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Posted by canadagirl on October 15, 2006, at 14:38:58
In reply to anyone, posted by ElaineM on October 14, 2006, at 19:49:35
Sending caring thoughts to you. No, you are definitely NOT infectious. Other than your infectious spirit of kindness and compassion for others that I have seen here, even in the midst of your own pain.
Posted by fayeroe on October 15, 2006, at 19:38:28
In reply to more2 * abuse trig, posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 12:48:50
Elaine, I don't know you and I hope you won't mind my jumping into the thread.....I can feel that you are in a lot of pain right now and I wish I could do something to help you out. I could bring tea and we could just sit and relax for awhile.
When I have the intrusive thoughts, I turn to music. If I can't sleep I play a favourite CD pretty loud right by the head of the bed so that I have to pay attention to the lyrics. That might help you. A hot bath, as Li suggested, helps me at times.
You "T" worries me. It sounds as if you're taking care of him more than he caring for you. That can turn into a really sticky situation as you aren't able to heal him.
He has to turn to someone else and confide in a another professional. He also needs to realize what a tremendous burden he is putting up you, his patient. I suggest, gently, that you consider seeing someone else before your situation gets any worse.
Good Luck, Pat
Posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 20:05:53
In reply to Re: more2 * abuse trig » ElaineM, posted by Lindenblüte on October 15, 2006, at 13:40:27
>>>The fact that you've been able to live through so much is a great testament to your strength and bravery.
T says that alot. He says I'm brave too, and he wants me to teach him to live with emotional pain the way I have. I've told him that it makes me want to scream when he says that, cause all it takes to be that paralyzed is years of helplessness and a lack of hope. He always says he admires my perseverance. I've felt more like I'm just being dragged along by the current. And I've told him that (before I got sick) I'd always liked pain, so I can take alot. Plus I have a kinda freeze response to alot of things, and then I just act/speak like how the other person wants.
>>>>>The latter has been my therapy. I'm kind of depressed this weekend. It's really hard for me to get my work done, and I have a really bad week coming up. So? I don't know what to tell you. Just hang in there, and know that we love you too :)
I can't do alot of stuff anymore. But I try. I try to walk when I can.
I'm sorry you feel so depressed. This week coming is gonna be bad for me too. (I haven't posted that part yet)I've refused to take any more psychotropics. I've never found any to have a noticeable effect when taking them - except when coming off. I have had seroquel recommended before (they had everyone on that in ED treatment. It's a popular drug) but I don't want it. Also, I have a pretty huge fear of medications (all kinds) - even antibiotics. It's taken alot for me to comply with all the tooth medications all summer. And now with this other infection....I think this has also been contributing to my panic levels. I'm still skeptical of ativan - still a bit frightening. But I'm not bad at taking it now - though I think I just get a placebo effect from it. T was the one who got me to finally test painkillers. I couldn't do it before. This fear/mild phobia was something LadyT was working with me on.
I'll be thinking of you all this week. I'll try and be strong cause I know you'll be doing the same.
blove, EL
Posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 20:11:20
In reply to Re: anyone » ElaineM, posted by canadagirl on October 15, 2006, at 14:38:58
caraher, CG, I blove you both. You're both always caring posters.
Sometimes, when I'm in a good period, I find the board the same as LadyT was. Like I say my scary thoughts, or tell sad things, and you guys say that you can hear that I am sad/scared/nervous, and care. And then I can tell that you're listening and hearing what I'm saying. And then I'm not completely alone.
Posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 20:27:17
In reply to Re: more2 * abuse trig » ElaineM, posted by fayeroe on October 15, 2006, at 19:38:28
Hi fayeroe, I don't ever mind anyone jumping in. You sound like my old T too. I'd like to have tea with you too. I drink tons of it. And I listen to music and do the same thing as you by focusing on singing or saying the lyrics -- sometimes I can re-focus myself. Sometimes it makes me sad cause I can't dance anymore, but I just try and not listen to theater music.
>>>>You "T" worries me. It sounds as if you're taking care of him more than he caring for you. That can turn into a really sticky situation as you aren't able to heal him.
I'm trying to. I figure I cause him so much pain that the least I can do is try and help soothe him or something. I just find it hard to spend time together outside the office. Even though it would help him not be lonely or sad, it scares the sh*t out of me. I feel sort of safe inside his office. I'm already so close to screaming during sessions. Either that or I just lie there like I've been shot (when I manage to come to him during a bad pain time). I just can't stop thinking terrifying thoughts, and I think he's picking up on it, and it hurts him more. I care for him alot but I just can't say the L word. It's too hard. And it makes bad thoughts come more.
