by alexandra_k on October 14, 2005, at 19:12:59
>(((Rainbow))) I’m sorry, I know this is a hard issue for you. It might help to think that sometimes when one is in a really bad space certain information can get forgotten. As a different example… Imagine that you are worried that someone doesn’t like you. They tell you (a couple times) that they do. But then you get depressed… And so… What they said before… Well… It kind of needs to be said again because it has been forgotten. I know that for me, my memory of events / things people have said / alternative ways of looking at the situation is very mood dependent. When my emotions get very intense… I can forget all kinds of stuff.
If I had to ask someone if they were my firned they wouldnt be my firend. Im not following, sorry
> It was just a favor, just a friendly request for a trigger without making a big deal of it.
I know this is hard for you… Maybe you had best avoid posts from Deneb that have a trigger warning on them and / or mention suicide in the subject header?I have been! there was no trigger to the post in question.
> I recall one post where you thought it was funny listening to the way some people tried to kill themselves. thats all.
Yeah. And joking about death isn’t allowed here. Deneb was warned for that – and she hasn’t done it again. I think… Maybe when she mentiones the topic now people tend to think of that other thread? And it calls some of those issues back for people.To me it feels like this is all a repeat over adn over agian but done with slightly differnet words.
This whole thread is about a bablmail that I sent Deneb. I was caught off gueard by something she posted. I ended up in tears WHILE on the phone sick to my stomach ----THERE WAS NO *** TRIGGER***. I thought my email was explaining to her WHY I had a hard time with certain things and I was under the impression that I was gently asking if she would mind putting triggers if certain things were mentioned (which I do not want to say) I cant believe I even read any more of this thread. I can't take it here right now. its too much. Things like this NEVER come up IRL. I dont have to worry about certain topics bringing up things I dont want to think about becasue of the intensity. And no amount of thereoay could make it any less painful. I can't expose myself to this. and tehn feeling ALL ALONE with it which I cant even explain. Its me, its just me, I never fully recovered from the last few threads like this, I should go talk to someonme about this. I take full resonsibilyt for my reactions BUT I was referring to a non triggered post. too sensitive...maybe? But this is a 'social board' ?
If Im an awful person, so be it. I felt I was qutie clear in my babblemail. I really want this to be put to rest now.
Im sorry everyoneDeneb forget I wrote you the babble mail, please, post whatever you want.
see y'all around
Posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:14:55
In reply to I don't think I'm going to make it this time, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 19:42:18
there are places that treat your disorder. Why dont you consider going inpatient/outpaitent somewhere. If you really are miserable the way you are...consider it anyway. It could change you life. please get some help, there isnt enough support for you to use this as your sole resource. You need professionals.
Be safe, please
Posted by JenStar on October 14, 2005, at 20:26:21
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » JenStar, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 16:48:42
Deneb,
I can only interpret words on this site, and I was telling you honestly what I think.Manipulative and suicidal are NOT mutually exclusive...it's possible for someone to be both at the same time. I recognize that very well.
I don't think anyone here wants you to die, even if we get mad at some of your posts. People can disagree and fight, and still not want each other dead! I think you're being very overly dramatic about it...just like in the past when you've questioned over and over whether Dr. Bob wants you to die. (He does not; neither does anyone else.)
This site is not a magic cure-all, and this is not the right place to ask for "real life" help or to set guilt.
I don't think the questions you ask are "bad" questions, per se. I too wonder about suicide, about death, about taboos, about fears. I don't think it's wrong to think or ask about it. I think about these things myself. But the WAY you ask about it is clearly troubling to more than one poster.
Alexandra asks if that matters as long as you're staying within civility guidelines. If it matters to YOU, than it might be a sign that you need to change your behavior. If you LIKE the negative attention, then DON'T change your behavior. It depends on what you want and what you get.
But if you keep posting in the same old ways, you'll get the same old responses. If you want new responses, or to change people's opinions of you on the site, you'll need to change the way you interact. It's that simple.
