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Posted by muffled on December 9, 2007, at 23:39:30
Does this seem logical?
I been thinking bout my prob with self destruct/self sabotage.
I been thinking maybe its a kid.
I been thinking its an angry kid lashing out in the only way it can, cuz its just a kid and has no power. So its revenging itself on those its angry at, by hurting this body. Cus i think the kid has always known its loved, and if it hurts itself it can hurt others. So a part always tried to protect its family from any of its pain. Some part did anyways, mebbe not this kid. But the angry kid wants to hurt loved ones cuz its angry, very, very angry. But the rest of the body will not allow it to express its hurt. So it hurts itself instead, in ways that don't show. Its very secretive and sneaky and hides stuff SO well. I think naybe it is still powerless and pulling the same stuff.
Now you would think OK, so now I can deal with this, but btwn the constant constant barrage from this kid, and the physical lure of addictions, well, it seems to be very very hard indeed to do the right things.
I think somehow I goto deal with this kid, but my communication w/her is very poor and I don't think she got any use for me at all.
I dunno if she would communicate w/T , I dunno if she would be allowed. I think she would, if allowed. I think she just dying to connect w/someone other than the idiot she considers me to be.
Its SO hard cuz I am not so split and therefore communication is poor. I get so mixed up with who is saying what and why. It almost seems like it changes. There seem to be several I should deal with. But I dunno, maybe I should downplay them in hopes they fade away.
But so far they haven't. They just harass me.
I am SO tired of this.
I get so shy w/T to let her see my peeps(who came up w/that word anyhow!?LOL!). I feel like such a freak to let them actually speak. I can speak for them if she asks questions I guess. That might be OK.
I just feel so STUCK. Not good to go back, scared to go forwards. Just kinda slowly going down a very wrong path thats going to lead to misery, but its a familiar path.
I a big chicken sh*t and scared to go down the right path. Too scared.
I DUNNO what to do.
T tends to try and have me direct the therapy, I rarely do, but she tries. I forget the name of her orientation leanings...mebbe adlerian, humanistic, client centered, CBT stuff, I may be wrong.
I just know she has faithfully stuck by me, and I goto be THE most irritating frustrating client in Tdom. But she just keep being the same, and not hating me, not loathing me, not running away when I try my damndest despite myself to make her run. I scared that she nice to me. I kinda wish I could walk into her office and she would have read emails and know I screwing up, and she would say, "WTF is UP w/YOU man, you GOTTA get your sh*t together, I oughtta kick your *ss..." Now THAT I can understand, but she just is all nice, and that freaks me.
I SO mixed up.
I SO f*ck*ng up.
I have lost T in my head, she not there.
I think I leave a voicemail and mebbe she get it on monday, and say for her to phone me, and if she ask why, I just gonna be dead honest and say I lost her somewhere and just wanted to know she was there. Even if I feel REAL stupid. Cuz kid been around ALOT. And its always hard when she around alot.
Wish me luck and nerve. I seem to be the queen of chickensh*tness this week.
M
Posted by muffled on December 9, 2007, at 23:41:24
In reply to Re:being split, posted by muffled on December 9, 2007, at 23:39:30
Posted by rskontos on December 10, 2007, at 8:25:41
In reply to Re:being split, posted by muffled on December 9, 2007, at 23:39:30
Muffled, I was thinking that this angry kid is probably trying to also hurt the other kids inside too. No I don't think you should try and make them go. I have done that and they don't go they just come back harder and more not being able to control or communicate with. I think and believe me I know how hard cause when that one came out with my T I cried for days after, you should let T help and if that is only possible with letting T see her then let her.
And don't think i suggest this easily cuz I know how hard they are to let out. We have spent so much time hiding these parts of us. These are the parts of us I think we swore sometime ago never to show to anyone. So it almost kills us to show them but I think, and this makes me cry to tell you too becuase I need to hear it too, we have to get well/healed. If we keep them inside they will always bother us like little creepy ghosts inside our heads that never go away and play hide/seek with our minds. Once we let them out they can't hide so well or be so sneeky or be so secretive so see this is the only way to help ourselves.
Right. Oh I am not sure just what I think might be right. I think only T's knows for sure and maybe they dont always know know but hey they sure know more than us!!!!!!!!!