>>>>He has to turn to someone else and confide in a another professional. He also needs to realize what a tremendous burden he is putting up you, his patient.
He did start to see one of his old T's, but he's not gonna keep going, and he's not gonna talk about me. (I may have said more details about this earlier, but maybe not, too lazy to re-read)
>>>>>I suggest, gently, that you consider seeing someone else before your situation gets any worse.
Pat, it's amazing that you said that at the very end, cause that's what the final part of my update was about, and why this week coming could be hard, and what I need help with. But I haven't decided if I can write it out cause I'm afraid - though I'll probably just blurt it anyways.
Thanks for the support.
blove, EL
Posted by muffled on October 15, 2006, at 21:11:13
In reply to Re: more2 » fayeroe, posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 20:27:17
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 15, 2006, at 21:11:34
In reply to Re: more2 * abuse trig » Lindenblüte, posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 20:05:53
Hey Elaine,
PLEASE take your antibiotics. Your kidneys are a very important part of your body. You are going to need them the rest of your life. You know, when my dad's kidney's are acting up, the first symptom is always an increase in emotionality. SO! just becuase you may think of them as useless pee-processors, they are actually the detox centers for your entire body. If you are thinking about changing or stopping your meds, you should do this with the help of a professional. If you've decided to do it on your own, please be smart and listen to the voice inside that tells you if you're in danger.The reason why your T is never going to be able to learn to live with fear the way you do (and dare I say myself) is because he didn't go to the same "school" we did. 17 years of that "education" will teach you a lot of acting skills. And a lot of "coping" skills too. Unfortunately when school lets out, we find out we maybe have stuff to learn yet.
(((((((((((Elaine))))))))))))
take care of yourself. I'm worried about you.
Finish the prescription of the antibiotics. trust me- only taking half the pills will only kill the wimpy bacteria. The strong ones remain and multiply. Then you may get I.V. antibiotics. yuck.
((((((((((((kidneys))))))))))))))
drink lots of herbal tea and water, and rest. Get lots of rest.(((((((Elaine))))))))
hugs for you. Even if you like pain, I know there's a little part of you that appreciates a friendly hug from someone who cares.
love,
lindenblossom
Posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 22:40:23
In reply to Re: more2 * abuse trig » ElaineM, posted by Lindenblüte on October 15, 2006, at 21:11:34
I promise I will. I am. Don't worry (((Li))) I'm working hard to do what doctors say. I'd probably do anything a doctor said. Or at least try. When I get wishing for death I sometimes get the urge to throw out all my pills and never go to another doctor again. But I've been so good this summer with AB. I've never been on such a long string of them. Though this is the first physician to prescribe them - it's only been dentists before :( I have a hard time fighting the urge to turn away from believing in doctors cause they keep letting me down. But I will finish the pills that young-doc gave me. I promise you. Plus IV's are yucky and I wouldn't want one. And I think of LadyDoc, and she would want me to take medicine - if she doesn't hate me now.
>>>>hugs for you. Even if you like pain, I know there's a little part of you that appreciates a friendly hug from someone who cares.
You are right :"( ((((((Li)))))) I like training myself to feel that way. But I like safe hugs - even though that's scary to say. What happens when you admit that you like hugging trustful people and then the hugs don't ever come. I fear I've spent a whole life conditioning myself to accept the wrong things.
You take care too. You wear your gloves and I will take the huge pills.
I don't know how much I'll post now. T is back and he sent a scary (not violent scary) email. I'm scared. He is upset that I've been missing sessions cause of doc and dentist appointments. (I had an unsuccessful, second! round of endo done on rootcanal#2 last week. He may want to pull it :-( I'm gonna beg for one more round.) But he says I'm not proving that I want to be coming to see him. I sent him one back saying sorry and explaining more what's going on in my head, but he hasn't returned it.
I did have something pretty big to say but I keep feeling like sh*t. I was kinda glad he was home before. I wasn't expecting that message :-( I feel guilty so much for speaking. Maybe I should train myself to not need to post stuff on the board like I do to think I like pain - but who will I get help from then.
blove, EL
ps. (((((mufflie))))
Posted by muffled on October 15, 2006, at 22:44:37
In reply to Re: more2 » Lindenblüte, posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 22:40:23
Posted by caraher on October 16, 2006, at 6:32:24
In reply to Re: more2 » Lindenblüte, posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 22:40:23
> I don't know how much I'll post now. T is back and he sent a scary (not violent scary) email. I'm scared. He is upset that I've been missing sessions cause of doc and dentist appointments. (I had an unsuccessful, second! round of endo done on rootcanal#2 last week. He may want to pull it :-( I'm gonna beg for one more round.) But he says I'm not proving that I want to be coming to see him.
