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Posted by Fi on March 3, 2002, at 14:21:15
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on March 1, 2002, at 8:27:42
Everyone apart from Lou: remember he feels obliged to answer your messages and seems to aim for you to join his approach, rather than the usual discussion/ straightforward support on this board. Which doesnt mean not replying to his posts, just not putting lots of energy into it expecting something else?
Lou: please summarise the rest of the gates, as suggested by two of us before. And remember you dont have to answer everyone's post.
Fi
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2002, at 14:38:03
In reply to Re: The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Fi on March 3, 2002, at 14:21:15
Fi
Good to hear from you again, Fi. I am trying to condence the Road to the Crown of Life. But if I leave out anything, then the next Gate will not be clear to some people. I did think that at one time that was compelled to answer all posts. Now I will answer only the ones that are concerning clarification. Could I clarify anything for you ?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2002, at 15:43:39
In reply to Re: The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Fi on March 3, 2002, at 14:21:15
Friends;
When I arrived at the 4th Gate there was a great crowd of other people that had come down the Road waiting at the Gate. The Rider with many Crowns said," He who wants to go through this Gate must give up his mother his father and all worldly possesions and folllow me, for I have the keys to Death and Hell and Life."There was a man that spoke out and said,"My father ownes a department store and will leave me $5,000,000.00 when he dies. Let me first go back and let him die and when I bury him I will come back here.". The Rider said,"Let the dead bury the dead". Then the Rider said," there are no worldly treasures on this road, those that want those things turn back, but all who those who labor and are heavily burdened and are suffering and are going through a trial in their life follow me and you will be given rest. Follow me and you will be given peace. Follow me and you shall have life and life more abundantly.
Many turned back, but I went through the 4th Gate with many others.
I, Lou, experianced these things that I have written. This actually happened to me. If you want to know what was beyond the 4th gate, let me know and I will write it here .
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2002, at 14:01:12
In reply to Gate 4 on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2002, at 15:43:39
Friends;
We were on our way to the 5th Gate and the Rider vanished and the Road came to an end . There was a wilderness in front of us. We stopped to talk this over. Thom spoke and said," Let's go back, for we do not know what is ahead. At least going back we know that we can have food and shelter." " Also, I doubt that the Rider was who he said he was. Anybody can have a white horse." "This is a trick and now we are lost." Others grumbeled also.I stood up and said to the group, " Let's not turn back." "He said that there was the City of Peace on ahead and tht we could overcome our afflictions and have the Crown of Life". Then Peter said, " I'm leaving and I will live on fish on the way back." " I said, " We will find the City, let's go into the wilderness and see if we can find the Way." "What makes you so sure?, one called out." I said, " I just know, I have a belief that He was who he said He was". "I have FAITH that it is all true"." "Let's all go". There was more grumbling and then Rachel stood up and said, "OK Pilder, but you better be right."
We went into the Wilderness for hours and we were now completly lost. The people in the group yelled out," Now what, Lou?" "No food, no place to sleep." Then we saw an ancient castle in the distance. We went in and there were old beds and a large table and in the back yard was a garden with all kinds of scrumptious fruits and vegetables. There were lambs roaming the hillside. We ate of the fruits and went in to sleep. On the stone walls were the names inscribed of the people that had been here before us.I saw Winston Churchill, Vincent van Gogh, Michelangelo, William Shakespear, Judy Garland, Louis Armstrong, Abraham Lincoln, Charles Parker, Virginaia Woolf, Irving Berlin, Natalie Wood, Leo Tolstoy, Albert Einstien, F. Scott Fitzgearald, Elvis Pressley, Grace Kelly, Jimmy Piersall, Truman Capote, Liberace, M.L.King, Issac Newton, Jon Belushi and many more.