So I try it and I AM going to try again to let anyone out. It will hurt so stinking much and I will be a basket case again for a while but I am a basket case now so what will actually change.
Nothing. monkey is as monkey does.You are being really brave. I am proud of you. rk
Posted by star008 on December 10, 2007, at 9:37:22
In reply to Re:being split, posted by rskontos on December 10, 2007, at 8:25:41
ahhh muffled..
'I dunno if she would communicate w/T , I dunno if she would be allowed. I think she would, if allowed. I think she just dying to connect w/someone other than the idiot she considers me to be"
It is not that they consider us total idiots but they haven't seen us take care of ourselves or try to take care of them.. they have seen us be mean and say bad things about them.. yeah, they dont care to talk to us. Mine would rather talk to my T but when i split and she is there she doesn't say anything..She is just so scared toohust for too long. I told my t he will have to talk to them.. I can't always bring out who he wants but I usualy know who it is if one shows up.
This is going to take a long time to get through. For me, for you, and everone else who deals with all the peeps.. Yeah,, i knda like tht one too.. reminds me of the marshmallow easter chicks!!.. All the baby birds to take care of..
My t gets frustrated but not with me.. just the situation and that T's don't alwys know what to do
LIke they try this and try that we just don't respond like th text book says we should..lolGotta watch the addictions muffs... they will slow you down and f..ck up your head..Are you drinking much?? It is hard and I get really depressed and discouraged.. Mythinking isn't so much like yur now but it used to be.. One of the the peeps started throwing all my stuff away one day cuz she hated me so much... damn
Posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 10:19:09
In reply to Re:being split, posted by muffled on December 9, 2007, at 23:39:30
Not sure what to advise you Muffled. It does sound like quite a lot of confusion going on. Maybe that kid is not so powerless afterall if this part of yourself is causing so much confusion.
I think it may be that that small part of yourself really wants to express itself, and has found someone in your T to do that with even though the other parts are not letting her to talk. I think you won't get any relief until that small part actually does talk and lets out what is bothering her. Easier said than done when we've built up all kinds of defenses, I know.
I can just say with my own regressed parts, that sometimes feels like a child in me, that child wanted to be heard and her pain and lonliness felt. I felt safe with my T to do that many times already, and actually this past weekend I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me and again that part needed to come out and say some stuff. Once I did let it come, my mind felt better.
As you said, we don't always know when these parts will come out - for me, I just get a sense that something is not going right and there seems like a 'block' in my mind that won't go away. Then it comes like it did this past weekend, or like it does when I go to some of my sessions.
You are used to others being hard on you or yourself being hard on yourself. It must be a strange new experience with your T who is always nice and gentle. There is a part of you that is attracted to that even if it can't accept it right now. It knows its good, so don't ignore it.
Why not ask your T why she doesn't just tell you to get your F'n act together. Explain to her the conflict you are feeling, that part of you wants and understands that and that part of you is unsure what to do with her "niceness". Her answers may make you feel more comfortable and help you understand better what she is trying to accomplish with you.
Posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 10:55:04
In reply to Re:being split, posted by muffled on December 9, 2007, at 23:39:30
The conflict within is still a conflict. And our fundamental reaction is either to retreat from the opposition or to clench our fists in preparation for the ensuing battle. The difference, is the two opposing forces in the inner conflict do not fatigue. Therefore, you can never outrun or outfight as a solution to these problems.
Your T remains at your side, neither fighting or fleeing. Being your support to carry you through. Follow that example. You and your T will eventually find the means in which your "peeps" can coexist.
Posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 11:02:14
In reply to Re:being split, posted by rskontos on December 10, 2007, at 8:25:41
> Muffled, I was thinking that this angry kid is probably trying to also hurt the other kids inside too. No I don't think you should try and make them go.
*sigh. I just get so tired of this...It was so great when I finally realized what was going on, everything started to make sense and it was wonderful. But they are peeps, and they are themselves, and i got to deal with these individuals, that live in this ADULT body, and should be adult, but they are NOT, and it just makes me crazy trying to keep in my head that they KIDS and I HAVE to relate to them as such or it doesn't work, they get upset.