I'm sorry, but what a huge a$$hole! Here you are with all this medical $hit, that he knows about, and he's trying to guilt trip you for not seeing him when you're seeing doctors and dentists? What a colossal jerk!
You don't owe him a lick of "proof you want to see him." Whether he's your T or your friend. That just shows how sick he must be (if you're inclined to be more charitable toward him than I am!). Tell him I said so! (OK, I know you probably don't want to even hint that you talk about him - just challenge him about that. Does he want you to get sicker and lose all your teeth? That doesn't sound like a very loving wish!)
How about if he shows some proof that he wants what's good for you instead of desiring to control all your actions and cater to his needs? Not that he hasn't done some good things on your behalf... my point is (partly) that you could, with even more justice, level the charge against him that he hasn't "proven" that he values your needs.
He really seems to view you as his personal property. This is just another form of abuse, no matter how much sentimental window dressing comes with it. He might not be aware of how bad it is, since he's so caught up in his own feelings and getting his own emotional needs met.
In case you can't tell, I'm angry with him right now!
Random thought - do you go to a church or have any religious affiliation? Perhaps something like that could be a source of counseling or at least a sympathetic ear outside the medical establishment (i.e. among people you won't be afraid know your T).
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 8:27:27
In reply to Re: more2 » Lindenblüte, posted by ElaineM on October 15, 2006, at 22:40:23
>>But I will finish the pills that young-doc gave me. I promise you.
Oh Good- That's very good, Elaine. I hope this young doc is a good listener. Do you have a follow-up appt. with him? You migh ask his opinion on some other health concerns you have. I don't know what your health concerns are (besides the dental stuff) but it sounds like you have something else going on too. Maybe ask young doc for a second opinion? He sounds like a good listener-- and he asks questions too, which is really important.
> You are right :"( ((((((Li)))))) I like training myself to feel that way. But I like safe hugs - even though that's scary to say. What happens when you admit that you like hugging trustful people and then the hugs don't ever come. I fear I've spent a whole life conditioning myself to accept the wrong things.
Well, it's really important that you recognize the fact that you've been brainwashed (no- you haven't been 'conditioning yourself' Kids don't condition themselves. They react to their environment and try to survive the best they can. You never created this set of reactions "on purpose". They are a side effect of being human, and being raised the way you were.
I've been brainwashed too. Maybe we have learned to accomodate certain things as "expectable" but that doesn't mean that they are "acceptable".
My final session with my old T was really important. I told him that I was starting to realize how thorough the brainwashing was, and how I had been told things and taught things my whole life that lead me to my current state of psychological disarray. I proclaimed "I've been brainwashed" he said "That's exactly right". I said "I've had to be an actress to survive my childhood" He said "Yes, you've had to pretend that things were okay, even though they weren't" And then there was this liberating moment when I realized that I DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ACTRESS ANYMORE!! Okay, well, it felt amazing. To realize that I have a choice in the matter. Baby steps, though. Figuring out what part of my upbringing constitutes acceptable and adaptive ways of dealing with my adult world. Figuring out which "brainwashed actressy bits" can be laid to rest.
It's really tough, Elaine. I'm sorry that your T doesn't allow you the freedom in your session to explore what will happen if you actually speak from your heart (i.e. don't pretend, or be an actress). It's super scary. You're exactly right.
To admit that maybe hugs are nice and that you appreciate them... Well, I'm happy to give them, 'cause I know that hugs make the hugger feel better too. ((((((hugger & huggee))))))
> You take care too. You wear your gloves and I will take the huge pills.
you betcha. I did last night. hands are smooth and soft and pink.
> I don't know how much I'll post now. T is back and he sent a scary (not violent scary) email. I'm scared. He is upset that I've been missing sessions cause of doc and dentist appointments. (I had an unsuccessful, second! round of endo done on rootcanal#2 last week. He may want to pull it :-( I'm gonna beg for one more round.) But he says I'm not proving that I want to be coming to see him. I sent him one back saying sorry and explaining more what's going on in my head, but he hasn't returned it.
>
> I did have something pretty big to say but I keep feeling like sh*t. I was kinda glad he was home before. I wasn't expecting that message :-( I feel guilty so much for speaking. Maybe I should train myself to not need to post stuff on the board like I do to think I like pain - but who will I get help from then.