I, Lou, experianced this. It actually happenend to me. I will tell you what happenened the next day if anyone wants me to.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2002, at 17:13:20
In reply to To Gate 5 on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2002, at 14:01:12
Friends;
Gates 5-7 could be viewed by some as very objectionable. They involve horrific situations about death, hell, the wrath of God, the judgement of God, true repentance and the Love of God. At this time, I have no way of telling what I experianced without a)breaking the rules for this forum b)offending some people for it is extreamly "religious" c)arousing hatred toward me. I am going to try to get someone on this board, that has a degree in liturature or a related field, to help me put the rest of what I experianced into words that would be accceptable on this board. If you would want to help me do this, please email me at [email protected] and I will share the graphic experiance that I had with you and perhaps you have the literary capibility to present it so that it would be acceptable to this board.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2002, at 16:00:30
In reply to A Notice About Gates 5-7 , posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2002, at 17:13:20
Friends;
As we started the next day we were met by the Rider with many Crowns. We were taken to a Great Plain where there were innumerable angels with sharp sickles. The Rider said," They go out each day and kill. They are the Angels of Death. No one knows when the Angel of Death will come to them. For it is appointed for evry man to die once, and then the judgement." Then we were shown a collossal winepress made of stone. The enemys of God were dropped into the giant winepress and a huge stone crushed them like grapes and their blood poured out and filled the ditches. Some of these people I could identify. I saw Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and others. This was The Grapes of Wrath.
I, Lou, experianced this. If this is in violation of the board's rules, or if you think that I should not continue, then if I see some that want me to stop, I will. Just post your objection and I wil understand and not continue what I experianced.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2002, at 11:22:26
In reply to The 5th Gate- The Grapes of Wrath, posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2002, at 16:00:30
Friends;
The seeing of The Winepress of God was horrific. We ran back to the garden behind the castle. As we sat around a small pond there, somone said," You know, I don't want a ciggarett here." Another said, " You know, I don't want any drugs for I am at peace in this garden." Another said, " I feel like I have been given whole new life. I feel like I am a child with no worries." Another said, "I have no fear here. Fear has been cast out of me." Then another said, "This is a Paradise, let's stay here." Then an Angel of the Lord appeard and said,"Fear not, for you can overcome your afflictions and be whole new creatues." "For greater is He that is in you than he that is in the World." I will give you each a pearl. Place it in your pockets and use it to remember me by."
I. Lou, experianced this. It is as clear to me now as it was 30 yers ago.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2002, at 18:44:17
In reply to The 5th Gate ----continued, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2002, at 11:22:26
Friends;
As I awoke the next day I was in torment.I was in psychotic depression. I was in Cincinnati, Ohio. I looked out my window and saw the city. There was no Paradise. There was no garden. There were no angels. There were no Riders on white horses. The city was a city of gloom. It was all a dream. I realised that now I had no hope to get out of this depression. My landlady knocked on the door. I was too depressed to get out of bed. I wanted to go back to the Road but it was an illusion. The landlady again knocked and said, "Come to the door and pay me for this letter that I accepted for you while you were gone. It is seventy-five cents. I couldn't go to the door. The depression was too great. I could only think of going back to the Road but it was not real. I cried out,"MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?" The landlady kept knocking. I had to go to the door and give her her money. I gave her my change and she left and then turned to me and said, " Is this your pearl, Lou?"
Lou
Posted by ST on March 8, 2002, at 5:31:47
In reply to Re: The 5th Gate ----continued, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2002, at 18:44:17
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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2002, at 8:42:37
In reply to Lou, we're listening...continue, please (nm), posted by ST on March 8, 2002, at 5:31:47
ST;
Could you clarify what you would like me to tell ? I do not have anyone to help me write this yet, so if you tell me what you would like me to focus on, then I can concentrate on that.