>you should let T help and if that is only possible with letting T see her then let her.*sigh. I am so freaked. Mega freaked to try and do this :-(
I scared what if she has tears????????????? We NOT allowed that. Then there will be very great anger cuz we done wrong I fear. But maybe not. We DID say a bit bout the pic to T, and there was not great freak out. There was nothing, so it was OK. So mebbe it will be OK.
> And don't think i suggest this easily cuz I know how hard they are to let out.* It IS hard.
>If we keep them inside they will always bother us like little creepy ghosts inside our heads that never go away and play hide/seek with our minds. Once we let them out they can't hide so well or be so sneeky or be so secretive so see this is the only way to help ourselves.
*yeah, funny you should say ghosts, I often refer to it as being haunted.
>I think only T's knows for sure and maybe they dont always know know but hey they sure know more than us!!!!!!!!!
*yeah, I tend to doubt my T. But then I look back and she been pretty clever. She seems to be pretty gifted T wise. I think this peeps stuff is a stretch for her, but she is willing to consult w/another T as needed. I think its good for her to learn this stuff cuz then she can help others too.
> So I try it and I AM going to try again to let anyone out.**Good for Rsk. I think we BOTH are working very hard. And our T's too. Its alotta work.
> You are being really brave. I am proud of you. rk*You too Rsk, you too. Thank-you.
Sometimes it just makes me so sad that we goto do all this stuff :-(
Posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 11:09:22
In reply to Re:being split » muffled, posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 10:19:09
> It does sound like quite a lot of confusion going on. Maybe that kid is not so powerless afterall if this part of yourself is causing so much confusion.
*LOL, in some ways kids are so NOT powerless, ever see a 2 yr old freaking out his ma in the grocery store???!!! Power!
My kids had a dissociative Mom, so I just phased out....> I think it may be that that small part of yourself really wants to express itself, and has found someone in your T to do that with even though the other parts are not letting her to talk. I think you won't get any relief until that small part actually does talk and lets out what is bothering her. Easier said than done when we've built up all kinds of defenses, I know.
*Yeah, I gonna try. I just dunno if I can do it....but I gonna try. I sent T email telling her I not do so good and that she goto talk to kid and I don't know how to make it so.
> I can just say with my own regressed parts, that sometimes feels like a child in me, that child wanted to be heard and her pain and lonliness felt. I felt safe with my T to do that many times already, and actually this past weekend I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me and again that part needed to come out and say some stuff. Once I did let it come, my mind felt better.*How to you give your child a voice? Do you speak for hewr, or does she come out and talk?
> Why not ask your T why she doesn't just tell you to get your F'n act together.*actually I am getting SOOOOOOOOOOO way better at telling T what works anbd what doesn't. Poor T was fumbling in the dark a long time. She encourages me to give feedback and suggestions, in fact she is delighted. She don't get mad at all, and if her feeling are hurt, she don't show it.
Thanks for your input!
M
Posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 11:22:10
In reply to Re:being split)))))))))muffled, posted by star008 on December 10, 2007, at 9:37:22
> ahhh muffled..
*:-) ahhhh Star!!
> It is not that they consider us total idiots but they haven't seen us take care of ourselves or try to take care of them.. they have seen us be mean and say bad things about them.. yeah, they dont care to talk to us. Mine would rather talk to my T but when i split and she is there she doesn't say anything..She is just so scared toohust for too long. I told my t he will have to talk to them.. I can't always bring out who he wants but I usualy know who it is if one shows up.*yeah...I have had that one kid come out and she is mute. Theres another that comes out and laughs and laughs!!!!!
Sometimes its toughie, he/she is obvo. One time is was EP, not so obvo other than VERY still, like a snake ready to strike. High alert.
I get mixed up w/younger ones. Who is what or who???? I have primarily avoided them...but there are some I know. But its just so WEIRD to feel the kids and it just throws me entirely.
> This is going to take a long time to get through. For me, for you, and everone else who deals with all the peeps.. Yeah,, i knda like tht one too.. reminds me of the marshmallow easter chicks!!.. All the baby birds to take care of..*ya peeps, dunno who started that, was just recent but i like it!
Sigh, long time, lotsa money....is there a way of doing this more economically that you know? My T gives me a cut rate, but still, it adds up...