Well, you post when you're ready. Don't force it. You don't "owe" us anything. Just tell us what you need to, in order to get the support you deserve. If you feel like you need pain, you can post that. I know *I* have. On at least 3 separate occasions I asked babblers to abuse me. yeah, not my proudest moments. I still go back to that way of thinking from time to time. I want to be punished. Why? Why do I need to feel punished? I'm really not sure why. Part of it is because my particular brainwashers asked me never to tell secrets. I had new secrets to keep all the time, and old secrets that festered and became necrotic memories. So, when I tell personal things to babble, "secrets" I feel like I'm in a position to deserve and expect punishment, and I even have a part of me that desires that it be meted out, simply for the sake of consistency, so that I can understand the world.> ps. (((((mufflie))))
yeah, I second that (((((((((muffled)))))))))
and ((((((((((((gentle safe hugs for Elaine))))))))))
love,
Lindenblüte****************DENTAL TRIGGERS BELOW!!!*******
p.s. the endo procedure I had 3 years ago is still going strong. Involved 3 shots of novocaine, making incision in gum, and cleaning out the infection from the root end and placing a filling in the cap of the roots directly. Getting the granulation tissue out (that's the tissue that kind of fills in the absessed space- but it can kind of go haywire and forget to stop growing- highly susceptible to infection, etc etc.) I had this done by an oral surgeon. I paid out of pocket 650 US dollars. It took 45 minutes, was incredibly easy, because there was only a second of drilling. My crowns were left intact- which saves a LOT of money. I have 2 teeth with roots that have twisted curvy branched canals. This is the only procedure which has "stuck". 4 stiches, and I had to come back a week later to get the stiches removed. Some minimal swelling, and of course I was on narcotic pain relievers for several days.Ask about this approach, and whether it would work for you. It may be that the infection is hiding out somewhere past the end of the root, and just hanging out until it runs out of room, and then it decides to go back into your root again.
Posted by ElaineM on October 16, 2006, at 10:50:34
In reply to Re: more2 **CA triggers, mild** » ElaineM, posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 8:27:27
He sent me an email saying he will respond later today.
Caraher and Li, I can't reply to your answers yet. I'm in so much agony. I can't stand up. It never goes away. It hurts to sit up from lying down. It hurts my stomach to lift knee to step into pants - I had to hold it up with my other hand. It hurts to cough, and sneeze. It hurts to drink enough water to get the horse pills down. I can't stand it. He didn't think I'd need a follow-up so we didn't make one, but I'm going in just after lunch, and I'm hoping I'll be sent to the hospital. But my worst fear is being trapped there like family members I watched die, and STILL not have any relief come. I WANT LadyDoc! :""(
I'm so scared. I can't stand it - it's only been getting worse since August. I don't know how to speak for myself anymore. I get so panicked that I have five minutes to say the right things to fight for my health, that I just give in and turn silent. I'm going to bring my sheet of procedures and symptom-developement, but I always bring it (except last time) and they NEVER want to take the time to read it.
oh god, it's never going to go away. I have a high pain tolerance too (I can get regular, smaller cavities filled without novocaine) but there's never any break and it's grinding me to dust.
I'm scared to go. I can't think except to say, "I HURT!"I wish you were here with me Li. Caraher, I wish you could come with me, and make them help - if help is even possible. THis is taking too long.
Oh god, I'm so afraid :"(I love you guys. EL
Posted by muffled on October 16, 2006, at 11:28:42
In reply to hurting **trigger, posted by ElaineM on October 16, 2006, at 10:50:34
El, I praying for you.
If you don't like it, tell me to stop.
There IS a higher power out there.
The idea of a church related t is not bad.
My T is pastoral type. But only will talk religion if YOU want. If a client don't want no religion she TOTALLY respects that.
Church type T's are just human too.
But mines a winner.
She works on sliding scale too.
Mebbe you could find a T like my T, and that T could advocate for you on your behalf.
El.
Your T.
Forget that.
Just I hope you can get into hosp.
Soon.
Take care,
Muffled
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 15:18:27
In reply to Re: hurting **trigger » ElaineM, posted by muffled on October 16, 2006, at 11:28:42
Hi Elaine,
I'm with you. I'll be there. Say you cannot move, to get up to the bathroom, or to swallow your pills.If you can't move- you'll be hospitalized.
I assume we're talking kidney infection hospitalization, 'cause that sounds like about the right amount of pain for a major kidney infection.
Seriously, my kidneys just let me know that they remember the last time they were sick. I have SYMPATHY. I can literally feel my kidneys kicking right now. That kind of pain. yes. I know it.
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Elaine))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))That's how many hugs you need. Call an ambulance if you can't make it to the doctors. Seriously. You need urgent care.
-Li
I'm there with you. I'll bring you some peach colored roses for your hospital room. They are really pretty.