Lou
Posted by beardedlady on March 8, 2002, at 9:47:33
In reply to Re: The 5th Gate ----continued, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2002, at 18:44:17
So what was in the envelope? And how did she get your pearl?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2002, at 9:52:15
In reply to Re: The 5th Gate ----continued » Lou Pilder, posted by beardedlady on March 8, 2002, at 9:47:33
beardedlady;
The pearl was in my pocket with my change. So I handed her the pearl by accident since I thought that the pearl was part of a dream and did not check my pocket for it when I handed her my change.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2002, at 12:19:22
In reply to Re: The 5th Gate ----continued » beardedlady, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2002, at 9:52:15
Beardedlady;
The letter was a large envelope with photgraphs and other items being returned to me by the women that I was engaged to. There was a letter in it that said that she was forsaking me for another man that was normal. She said that she did not want to be around a depressed person or one that gets unusually excited. But the pearl showed me that I was not being forsaken. I did not have a psychotic delusion. There is a City of Peace and I would find a way to return to the Road.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2002, at 20:14:30
In reply to Lou answers Beardedlady's question.---The Letter, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2002, at 12:19:22
Friends;
I awoke the next day in torment. I only had thoughts of returning to that Paradise. I did not know the way back. I went to a park in Cincinnati called Eden Park.(this is the real name of this park and if you are in Cincinnati you can look it up). There was a man standing in a white robe with a staff and sandles saying,"Blessed are the peacemakers--", "Blessed are they that morn",--- Blesseed are they---"and while he spoke people jeerd him and mocked him. One yelled out,"Your crazy, go to the psych ward." Another yelled out,"Hey messiah, turn these stones into pizzas." He answered him and said,"Man shall not live by bread alone." The people were silent and left quickly. I went up to him and said," I don't think that you are crazy." He stretched out his hand and there was a pearl in it. Then he said, " Today you will be with me in Paradise".
I, Lou, experianced this. This actually happened to me.
Shabott Shalom,
Lou
Posted by ST on March 9, 2002, at 2:38:10
In reply to A question to ST from Lou » ST, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2002, at 8:42:37
Hi Lou,
I just noticed that no one was responding for a while. I wanted to let you know that some of us are curious about where your path leads. Just lending support - that's all!
ST
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2002, at 19:14:00
In reply to Re: A question to ST from Lou, posted by ST on March 9, 2002, at 2:38:10
Friends;
I walked into the Garden and was greeted by the group. They told me that while I was away that they had no depression, fear, doubt, nervesness, anxiety or worry and it was because they were eating the fruit of the vine that was in the garden. I ate the fruit and my depression lifted. There was joy and love and peace among all of us. We realised it came from the fruit of the vine.
Then the Rider having many Crowns appeard. He spoke to us and said, "I am the Vine and my Father is the Vinedresser. I am the Vine and you are the Branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him bears much fruit. As my Father has loved Me,I also have loved you. If you keep My commmandments, you will abide in my love. This is My commmandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his frends."
Then a gate down the Road appeard and He said, " Those that want to abide in Me can come through that Gate on the Road to the Crown of Life" Some went back , but I went through the 5th Gate.
I, Lou,experianced this.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2002, at 11:44:01
In reply to Re: A question to ST from Lou, posted by ST on March 9, 2002, at 2:38:10
Friends;
We were going on the Road and there were people grumbling saying that they were worried that they would not have food, clothing and shelter on this Road. The Rider stopped and turned to us and said," Do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink or about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? Which of you by worrying can add one second to your lifespan?"
"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much cloth you, O you of little faith?"
"Thearfore do not worry, saying," What shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or what shall we wear? But seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2002, at 19:18:52
In reply to Re: A question to ST from Lou, posted by ST on March 9, 2002, at 2:38:10
Friends;
Two months ago, I came here to Psycho-Babble with the hope that there was a beacon of light to free me from my affliction. But after 2 months, I face the tragic fact that I am an outcast to my own peple.
In a sence, I came here to find fellowship. Instead, I found rejection. In a sence, I came here to find a door to open. Instead, the door was slammed shut. In a sence, I came here to find reason. Instead, I found wrath. In a sence, I came here to find acceptance. Instead, I found ridicule.
It is obvious that Psycho-Babble has refused to honor its own creed. But now is the time for Psycho-Babble to open its doors to ALL. Now is the time to have change. There is no time to debate about this. There are too many people suffering to be blocked from felowship.
