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Posted by Sebastian on August 26, 2004, at 18:35:26
Assuming that someone is suicidal because they talk of the thoughts is rediculous. Sounds like they are asking for help. How do you get help, if you can't ask for it?
Posted by partlycloudy on August 26, 2004, at 19:49:12
In reply to Assumptions: Suicide, posted by Sebastian on August 26, 2004, at 18:35:26
I've been told that being suicidal is different from having a death wish. I think of the peace and quiet death would give me, rather than how I would achieve it.
I don't know how someone makes the judgement that someone speaking about suicidal ideation equals the action to accomplish it. I have wished for death but I would never want my family to suffer through it - so I haven't been suicidal but have wanted to be dead.
Probably makes no difference in your question, but hey - I'm just here right now...
Posted by DaisyM on August 26, 2004, at 21:10:45
In reply to Assumptions: Suicide, posted by Sebastian on August 26, 2004, at 18:35:26
Most therapist will assess the thoughts against possible actions. Talking about those thoughts is one way of asking for help. But they have to take what you say seriously. So if you are expressing wishes to harm yourself, action of some kind, even if it is "just" a contract with your Therapist is usually taken.
My therapist encourages expression of the thoughts. He thinks they get bigger if they are kept a secret. And he often equates them with different parts of me that wish the pain would end, not that my life would end.
Is there a specific reason this is up for you right now? Can we help?
Posted by Sebastian on August 27, 2004, at 11:51:44
In reply to Re: Assumptions: Suicide, posted by DaisyM on August 26, 2004, at 21:10:45
Thats what I did for years, kept everything a secret. Now I want to talk about it and no one wants to listen. Like my doctor, hear take this. I tried with a different doctor 5 years ago and got the same thing, not take this because he couldn't prescribe, but a just forget about it life is grand, you should respect people anyways, like you have never been hurt.??? Seems to me, no one cares! My parents never wanted to hear it, doctors, girlfreind. They all thought I was being stupid or something. I know this is why I'm sick, why am I told to ignore it.
Posted by daisym on August 27, 2004, at 14:20:39
In reply to Re: Assumptions: Suicide, posted by Sebastian on August 27, 2004, at 11:51:44
You need to keep trying, you will find someone to listen. Are you talking to a therapist? Try someone psychodynamically oriented...
There are also support groups, both off and online. I've dumped out more here, on babble, then I ever have anywhere else.
Being lonely, and alone with these thoughts, ARE making you sick. You need to release some of this pain. I hope you find help soon
Posted by Susan47 on August 27, 2004, at 15:21:02
In reply to Re: Assumptions: Suicide, posted by Sebastian on August 27, 2004, at 11:51:44
Sebastian,
Freudian slip, you said "Like my doctor, hear take this". Look how you spelled "here."
Posted by Aphrodite on August 27, 2004, at 17:05:41
In reply to Assumptions: Suicide, posted by Sebastian on August 26, 2004, at 18:35:26
Do you have a therapist? What kind of Doctor are you referring to? Please be persistent. There are good therapists who will listen and help. If you stay isolated, it will only feed the flames. I know; I've been there. Good luck.
Posted by shrinking violet on August 27, 2004, at 19:54:37
In reply to Assumptions: Suicide, posted by Sebastian on August 26, 2004, at 18:35:26
>> Assuming that someone is suicidal because they talk of the thoughts is rediculous. Sounds like they are asking for help. How do you get help, if you can't ask for it?
I haven't yet read all of the replies so forgive me if I repeat something that's already been said.
I know what you mean. Back in January, I was having suicidal thoughts which turned into urges. I told my T (via a journal entry I left with her after one session) because I thought that telling her would relieve some of the internal "pressure" in my mind and break the circular thought pattern and if I got out the thoughts they might stop. Instead, she freaked, told me to return that week, set up a surprise doc appt, some of the tests came back abnormal, so the doc and my T "strongly urged" I go IP for the 3 day weekend. Now, my T denies it was that contrived, but I think it's too coincidental. She knows she couldnt have put me inpatient based on what I said in the entry b/c I never said I was going to do it, just think about it, so I think she was "hoping" for a medical reason to put me IP (in a psych ward) so she could rest easy for the 3 day weekend (so this makes more sense, I should add that my T and medical doc work for the university where I am a graduate student; the medical situations appy to my having an eating disorder).
Since then (loooong story; I wrote more about it in the "worst therapy moments" thread) my T is a little better about my telling her of having those thoughts. If I told her I was planning it, or intended to carry it out, then I know she'd take action. But, c'mon, if I was actually suicidal, and intended to carry it out, would I really tell her?? No, I wouldnt.
I hope you find someone with whom you can talk about this. Letting out those thoughts can sometimes help free yourself of them. Can you talk about this with your T (if you have one), just the general subject of what he/she would do or think if someone just had thoughts but no plans, etc? Maybe if you can feel him/her out, see what they think, maybe you'll be able to admit the thoughts without having them react.
Take care.
Posted by Sebastian on August 29, 2004, at 17:38:47
In reply to Re: Assumptions: Suicide, posted by shrinking violet on August 27, 2004, at 19:54:37
I decided I can get better psychotherapy from people other than my doctor, at least they can't have me comited.
Posted by Sebastian on August 29, 2004, at 17:47:44
In reply to Re: Assumptions: Suicide, posted by Sebastian on August 27, 2004, at 11:51:44
"Hear", guess thats what I wanted the doctor to do.
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