If I don't hear from you for a bit, I will assume that you're getting some treatment.
Posted by LadyBug on October 16, 2006, at 19:02:21
In reply to hurting **trigger, posted by ElaineM on October 16, 2006, at 10:50:34
(((((((((((((((((((EL)))))))))))))))))))))))
I wish I could hug your pain away!!!! I would in a heart beat. I hope you are getting the treatment you need right now. You can't last with this much pain going on in your body. I'm praying for ya too. Maybe you don't believe in prayer but I do. I'm so sorry you're suffering so much. You are loved and cared about more than you know.
I'll bring you a big soft teddy bear to hug and stay by your side to help make you feel better. I have one by my bed and she's been with me when I've had my surgeries. Her name is Sam and she's a help for me. Right now she has a witches costume on for Halloween, she's so cute!
I wish you well. Let us know what happens next if you can. Take care my friend.
LadyBug
Posted by ElaineM on October 16, 2006, at 20:09:02
In reply to Re: hurting **trigger » ElaineM, posted by LadyBug on October 16, 2006, at 19:02:21
I got an email from T. It was like only 15 sentences long :( but he said I sounded so upset that he was sorry for adding to it. He said he will never send me away. He told me to take three ativans at once if the doc wouldn't do anything. I'm afraid of it cause I usually only take half, or one. Three it so scary so I took two when I go home and felt a little dopey.
I didn't even mention but I was so desperate for someone familiar that I sent a raving email off to LadyDoc a couple of nights ago. She responded but with three sentences and it felt like my heart was breaking. But I guess I can't ask her to go against her rules - though I wasn't asking for treatment, but maybe any talking counts as though it were therapy. I don't know. I try and spin it by thinking that she didn't *have* to respond at all. :( But it still hurt.
=====
I wasn't allowed to be seen at the docs today because of how I've recently seen others. I thought I was only testing, but apparently you can't qualify for their services if you've been treated by others. I came home, wrote T what happened, and cried for a long time. Took the ativan and slept for a little. It's so hard to drink. The sick part of my head thinks, well maybe I'll lose weight. Though when I think of which I'd ultimately always have more, weight becomes insignificant. T is upset cause he doesn't know what to do for me. I can't stand how hard this all is. I'm waiting for an ultrasound appointment that was made for me the first time, though I don't think I'll be able to stand the pressure of the wand. It's at the end of the month too! I don't know what the f*ck people do - how do people not suffer long term damage, or worse - how can stuff take so long.
I'm in so much pain. I hope that I'm brave enough to go to the hospital if I think it's time. Though I can't imagine ever calling an ambulance. I can't express how much I ache for LadyDoc. I feel like my world completely fell apart by having to leave her. It kinda makes me nauceous when I think of her - like I wanna throw up my sadness. I'm sooo sad. Maybe the ativan is good because I'm getting a bit frantic about not being able to get some help.
I'm supposed to have my dentist call and check on me to see if the re-rootcanal magically settled down. But last time he said that I let a month pass cause he never called. I have my fingers crossed. I hope if he wants to see me that I don't look so ill that I seem really disgusting and ugly cause I'll need him to pity me to attempt a third round instead of pulling it. I'll never ever ever leave my house again if it's pulled. Never. I can't afford an implant. I hope I can look helpless -- I definately look pathetic, but that's different. I hope so much that he checks on me, and that I don't just burst into tears before explaining that nothing has improved.
It really really helps me hearing your support. Especially the little visualization scenes - it makes me a bit sad that they could never happen, but mostly it makes me feel appreciative of you all.
The third part of my update, that I was afraid to say before isn't happening now -- it kind of collapsed since I got so ill. I was pretty close though. I'll explain some other time if it ever becomes relevant again.
I love you all so much.
(((((((babble friends))))))))
Posted by ElaineM on October 17, 2006, at 12:17:44
In reply to Re: self-centered jerk, posted by caraher on October 16, 2006, at 6:32:24
>>>>I'm sorry, but what a huge a$$hole! Here you are with all this medical $hit, that he knows about, and he's trying to guilt trip you for not seeing him when you're seeing doctors and dentists? What a colossal jerk!
He apoligized. He said that sometimes he just gets so angry that he can't do something himself to fix me that he doesn't realize that his frustration could come out in a way that would hurt me more. But he said sorry for questioning my commitment to him - he even said my ability to get to him as much as I do it this type of pain actually proves I have a very strong commitment.
>>>>>Tell him I said so!
No way. That would be rude - like me mentioning Scott so much, and wanting to email him. Plus I already mentioned youngDoc. I don't ever like saying anything aggressive or ungrateful either. It is always better to go with the flow. I feel too weak to be so bold. Plus I never have been that way ever in my life.