> My t gets frustrated but not with me.. just the situation and that T's don't alwys know what to do
> LIke they try this and try that we just don't respond like th text book says we should..lol*ROFL!!! I just love your humour! Ya my T has said that I am 'challenging', and that yes I do frustrate her at times, and that I am STUBBORN!!!ROFL!!! (((( T )))) I LOVE that my T is straight up w/me, cuz then I can be straight up w/her, and I can trust her then.
> Gotta watch the addictions muffs... they will slow you down and f..ck up your head..Are you drinking much?? It is hard and I get really depressed and discouraged.. Mythinking isn't so much like yur now but it used to be.. One of the the peeps started throwing all my stuff away one day cuz she hated me so much... damn
*ohhhh. Don't ask. I feel like I am inexorably heading for a crash in slow motion :-( I don't care bout me, but I don't wanto shame my hubby, and I need to be here for my kids.
So Star, where you at now? How would you describe your journey so far? Maybe it would be helpful for me? so I can try and not make same mistakes or mebbe theres shortcuts or SOMEthing. I am LAZY. I want it to be easy.
I have no emotions-I dunno who said that but they wanted to so WTF.
Thanks.
M
Posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 11:24:31
In reply to Re:being split, posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 10:55:04
> Therefore, you can never outrun or outfight as a solution to these problems.
*Good point.
> Your T remains at your side, neither fighting or fleeing. Being your support to carry you through. Follow that example. You and your T will eventually find the means in which your "peeps" can coexist.*THank you for encouragement.
That was VERY well said.
I am going to write it down and look at it B4 I try and get kid to come out.
Nice to meet you.
Muffled
Posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 11:46:34
In reply to Re:being split » lovelorn, posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 11:09:22
>*LOL, in some ways kids are so NOT powerless, ever see a 2 yr old freaking out his ma in the grocery store???!!! Power!
Yes. I was going to mention have you ever seen a kid not get what it wants! It will scream and fuss and cry and "disrupt" as much as it can until gets soothed somehow. Unfortunately, if that kid gets abused or suffers a trauma, it will eventually go quiet with all its pain. When that happens to us, it goes away but is not forgotten and will come back.
>*How to you give your child a voice? Do you speak for hewr, or does she come out and talk?
Well, it starts in the mind. Since I've had my breakdowns there is a part of my mind that surfaced. Really broken and it feels almost retarded. And it is, in the sense, that is a very undeveloped part of the mind, pre-verbal and relies heavily on emotion. From the emotion though, my mind gets out words. It can be a scary place to be because it feels like I will get stuck in that regressed part. Through therapy though, I've been able to go there and the T has been good in making me realize that I am not stuck there. She brings me back to reality by noting that I am not "there", that I am in her office, I am grown up, etc. Anyway, the voice comes by feeling the emotions and sometimes the words are kind of blubbery and babble like. It usually involves my young part calling for its mother and wanting to go home. Two big traumatic things that happened to me when I was separated from a young age from my real mother. That is the big painful and traumatic hole in me. When I do just let myself "break down" to that mindset, there is the adult me kind of in the background now and I realize that this is just an emotion and a need to be heard that I am going through. The adult me steps back and lets this broken part of me babble if she needs to babble and to express her sadness and what it is that is paining her and what it is she needs and wants. Then I give myself some mental comfort to that wounded part of me. It's only recently that I can accept doing this, or that I have control over it. Before, when I didn't understand it as well, it really did feel like I would get stuck in that regressed part and it was embarrassing to let out and all that. Felt like something was really wrong with me. I am understanding and seeing now it is just the broken part that is looking to be heard and to get healed.
I don't know how much more I will need to go "there" sort of to speak, but I am noticing it gets a little less each time I let it happen and hear what is going on, and of course talking with my T about it.
>actually I am getting SOOOOOOOOOOO way better at telling T what works anbd what doesn't.
Well, that is good as we know our own responses and what we go through best. As well though, it is also alright to ask sometimes what she can suggest that might also work or help based on what you tell her. My T has been good with making certain suggestions over time that have helped me too.
Posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 12:01:48
In reply to Re:being split, posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 11:46:34
That was a WONDERFUL description Lovelorn.
Thank you too for trusting and sharing your trauma :-( (((Lovelorn)))
So that inner kid is NOT separate? But she must be, cuz she is herself? But you are aware of her enuf to let her out.
You know that she is you in a previous time? That kid. Is there just one? Does she know you are there then as you comfort her?