I have seen the sufferings of you. Some of you can not end the addiction to your drugs. Some of you can not get out of your depression. There is no freedom on Psycho-Babble. You need freedom in order to be freed from your afflictions. You need freedom to be freed from your drugs.
I had a dream. I could not finish that dream for I need freedom to finish the dream. I have a dream that evryone of you will overcome your addictions. I have a dream that evryone of you will overcome your depressions. I have a dream that evryone of you will recieve the Crown of Life and be FREE AT LAST.
Friends, I must leave you. But if you ever are in a drug that you can not get out of, remember the Crown of Life. If there is ever a depression that you can not come out of, remeber the Crown of Life. For when I found my WAY to the City of Peace, the Rider with many Crowns said to me, " I am the WAY, I am the TRUTH, I am the LIFE.
Goodbye, my FRIENDS,
Lou
Posted by IsoM on March 12, 2002, at 1:39:57
In reply to Lo tells you why he must leave Psycho-Babble, posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2002, at 19:18:52
Lou, no one that I've noticed is ridiculing you. While people aren't posting back in response, I thought that was agreed upon that you would just go on explaining your journey along the road. I'm sure there's still some who are continuing to read. I have found what I hope for, but maybe others are still looking (& reading your posts).
You do seem to still want responses from somebody to assure you. Why not simply post & ask if anybody is still reading & are interested to know more? That way, you'll know for sure.
Posted by ST on March 12, 2002, at 5:27:55
In reply to Lo tells you why he must leave Psycho-Babble, posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2002, at 19:18:52
Lou,
No one is ridiculing you or slamming the door shut. You've changed your way in telling your story of the Crown of Life so that it is easier for us to absorb. (Before, you were accusatory of anyone with different views and a bit preachy, if you don't mind me saying...) I think many people want to hear more. Please go on.
ST
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 12, 2002, at 6:02:42
In reply to Re: Lo tells you why he must leave Psycho-Babble » Lou Pilder, posted by ST on March 12, 2002, at 5:27:55
Friends;
No none has done any of those things on this thread for it was agreed that I would condense and others would not interrupt. The problems happenend on other threads.
But I must have freedom in order to write what happened at the 6th and 7th Gate on the Road to the Crown of Life. I do not even have the freedom to be me on this board. I am just like you and suffer the same afflictions as you. I have OCD. I have depression. I hear things. I have unusuall excitement.I have memory lapse. I have been to the psych ward. I have been to the Vally of the Shadow of Death. AndI have seen the comming of the Glory of the Lord. I want all of you to see that comming. But I must be free to tell you without the fear of being what I am.
You have been the pillars of this board. You have held up many that are fallen. And I believe that you are sincerer in wanting me to continue with the Road that leads to the Crown of Life.
Now you have seen that the pillars in my life are Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King. They peer out on all of my posts. They have not died for they live in our hearts. They recieved the Crown of Life. They overcame. I want all of you to overcome.
Now if I am to return to tis board then I must have the following:
a)That Dr. Bob immmediatly suspend the "pressue" rule in his civility rules untill they are revised to accomodate the afflictions that we all have.
b) That Dr. Bob forgive all those that are under a block and allow them to return to fellowship with the others on this board immediatly.
I would like to finish the Road, for it is the 6th and 7th Gate that lead you to the Truth that will set you free.
Lou
Posted by trouble on March 12, 2002, at 7:06:19
In reply to Lou answers his friends » ST, posted by Lou Pilder on March 12, 2002, at 6:02:42
> Friends;
> if I am to return to tis board then I must have the following:
> a)That Dr. Bob immmediatly suspend the "pressue" rule in his civility rules untill they are revised to accomodate the afflictions that we all have.
> b) That Dr. Bob forgive all those that are under a block and allow them to return to fellowship with the others on this board immediatly.
Well Lou, it certainly sounds like you are ablaze w/the activist fire of your heroes MLK and Old Hickory. As an old-school radical myself I can't help but chuckle in recognition of my own often far-reaching advocacy. I always mean well, as do you.If you only knew how dear you are, how sturdy AND fragile, both guarded AND exposed, and not quite so black OR white as I've seen in the archives.
