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Posted by DaisyM on December 17, 2003, at 20:02:09
Dreams are always interesting but there seems to be a huge variation by Therapists about working with the. Irving Yalom writes about dream work in all his books. I know a lot of CBTs don't do dream work unless it is really causing anxiety.
My own experience has been that if I bring a dream up, we'll discuss it and try to figure out if it is important. Some have been. He is especially interested in those that have him in them. He always wants to know how I interpret them, sometimes we agree and sometimes not.
Lately I have two reoccuring dreams. In one I'm being stalked. In the other, I have to save someone having a medical crisis but I get put on hold by 911 (!) That dream continues right into me talking about it in therapy. So I'm dreaming about analyzing the dream. (How do we interpret that?)
It would be interesting to hear how others deal with dreams in their therapy.
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2003, at 21:21:20
In reply to Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by DaisyM on December 17, 2003, at 20:02:09
I rarely dream, so I don't mention them much. But when I do, he perks up his ears. Especially if I say I had a dream about him. I had a recurring one where I entered the office and he introduced me to a person sitting in a chair who would be my new therapist. It didn't take a great deal of interpretation. lol.
Once when I said I had a weird dream, he told me that theory about you are everyone in your dream. Then I told him the dream, and it included me (I think I had an extra hand), Princess Diana, and someone who killed themself. He glossed over that one pretty quickly.
Oh, and in one of my dreams, I discovered he was a eunuch (ummm, someone in the dream told me - I didn't discover it personally). He didn't interpret that one too much either.
Posted by Karen_kay on December 17, 2003, at 22:07:02
In reply to Re: Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? » DaisyM, posted by Dinah on December 17, 2003, at 21:21:20
I rarely remember my dreams unless they are disturbing. And lately it seems that I've been having at least one disturbing dream a week. I never told him about my dreams, as I thought they were insignificant. But, I had a dream about him once. That I broke into his office while he was out and began mocking him. And he caught me (and my friend). And rather than being mad, he told my friend that he wanted to start seeing her twice a week for individual therapy sessions. I was so mad! And he just ignored me. I was so mad at him in my dream that I just had to confront him in real life! I'm silly.
But, my dreams now about my dad are becoming more symbolic, especially regarding my relationship with my boyfriend. So, I'm glad he doesn't just dismiss them, even though he is CBT. And the first thing he asks is "Have you had any nightmares?" He does a very good job of helping me interpret my dreams and put them in perspective. He's a good therapist. Now I feel bad for being annoyed with him.
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 17, 2003, at 22:25:14
In reply to Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by DaisyM on December 17, 2003, at 20:02:09
We always go over dreams. I remember all of my dreams and they are always very complex with lots of weird details. He loves hearing them. He usually claps after I tell him about a dream (they usually take 10 minutes to recite back thoroughly) and congratulates me about how well I told it and how artistic it was. He LOVES dreams. So do I. Sometimes I have to write them down in order to remember all of the right sequencing. He always photocopies the ones I write down for my file.
I would also classify him as mostly CBT, but maybe that is just waht he thinks will help me best, although he admitted a few sessions back that he was "not very psychodynamic" but has been getting to the root of my childhood issues since he knows that would help me.
Posted by naiad on December 18, 2003, at 1:47:41
In reply to Re: Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 17, 2003, at 22:25:14
I have shared a few dreams with my therapist and he reacts to them the way he does to everything else that I say -- he wants me to do all of the interpreting! Occasionally he will give some little crumb of an interpretation. Anything that I focus on has some signifigance simply becuase I choose to say it out loud. Maybe that is why I am so hesitant sometimes and edit my thoughts.
My favorite therapy dream was that he and I were at some sort of yoga/therapy retreat. There was a craft component and I made two hearts - one was gold and one was made out of leaves. I showed them to him and he admired them in a genuine way. I felt wonderful! That dream is pretty easy to interpret.
In another dream he was a yoga instructor and was rearranging our studio and attaching pommel horses to the wall. Another student was swinging on them and I thought -- she's showing off, not doing proper yoga. This dream happened after a session when my therapist told me that I edit too much. I think I felt criticized, like I don't do therapy right.
I have also heard that all characters in your dream are you (I think that is Jungian). I have a little journal next to my bed and if I can remember, I write my dreams down before I get up. It really helps because there are dreams I have written in that book that I have no memory of.