>>>>>Does he want you to get sicker and lose all your teeth? That doesn't sound like a very loving wish!
I know you don't want me defending him, but he always wants to come to my tests with me -- I just always chicken out and not let him. ANd with my teeth, he offers ALL the time to pay for them - well, to loan me money for them. I just have always felt strange with the idea of taking money. Small presents are gestures, but that much cash would be like a contract or something. Plus I don't think I'd ever be able to pay him back. He would definately lose his money. Though if this tooth had to be pulled, I would take any alternative to be able to get an implant. Cause without one I'd never leave my house, and probably kill myself. The BDD stuff is bad enough as it is. Plus I've already had to accomodate a small limp. I'm too ugly already. Anyways, he does seem to want to help that way.
>>>>>>He might not be aware of how bad it is
I guess not. Cause he would never hurt me on purpose. He only loves. He does catch on sometimes, or after I respond about something, and he apoligizes, and I can see how the mistake made sense.
>>>>>>>In case you can't tell, I'm angry with him right now!
I can tell. It's strange. You don't sound like you. But it is a restrained anger, and it is motivated by caring, and I know you're dear, so I'm not scared of it. I'm not. I know this will sound really stubborn and stupid of me, but I can't help but feel sad for T when you're mad at him :( I've found that my head is really messed up - it changes opinion so fast, moment to moment. He says something scary to me, and I'm afriad and want to hide or run to someone else, and I forget all the nice things he's done and how much he loves me. Then when i feel he's being attacked, or he does something nice in the moment, or says something nice, or is sooo sad, I forget ever being afraid, or confused or torn. And when I say forget, I mean nearly totally obliterated. I think I am too much of a camellion. Like I only live in the exact moment, and my brain doesn't hold the past in mind to keep others accountable, or think of the future enough to have faith or foresight. And I'm so afraid of ultimately doing the wrong thing, and distrust all my perceptions so thoroughly, that I've become paralyzed. (way before him)
>>>>>>>do you go to a church or have any religious affiliation? Perhaps something like that could be a source of counseling or at least a sympathetic ear outside the medical establishment (i.e. among people you won't be afraid know your T).
I don't, but it's strange that you say that. I sometimes think that some of you can read my mind.
Caraher, I appreciate your "energy", it makes me feel protected - or as much as you can over the internet. (((((caraher)))))
My sister!!! came over this morning. She took half a day off of work to drive here to give me her percocet. She doesn't need them anymore. THey work better for me I think. Or I don't know, maybe I'm out of it. THey are letting me sit a longtime today to type. I feel bad when I can't write to others (though I know I don't have to feel bad). I still can't do all the things I mentioned yesterday (like the pants and stuff) and it still hurts like h*ll but it's taken away the acid-like bite to the stabs. AND I have been able to drink more today. I'm a bit afraid about introducing a new pill, but I really don't have a choice at all. It is hard enough to take one pill, but REALLY hard for me to take two or more at a time. But I need to try so I can tolerate being awake.
blove EL.
Posted by ElaineM on October 17, 2006, at 12:42:00
In reply to Re: more2 **CA triggers, mild** » ElaineM, posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 8:27:27
>>>>>>Getting the granulation tissue out
Granulation tissue, is that something that he would be able to plainly see when he opened up a canal. He only opened up one of the front canals last time (against my wishes, cause I begged him to try the back one cause it's the back of the tooth that's most sensitive to tap-tests). When he opened it he said that it looked "clean".
He's had problems cause the apex-locater doesn't read my canals properly. He goes by taking alot of xrays and reading those the best he can. I spent most of my chair time crying cause I just KNEW that him refusing to open the back canal would mean that the pain would still be the same as before. ALL for nothing again!! The hygenist switched halfway through my procedure and she said, "...you've done the endo already! Did you find the extra canal?" ANd the dentist was like, "There is none. I opened the front. If there is a problem it would be coming from here" And I just looked up at the girl wanting her to make eye contact so I could stare at her to pursue it for me, but she didn't. So that's when I started crying. And I hate it cause the tears slide down your face and pool at your collar.
>>>>>>Ask about this approach
Does it have an exact name in dental terminology? ...so I won't sound so much like an arm-chair dentist. *sigh*
>>>>>>>It may be that the infection is hiding out somewhere past the end of the root,
Would he be able to see that on an xray? How do you get proof that it's there? ...or do you have to kinda do exploratory surgury? is there some kinda way to test for it?