I hope you're ok and healthy. You should definitely go get help ASAP if you are feeling suicidal for real, and not just thinking about it in a detached kind of way.
take care,
JenStar
Posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:37:56
In reply to CLARIFICATION » alexandra_k, posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:11:11
sorry for my obnoxious remark, I am way too upset to be posting. I just had to come back and say that.
Also forgetting happens to everyone. But how can you forget something like this? What I was trying to say is I just cant understand that.
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 20:43:31
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » Deneb, posted by JenStar on October 14, 2005, at 20:26:21
>If you want new responses, or to change people's opinions of you on the site, you'll need to change the way you interact. It's that simple.
Do you not think i want to change my behaviour? If I knew how to change my behaviour I wouldn't have to kill myself.
If I knew how to change my behaviour I wouldn't be failing school.
> I hope you're ok and healthy.No, I'm not OK. I've been crying for hours. I'm thinking of ODing tomorrow. I'm thinking of hanging myself outside.
Can I ask for some hugs before I die? I feel really lonely.
Posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 21:42:49
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 20:43:31
Believe me. you are too young to even think about such things. You have your whole life to get better. If any of us could only be 23 again! You have some good advice here when they tell you to get professional help---take it. What do you have to lose. you're young, intelligent and pretty. Go for it!!! Suicide is never the answer--nor is talking well of it. Good luck
bobby
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 21:53:50
In reply to Hamster girl » Deneb, posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 21:42:49
Hammie...
I love hammieOh boy, here come the tears again...
hammie is so cute...I love hammie
he's so fuzzy and warm
I don't know what to do anymore.
I don't think I will hang myself tomorrow.
I think I will OD
I might go to the hospital
I can't let my parents find out
Posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 22:13:52
In reply to Re: Hamster girl, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 21:53:50
What will it do to your parents and who will take care of hammie? What's so wrong about seeking help--it sure beats the alternative
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on October 14, 2005, at 22:22:41
In reply to Re: Hamster girl » Deneb, posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 22:13:52
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 22:23:45
In reply to Re: Hamster girl » Deneb, posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 22:13:52
> What will it do to your parents and who will take care of hammie? What's so wrong about seeking help--it sure beats the alternative
What am I supposed to do? Go to the hospital and say that I seriously thought about ODing and hanging myself? Then what? What the hell are they supposed to do?
I've told this to people before, they tell me there isn't anything they can do for me. They tell me to go exercise.
I have to at least OD again before showing up for help. They won't take me seriously if I don't OD. I don't care if I accidentally die anymore. I hate my life. I have no life. I have no friends. I have no goals. I have NO life.
When I die, it doesn't matter what others think anymore. I will be free. I won't bother and upset people anymore. I'll be a ghost. I will travel through space and time and visit other worlds. It will be like a dreamworld. Or if there is nothing I'm fine with that too.
Posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 22:27:12
In reply to Re: Hamster girl, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 22:23:45
How can you be sure of these things?
Posted by gardenergirl on October 14, 2005, at 22:53:17
In reply to Re: Hamster girl, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 22:23:45
Deneb,
You do not have to OD to be admitted to the hospital. If you tell them you are intending to hurt yourself, they are OBLIGATED to help you and to keep you safe.But you have to be absolutely HONEST with them about your feelings and thoughts.
You do NOT have to kill yourself. Please think hard about even ONE other alternative, even if you don't believe it will help. And then whenever you find yourself saying you have no choice, remind yourself about the other one. Choices equal freedom. Depression and mental illness impairs our ability to see choices.
I don't know your parents. But I am certain that I would want my daughter to reach out and to tell me if she were suffering like you are. Please give your parents a chance. And if they do not understand, reach out to professionals, who are much more likely to understand and to know how to help.I really want to see you get well. Your supportive and happy posts are a joy.
gg
Posted by Angela2 on October 14, 2005, at 23:08:08
In reply to hospital ***trigger*** » Deneb, posted by gardenergirl on October 14, 2005, at 22:53:17
Deneb, I am sorry you are in so much pain. Please don't kill yourself. There is so much to live for.