I'm so sorry, if it distresses you don't answer this post at all.
I am just ever curious bout this insdie kid stuff, and you seem to have a slightly different angle on it, and so I am curious. I think there is not enuf trained bout inner peeps and stuff. I think there is more than people know with peeps in the general population.
Anyhow.
Thats why I get so many questions.
Thanx, and don't answer if upsetting OK?
M
Posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 13:04:03
In reply to Re:being split » lovelorn, posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 12:01:48
>That was a WONDERFUL description Lovelorn.
Thank you too for trusting and sharing your trauma :-( (((Lovelorn)))Thanks Muffled. And thanks for the hug. I can share it now as I understand myself and that part of myself better and as I've healed some. It wouldn't have been as easy a year ago!
>So that inner kid is NOT separate? But she must be, cuz she is herself? But you are aware of her enuf to let her out.
You know that she is you in a previous time? That kid. Is there just one? Does she know you are there then as you comfort her?Actually, I do experience my younger, regressed part differently than you. It is a separate part of my functioning mind, and yes when I feel that part of my mind and the emotions that go with it, it can seem like it is a 'little person' all its own but I don't go so far as experiencing her as completely separate from me. I have this part and I put a visual to it, a visual that is still me and not completely separate. I recognize it's me, just a different part of my mind and emotion. Interestingly enough, I don't view it as me in a previous time. It feels like it sometimes but I am realizing it is and has always been part of me, even now. Since I experience it now, it is part of me now. What it is feeling emotionally and processing mentally is from a previous time, but it is still part of who I am now and it expresses needs I need to fulfill and answer now too in a different way. Obviously I can't go back in time and undo the damage in reality and provide it what it needed back then. I have to understand and heal it now and do what I can in the now to help heal that part. I know that may sound a bit confusing or complicated. I don't dissociate or completely split off as you and some others do. There is a mental, emotional and memory thread that connects me to my adult and young, regressed mind so that I know and sense it is all me.
There is just one, yes. And yes, as I begin to visualise more, "she" or that part of my hurt mind knows I am there as I comfort her. My mind makes nice feelings and nice images of myself comforting my smaller self. I used to see that part as a child me; however, now I am beginning to see that part as an adult me, only smaller or I mix the images between child and small adult or sometimes even as me and a bird representing the small/child part of me.
>I'm so sorry, if it distresses you don't answer this post at all.
I am glad to share what I can, now that I can.
>I am just ever curious bout this insdie kid stuff, and you seem to have a slightly different angle on it ...
Yes, just like you have a different angle on it and some others which I find interesting.
>Thanx, and don't answer if upsetting OK?
No, I don't answer if I believe it will be upsetting or possibly triggering. Thanks for the concern though, muffled.
Posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 13:27:32
In reply to Re:being split » Bodhisattva, posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 11:24:31
I doubt you need to "try" to get the kid to come out. The patient approach is often the best path when interacting with a child. Wait until a confrontation is imminent, then remain patient throughout it's duration.
Confusion, Frustration, and Infuriation are often products of misguided perception. If we look at our feet we miss what is on the horizon. Look everywhere and take stock of how you arrived, where you are going, and where you want to be.
It's good to meet you as well Muffled. Lets try and find a better place, together.
Posted by sunnydays on December 10, 2007, at 14:41:17
In reply to Re:being split)))))))))muffled, posted by muffled on December 10, 2007, at 11:22:10
Oh dear... I'm losing it... I read the part where you said your T gave you a "cut rate" and read "cute rat", and I thought, "Oh, that's nice, muffled's T gave her a stuffed animal," without a thought.
I'm sorry you're struggling. But you have improved SOOOOO much in being able to figure this stuff out.
sunnydays
Posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 14:54:14
In reply to Re:being split, posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 10:55:04
>The conflict within is still a conflict. And our fundamental reaction is either to retreat from the opposition or to clench our fists in preparation for the ensuing battle. The difference, is the two opposing forces in the inner conflict do not fatigue. Therefore, you can never outrun or outfight as a solution to these problems.
Just wanted to say this is very well said as it seems very much like those are the two options : outrun or outfight. You get awfully tired of both. It makes perfect sense.