I'm so dejected about my teeth. This one has been two and half months. Who goes that long with this kind of pain. THey wouldn't expect someone to live with a cavity for two months. Genetics and anorexia have found yet another way to f*ck me over. I get so down at times like this cause, I think the anorexia saved me back then, but now, after the "best" of it is over, I'm finding that it not only just postponed any suffering I was going through then, but created INFINITE amounts more. I used to be so proud that I had a severe case :"( I did, but didn't really, know how much it destroyed the human body. Why couldn't I just diet like a regular person. .....okay, I'm getting really down. gotta stop.
I know it's a sh*tty topic Li, but I'd appreciate any tooth info. You definately know from experience. Whenever you're have time, or are bored.
Posted by ElaineM on October 17, 2006, at 15:06:52
In reply to more dental stuff, ? **trig mild** » Lindenblüte, posted by ElaineM on October 17, 2006, at 12:42:00
Guess what, Dentist didn't call me again. I don't even care now. He just can't hear me - my teeth don't matter to him and I don't pay regular amounts like everyone else with good coverage. he's just another one of many who won't help. i can't even stand how much vertigo these things give me - pills are stupid. They make me more nervous. It just still hurts to have liquid when they die down. I wonder if I can get to T tomorrow. I'm afraid of what would happen if I cried or doubled over in public. People think sick people are gross. I feel like I'm trying really hard. :( Why can't something good ever happen.
Posted by muffled on October 17, 2006, at 15:48:14
In reply to deja vu, posted by ElaineM on October 17, 2006, at 15:06:52
Sorry El. Can you call the dentist?
Which teeth are involved?
Maybe you could start charging your T for T? Then you would have some money?
Mebbe I crazy?
I think you ARE trying hard.
Give yourself a break somehow if you can.
Try and think of your good qualities.
Cuz you are very kind.
Take care,
Thinking of you,
wishing I was smarter and could be more help :-(
But I can listen.
Muffled
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 17, 2006, at 17:37:50
In reply to more dental stuff, ? **trig mild** » Lindenblüte, posted by ElaineM on October 17, 2006, at 12:42:00
My front teeth are the ones that have had the worst root canals and the crooked cracked roots.
In my case the granulation tissue is slightly visible because it pokes out ever so slightly- looks like my gum is slightly redder in between these two teeth.
It shows up clearly in my xrays. looks like slightly paler than surrounding tissue. I can feel it in my gums. that area is puffier- and kept getting puffier over the years until it flared up the last time.
The procedure involved gum flap resection. Apical treatment (which involves placing some kind of a heated glass? or amalgam? filling in the end of the root.
Ask your endo about an apical root filling.
make him explain it to you. Tell him one of your bloved friends had it and has had VERY good results. If he doesn't do it, ask him for a referral for an oral surgeon (my oral surgeon was such a sweetie- probably because he also does a lot of cosmetic surgery too!)
-Li
Posted by ElaineM on October 20, 2006, at 15:17:46
In reply to Re: more dental stuff, ? **trig mild** » ElaineM, posted by Lindenblüte on October 17, 2006, at 17:37:50
Wednesday's session was toughest. I made myself get to T and he asked about my pain, re-apoligized for making me feel bad about being ill, and then we talked about his last meeting with his T for an hour and ten minutes. I wanted to be helpful, but my heart wasn't in it. I already felt so awkward sitting tilted on my couch, my hand over my side, slumped down so my neck could lean on the top of the back cushion. I kept giving LadyT-like responses and questions, but it got to a point (early on) where I was only throwing back short sentences, or even just a noise. :( I feel bad saying it, but he would just keep picking up and going on. There was this desperate feeling inside me that just kept growing the more time ticked away - probably just plain old panic I guess. I've felt alot of strong feelings during sessions, but never so dejected and hopeless.
I asked him about a bunch of things I *wanted* him to have talked to his T about, and he didn't mention the big ones. He said I looked disappointed, and I said that I WAS. I had been excited that he was starting to see his old T again. I told him that I could help him make a list before his next time so he won't think that he has nothing to talk about. I know I'm not supposed to be in a T role. I know it. But it's not like I was gonna say something - that's just something I'd never do with anyone. And he's in crisis and my friend - wrong or not. But this was the longest we've ever talked about him a session. I feel like a two-faced jerk cause he sent an email thanking me so much for being such a good friend and good listener. He said I was like a T. (it's obvious that he really can't see it's not normal)
I asked him if his T ever met with other T's as well, and he said yes, that's how he chose him way back when he was his T years ago. Do you think that means that he was finding it difficult with a client before too?