I'd just really hate to see your continued participation depend solely on the wit or whimsy of a beaurocratic decision. You give Dr. Bob so much power, Lou.
Anyway, I'm glad to see you posting today, hope you stick aroundtrouble
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 12, 2002, at 7:18:25
In reply to Re: Lou answers his friends, posted by trouble on March 12, 2002, at 7:06:19
Trouble
It is not I that has been speaking here. It is those that live in me. Can you believe that someone can dwell in you?
When I left the City of Peace I heard the Rider say, "I will not leave you comfortless.I will come to you. Because I live, you shall also live. And you shall know that I am in my Father and you are in me and I am in you."
"and if any one love me, he shall be loved by my Father and we will come into him and make our abode with him."
Lou
Posted by ST on March 13, 2002, at 6:02:20
In reply to Lou answers his friends » ST, posted by Lou Pilder on March 12, 2002, at 6:02:42
Lou,
Dr. Bob will not suspend any kind of pressure rule, I'm sure. Besides, I don't really think you've been pressuring people lately. As for those who are blocked, they can still read about your experience and possibly gain from it. I think trouble brings up a good point: you give Dr. Bob too much power. He simply wants us all to be civil to each other. I think you can continue your story without fear of his intervention as long as you focus on simply sharing what you know. Share it and hope others will follow. Beyond that, there is nothing to do. And sharing what you've experienced is huge. I'm a big advocate of everyone speaking their mind here and I'd love you to continue to do so. I hope you don't leave.
Sarah> Friends;
> No none has done any of those things on this thread for it was agreed that I would condense and others would not interrupt. The problems happenend on other threads.
> But I must have freedom in order to write what happened at the 6th and 7th Gate on the Road to the Crown of Life. I do not even have the freedom to be me on this board. I am just like you and suffer the same afflictions as you. I have OCD. I have depression. I hear things. I have unusuall excitement.I have memory lapse. I have been to the psych ward. I have been to the Vally of the Shadow of Death. AndI have seen the comming of the Glory of the Lord. I want all of you to see that comming. But I must be free to tell you without the fear of being what I am.
> You have been the pillars of this board. You have held up many that are fallen. And I believe that you are sincerer in wanting me to continue with the Road that leads to the Crown of Life.
> Now you have seen that the pillars in my life are Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King. They peer out on all of my posts. They have not died for they live in our hearts. They recieved the Crown of Life. They overcame. I want all of you to overcome.
> Now if I am to return to tis board then I must have the following:
> a)That Dr. Bob immmediatly suspend the "pressue" rule in his civility rules untill they are revised to accomodate the afflictions that we all have.
> b) That Dr. Bob forgive all those that are under a block and allow them to return to fellowship with the others on this board immediatly.
> I would like to finish the Road, for it is the 6th and 7th Gate that lead you to the Truth that will set you free.
> Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 13, 2002, at 7:50:34
In reply to Re: Lou answers his friends, posted by ST on March 13, 2002, at 6:02:20
ST;
I would like to finish the Road. But there are forces working against me on this board that freeze my initiative to write. I am threatenened with a 4 week expulsion if I "presssure". Now , in a sense, any sentence could be construed to constitute "pressure". So I can not speak at all. It is called the "chilling effect" and is a violation of our right to freedom of speech. But we do not have our rights on this board. So I have tried to tell what I have experianced but with the spector of being banished for 4 weeks walking behind me, I have a fear that whatever I say will be deemed as "pressure". Now you admit that I am not pressuring anyone. And I am not. And you know that other people speak through me.
Now the thought is that we must give up our rights. Many have tried to ligitamise our giving up our rights. But I remember a great American that spoke about giving up their rights in 1775. He was speaking to the house before the Declaration if Independance and he said,
"What is it that gentleman wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH!"
This was spoken by Patric Henry in 1775.
Lou
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