>Your T remains at your side, neither fighting or fleeing. Being your support to carry you through. Follow that example. You and your T will eventually find the means in which your "peeps" can coexist.
Also well said; for my own self, I think it has been in large part the example of my T remaining at my side that I am better able to control my internal 'peep'/conflict as it were, with a part of me being that role for my own self and remaining at my side through whatever it is I need to experience/put myself through and not feel as if no one is there and that somehow I am lost or will get lost forever going where I need to go.
Posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 15:08:04
In reply to Re:being split » Bodhisattva, posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 14:54:14
Lovelorn, if you are lost then I am lost with you. If we are on a journey that will never end I'm glad to have your company.
This cannot be a lonely road, if everyone is here with you.
Posted by rskontos on December 10, 2007, at 16:55:58
In reply to Re:being split, posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 10:55:04
Bodhisaatva,
>>The conflict within is still a conflict. And our fundamental reaction is either to retreat from the opposition or to clench our fists in preparation for the ensuing battle. The difference, is the two opposing forces in the inner conflict do not fatigue. Therefore, you can never outrun or outfight as a solution to these problems.
I have spent so much time trying to do this so I must say first. Wow, you have really summed it up well. And you are so right. I have tried to run from all these voices. Last night they got so loud I tried to cover my ears as if that would help. LOL. Like they aren't inside my head but you try anything because I wanted to watch tv and damned if I know what they wanted to do so the pitch reached an unbelieveable level. I looked over to see if the dogs could hear it or anyone else in the other rooms. They couldn't. Right now it is a dull roar I am used to. So now I am trying to invite a sitdown at a peace table so that we can deflate this conflict but this is hard.
>>Your T remains at your side, neither fighting or fleeing. Being your support to carry you through. Follow that example. You and your T will eventually find the means in which your "peeps" can coexist. >>
It is hard because not everyone agrees with this. Not all peeps like T. They think she lies like all adults. So it is hard. But I keep trying well I say I do. I think I do. And T knows to keep trying.
Oh yeah, welcome in case I haven't meet ya yet. rsk
Posted by rskontos on December 10, 2007, at 17:03:27
In reply to Re:being split, posted by lovelorn on December 10, 2007, at 11:46:34
>>Yes. I was going to mention have you ever seen a kid not get what it wants! It will scream and fuss and cry and "disrupt" as much as it can until gets soothed somehow. Unfortunately, if that kid gets abused or suffers a trauma, it will eventually go quiet with all its pain. When that happens to us, it goes away but is not forgotten and will come back.>>
**This is so true Lovelorn. ONe of mine did this at Therapy and boy was I embarassed. I usually go away when I switch but this day I stayed kinda like hovering in a corner to watch and hear but couldn't do anything like tell her to stop that. Afterwards I was so embarrassed I cried fo r hours at hours and for days later. Each time I typed it here or read posts. It upset me even though I knew I needed to show my peeps to my T. ( I have been the one to use this but not the author of the phrase. I am drawing a blank on that maybe I will remember) T thought we made great progress that day I looked at her like she had horns and wings. Too many parts of me didn't like that day. I still dont know like muffled how to let them out and I am suppose to be working on control to do that. My Therapy homework. But I am not going to get a passing grade this week.
I found your posts very interesting and helpful. Thanks for sharing. rsk
Posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 17:47:20
In reply to Re:being split, posted by rskontos on December 10, 2007, at 16:55:58
Liars. Those that attempt to change reality with words are not to be feared or hated. Merely pitied.
Be calm and careful, and you will know what is real and what is not.
Rskontos, know that those voices will work with you. They exist in anguish, they are loud because they are in pain. They know that you can bring them an end to that. Stubborn as they may be, be patient with them. They often forget that they wish to be happy.
Posted by rskontos on December 10, 2007, at 18:37:12
In reply to Re:being split » rskontos, posted by Bodhisattva on December 10, 2007, at 17:47:20
>>They exist in anguish, they are loud because they are in pain. They know that you can bring them an end to that. Stubborn as they may be, be patient with them. They often forget that they wish to be happy.
Now you have said a mouthful and you said so well. They do forget they want to be happy!!!! I am not sure they ever knew that being happy was an option. Survival was all they thought about and happiness was not even a glimmer in the eye. And that is the goal that they and I must keep mind.
Thank you for your words. They really help.....rsk
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