I know I need someone to help me. It sounds so baby-ish but I can't describe the terror I feel when I'm having to pretend to be knowing and strong. Especially when I'm in SO much physical pain. :"( I know I need someone, I'm just soooo scared. I feel like I CAN'T end it. And will never be able to speak openly about this or any of my history, because it will ALWAYS create a path back to him. (more about this part happened this past week too) And I'm just not gonna blow up his life. :"( But I NEED HELP. now so much. When I not only *want* death - but when my body actually *feels* like it.
And bad health makes me get flashbacks of graphic, vulgar details of a certain family members death that I saw. Well I don't really know what a flashback consists of but I keep seeing freeze frames of what we walked in on, and sometimes I get so worked up that I start to think the same thing is happening to me (even though I know my illness is different, cannot be the same thing at all)....but still. I can work myself up to the point where I'm convinced that killing myself is the only escape, cause I'm gonna die the exact same death at any moment. But worse is the sound that I hear! I don't have many memories of anything ever, but I've held onto this sound, and I sometimes think it's worse than the images. I told T about this too, but he thinks it's the same as remembering the person - though I stressed I'm only remembering the event and sensory stuff - when they didn't even look like a person anymore ...ahahhhhh!....i'm sorry, i'm sorry....this is disgusting. But when my illness first came last winter, that's when I went and got all my legal documents in order...when I was lured in by LadyT for a suicide assessment...when i wrote a goodbye letter to my family....when I had a way planned and a backup. I really really worry that I won't get through another winter. So much about it is triggering. ......oh SHUT UP! I'm so f*cking sick of my moaning. I never intend to moan so much, but it just oozes out all over here. It's sick! I'm sorry :"( Whatever.
I SI'd two mornings ago, and I started a bit this morning but I stopped myself. It hurts differently than my abdomen. Helplinelady had said a few days ago to slam a door instead because it's healthier than cutting :( ....But what else can anybody say. I did it anyways. There's no end. [only proud thing is I finished all my AntiBs last night - for me, for Li, for LadyDoc] I can't get through all of it. :( ..... I can't finish this - sorry. Not that it's not long enough already - Big Mouth! How did all of this happen?????????? :"(
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 20, 2006, at 21:41:54
In reply to Scary sessions Help *****Trigs big death, small SI, posted by ElaineM on October 20, 2006, at 15:17:46
Hey Elaine
Good for you- you finished all the big icky pills.You are still in a lot of pain, though, and that's not good at all.
If you cannot tell your "T" this stuff face to face, can you e-mail it to him?
Can you tell him that you're having a hard time telling him things because you're never sure when "his"session ends and when your session begins.
Can you tell him that you'd like to continue to see him (I think you [or part of you?] *do* want to continue to see him) BUT, tell him that you also need to see another T who can help you out with yourSI and control of chronic pain.
Maybe you're not strong enough to do this right now. Well, it can wait. Just don't allow yourself to get too weak, okay?
When is your follow-up appt to check to see if your illness is cleared up?
Wishing you all the best. I'm sorry if I'm being too practical and not at all soothing right now. I tend to do that when I'm stressed out. I wish I had better answers for you. I think the best I can do is hold your cyberhand and walk with you. Oh, and I'm making a big pot of peppermint tea. You're invited. It is a nice comforting thing, warm peppermint tea in the tummy.
your friend and antibiotic mentor,
-Lindenpetal
Posted by gardenergirl on October 20, 2006, at 22:25:56
In reply to (((((((Elaine)))))))) » ElaineM, posted by Lindenblüte on October 20, 2006, at 21:41:54
Excellent advice from Lindenblute.
I'm sorry you're suffering so much, Elaine. I wish I could somehow magically take some of the pain away. I wish I could help more, but I can't get past my own feelings about your T. I know it's more complicated and more personal for you than the issue I get stuck on. My recent thoughts about that have been that maybe you can continue to meet with him, but that you two need to stop calling it therapy. And if you pay for it, perhaps you need to stop paying for it--and him stop billing for it, if that's happening. That way, you can continue with the relationship, but without the muddled confusion of calling it therapy when boundaries are all over the place.
Beyond that, "just keep swimming", as Dorie from Finding Nemo says. Sometimes that's all we can do. Sometimes that's all we can focus on is to just keep putting one foot in front of the other, taking one breath after another, etc.
Take care,
gg
Posted by caraher on October 21, 2006, at 2:47:05
In reply to Re: (((((((Elaine)))))))) » Lindenblüte, posted by gardenergirl on October 20, 2006, at 22:25:56
I don't have a whole lot to add to the previous two posts. I think you've heard all the advice I have. Just know that I'm thinking about you and hope things get better for you. You've done a lot of very difficult things and deserve better results for all your efforts!
(((El)))
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