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 23:42:12
In reply to hospital ***trigger*** » Deneb, posted by gardenergirl on October 14, 2005, at 22:53:17
but I don't know what to do now
I just don't know what to do.
I think I'm going to live
but things are not changing
my problems are still there
I just don't know what to do now
should I OD tomorrow?
i don't have much time to decide
i think i will live, unless i get unlucky or am too afraid to seek help
either way, please please please don't contact my parents
i can't let them know
if I get locked up I will escape, I can't let my parents know
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 23:49:46
In reply to I've stopped crying, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 23:42:12
I don't want to think anymore
I'm just going to go to sleep now
Posted by caraher on October 15, 2005, at 0:25:53
In reply to I've stopped crying, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 23:42:12
Deneb, you really are a delightful presence. Don't hurt youself. Get help. Your problems are not as insurmountable as they seem. We care about you a lot and would hate to see you OD or worse. Take some time to just sit with Hammy or something calming when your soul is in such turmoil.
Posted by Deneb on October 15, 2005, at 1:36:01
In reply to I'm tired, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 23:49:46
Don't know what is going to happen tomorrow
don't know how to make my problems go away
don't know how to get my life back together
don't know how I can *not* attempt to kill myself after all the threats i made
don't think people here believe how much i suffer
I think I have to prove this by ODing tomorrow.
I think this place is bad for me.
i think some people don't understand me and don't believe me
I think I will OD to prove myself. If I die, that is the ultimate proof
I probably won't die, it's pretty difficult to kill oneself, I've done research on this
some people don't believe me here...i have to prove myself
Posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 1:39:19
In reply to Can't sleep, can't stop crying, posted by Deneb on October 15, 2005, at 1:36:01
Posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 1:44:29
In reply to Can't sleep, can't stop crying, posted by Deneb on October 15, 2005, at 1:36:01
the hospital than dead. You don't have to worry about them being angry because you ask for help.
I am a parent. My daughter ended up in the hospital and they helped her so much! It was sad to see her need to go there, but it was a huge relief that she got the help she needed.
Posted by Deneb on October 15, 2005, at 1:47:13
In reply to Why won't you get help? (nm) » Deneb, posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 1:39:19
What am I going to do?
I'm pretty sure I won't kill myself now. I think I'm going to OD.
Do I waltz into a hospital and say that I'm only thinking of ODing? not even of killing myself anymore? only of hurting myself? and then not even actually doing it?
What are they going to think?
Posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 2:01:41
In reply to Re: Why won't you get help?, posted by Deneb on October 15, 2005, at 1:47:13
Posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 2:04:26
In reply to At least call them and see what they have to say. (nm) » Deneb, posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 2:01:41
Posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 2:09:56
In reply to Dial 411 and ask for the # to any suicide hotline. (nm) » crazy teresa, posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 2:04:26
Posted by crazy teresa on October 15, 2005, at 2:12:06
In reply to Re: Why won't you get help?, posted by Deneb on October 15, 2005, at 1:47:13
Posted by alexandra_k on October 15, 2005, at 4:42:55
In reply to Re: Need to understand triggers and suicide » alexandra_k, posted by ClearSkies on October 14, 2005, at 19:31:04
> I think you missed the point here, Alexandra - that there is an apology, then a repeat of action requiring an apology, then an apology...
Do you ever apologise without really understanding just what it is that you are apologising for? I do this sometimes.
What is the apology supposed to be for?
For other peoples hurt feelings?
For posting something to *make them feel* bad?
What did she do wrong (thinking of this thread - not past threads)?
Are we always required to stop our behaviour if other people feel upset as a result?
Couldn't there be situations where we have needs too?
The post said 'need to understand'. I think that indicated that she was going to be struggling with that in the thread
>if she hadn't done anything to upset people, then why the cycle of apology and posting repeatedly about the same subject?
Maybe because she can feel something of peoples frustration. When I feel like people are frustrated with me sometimes I get pretty scaired and apologise repeatedly even though I'm not really sure what went wrong.
>That's the problem with crying wolf
And maybe...
There is a problem with respect to considering it to be 'crying wolf' to start with...
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