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Posted by Lamdage22 on May 12, 2020, at 11:09:21
I like this analogy... it makes a lot of sense to me.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 14, 2020, at 10:36:22
In reply to Analytic Therapy = Search for truth, posted by Lamdage22 on May 12, 2020, at 11:09:21
Like in your family? I tend to confront people more. They are not used to that.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 25, 2020, at 6:45:38
In reply to Can Analytic Therapy make you more rebellious?, posted by Lamdage22 on May 14, 2020, at 10:36:22
i don't think i know about analytic therapy.
do you mean psychoanalytic -- or something else?
rebellious...
is that about standing up for yourself when other people want you to do what they want instead of what you want?
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 25, 2020, at 6:46:41
In reply to Re: Can Analytic Therapy make you more rebellious?, posted by alexandra_k on May 25, 2020, at 6:45:38
Yeah, psychoanalytic,
that is exactly what I mean.
> rebellious...
>
> is that about standing up for yourself when other people want you to do what they want instead of what you want?
Posted by alexandra_k on May 27, 2020, at 18:15:01
In reply to Re: Can Analytic Therapy make you more rebellious?, posted by Lamdage22 on May 25, 2020, at 6:46:41
One criticism or critique of psychoanalysis was that it focused on insight or awareness or truth...
But the relationship between those things and behavioral change was not very close, or tight.
So, sometimes the awareness or insight into the source or nature of the problem... Doesn't contain much of a solution with respect to the way forwards.
THe best help I have had with being appropriately assertive (not to say I couldn't stand to learn a hell of a lot more about this and about how to do this) was from DBT.
I'm not sure where the stuff came from. Cognitive psychology? Perhaps...
It was basically part of the many many lists that were offered.
Feel like harming yourself? Here are things to do instead. Then a long long long list of things you could do.
And (when feeling good) you could look through the list and see what of the many many things that were listed sounded like genuine options to you. I mean, sounded like things that you might actually possibly do if they actually occurred to them in the moment.
So you made the list yours, in other words. You sort of made a sub-list of things.
There were similar lists of emotions. So when asked 'how do you feel?' you would have some words to pick something out.
There were also lists of things you could say that were assertive things. When you wanted someone to stop something. When you wanted to say 'no' becuase someone was asking too much of you. Things like that.
I thought this... All of this... Was wonderful. Terrific.
For people who don't grow up with exposure or excess to scripts of things to say. With role models that we can copy in being appropriately assertive.
Especially when sometimes people respond badly to our attempts or efforts to stick up for ourself. When we have to make decisions about whether it is worth the bother to stand up for ourself vs give in to their desires and interests.. It can help to figure things out in advance. What is reasonable. HOw to approach it.
That was the best help I had.
I'm not sure where the lists came from. And the DHB group skills group where we could practice role-play situations. 'I'm sorry -- but I don't want to house-sit for you. Here are some other alternatives that you could think about for who could look after your cat'. And so on.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 27, 2020, at 18:23:49
In reply to Re: Can Analytic Therapy make you more rebellious? » Lamdage22, posted by alexandra_k on May 27, 2020, at 18:15:01
It was from the DBT skills manual.
I think you can find this if you search online. I think it is purchase-able, I mean to say. It was photocopyable for group therapy handout.
They printed them off for us and put them all in a ring-binder.
But the group therapy helped, being able to role-play.
Or just to run things by...
I remember at one point. It was about having to go to GP and get stitches. My therapist was going with me (there was a GP clinic over the road). I was feeling bad. I didn't mean to cut so deep / make such a bother of myyself. But it wasn't going to heal well on it's own so going across the road...
And I remember being embarrassed, really. And saying to my therapist on the way over there 'I don't know what to say'. And she was like 'just say at reception that you would like to see a doctor'. ANd maybe she said something about 'and if they ask for more information say you have a wound that needs attending to'.
And at the time I was like 'oh, of course, that's a sensible thing to say. Sure.
It was strange, I thought, that I didn't think to say that, myself.
(I am having trouble remebering, now. Now I am thinking that that isn't likely... Usually (now) in precisely that kind of a situation the receptionist will get very very nosey and expect you to tell the whole waiting room what you are there for. Then you will be required to tell it all to a nurse (passing themselves off as the doctor). And they will hmm and ha and pretend to be the doctor. Then you will get to see the doctor. But this was my memory of it. Of how I actually didn't need to tell the receptionist any details at all. I guess it is playing into that guilt that people have... That got receptionsts... MOre cockey these days to ask for more details... I suppose I need to get better about being more assertive nowdays with people continually trying things on trying to poke their nose in when I don't want it just to see if they can).
It is like the 2 meter social distancing thing. People encroach into that space in order to check yoru reaction to their encroachment.
Anyway... Maybe the book would help you.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 1, 2020, at 15:41:33
In reply to Analytic Therapy = Search for truth, posted by Lamdage22 on May 12, 2020, at 11:09:21
its analysis, and someone can over analyze and make a error, analysis paralysis which you analyze too much that you don't do anything of find a solution
not sure what to say....they anaylze you, but seems not to a perfect solution, they just anaylze the facts, they don't anaylze how it could change, or move out into other new better mind state
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 22, 2020, at 1:54:14
In reply to Re: Analytic Therapy = Search for truth, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 1, 2020, at 15:41:33
I am not very aware of who I am.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 31, 2020, at 8:52:27
In reply to Re: Analytic Therapy = Search for truth, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 1, 2020, at 15:41:33
Well I made the experience that some come up with solutions before knowing what the problem is. They are happy with I am apathetic, instead of figuring out why someone is apathetic. The solution requires knowing the problem!
> its analysis, and someone can over analyze and make a error, analysis paralysis which you analyze too much that you don't do anything of find a solution
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> not sure what to say....they anaylze you, but seems not to a perfect solution, they just anaylze the facts, they don't anaylze how it could change, or move out into other new better mind state
Posted by Lamdage22 on November 20, 2020, at 4:30:11
In reply to Re: Analytic Therapy = Search for truth, posted by Lamdage22 on August 31, 2020, at 8:52:27
Hey guys,
so my Therapist thinks that it doesn't work. I have been visiting him for a year. I think it is cool that he says that because he could also have me keep coming back anyway to make a buck. I have become less inclined towards studying or working out. Much less. It is a bit frustrating. I don't know if I will continue this.
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