Posted by Joslynn on December 18, 2003, at 8:43:36
In reply to Re: Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by naiad on December 18, 2003, at 1:47:41
All my life I've had very vivid dreams. I tell some of them to my therapist, but she too goes into the well-what-do-you-think-it-means dance.
My pdoc seems much more interested in my dreams, I think because he is actually more of an old school psychoanalitical shrink at heart. Sometimes he will actually try to interpret them. He usually makes a disclaimer first that he is not a dream expert, but then he will give his attempt at an interpretation. It's usually pretty insightful. Of course, maybe he is so interested in my dreams because sometimes he pops up in them!
A hint if you jot down dreams right after having them: Not only do I keep a little memo pad on my night table, but I also have a pen with a little light on it that lights up when you twist it. That way, I don't have to get up to turn on the light switch.
Posted by Rigby on December 18, 2003, at 9:42:44
In reply to Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by DaisyM on December 17, 2003, at 20:02:09
Interesting topic! I dream vividly with the content generally being extraordinarily violent (beyond the beyond.) The dreams are so disturbing that to get them out of my system in the morning I'll write them down. I send them to my therapist. She reads them, does some analysis on them and then we go over them. I actually think this is one my therapist's strengths: dream analysis. She'll usually catch something that I wouldn't have thought of. She also has made comments about my writing (she's into it) so who knows--maybe it's entertainment for her.
I've had many dreams about her--one that was extremely erotic that was sort of not even possible to go over with her. I sent it to her because I felt she was crossing boundaries with me (she was) and it was genuinely where my conscious and subconcious were.
I still haven't gotten over the boundary issue with her--she admitted it briefly and then got defensive ever after. Finally, when discussing it not too long ago she was arguing her point about it and I said, "Fine. I give up. You're right. Nothing was weird. You did nothing wrong. I'll shut up now." And she said something like, "Well, that sounds like a big fuck-you" and I said, "Well, yeah." I told her I had no idea if she was a defensive person in real life but she was most excellent at "defending" herself with me. She fell silent. And sorta talked to herself, "Huh. I never thought of myself that way."
Next session she committed to hearing me out better--to listening more to how I was feeling. Kinda bizarre to have your therapist say they will listen better in the future. Aren't they supposed to be the ultimate listener?
Anyway, that's all kind of a vent--and sort of off the dream topic.
Thanks for *listening!*
Posted by Penny on December 18, 2003, at 9:51:51
In reply to Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by DaisyM on December 17, 2003, at 20:02:09
I usually only mention my dreams if they involve the therapist, and with both of my therapists, they seem to get a kick out of hearing about a dream involving them.
I had a dream about my former T once either right before or right after she had her baby, and I was at her house and her husband and daughter were gone but she was there with the new baby, and I was floating (weird) and I went up to the baby's room and sat and rocked him. Could have had a couple of interpretations, any of which might be valid. Hmmm...
A dream about my current T that I shared with her was where she was having an event of sorts with all of her patients, and she ignored me. And got frustrated with me when I didn't feel like participating in some activity. When I told her about it, she was trying to figure out if she had said something or done something that made me feel like she was upset with me.
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Posted by pegasus on December 18, 2003, at 17:35:57
In reply to Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by DaisyM on December 17, 2003, at 20:02:09
I've only told him dreams that he's in. He seems really interested. I have this recurring dream that I go into his office (he's there) and totally trash it. He's telling me to stop, and then he leaves to call the cops. But I don't care. I just keep throwing his stuff out the windows and upending his plants etc. It's actually a really positive dream; I'm having a good time and don't (for once) care at all what he thinks. I think he was a little taken aback the first time I told him. He asked me if I have a problem with his plants :)
Posted by fallsfall on December 18, 2003, at 18:23:59
In reply to Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by DaisyM on December 17, 2003, at 20:02:09
Told my current therapist a dream for the first time today (6 months, I don't dream often, but this one seemed like it could be relevant). I asked if he wanted to hear it. He sort of half nodded - I almost didn't know whether he did or not, so I asked and he said "Go ahead". I'm thinking he was assuming that I knew that he was interested. I went through it, and he asked what I thought about it. Then he made me go through it again and talk about each section (it was kind of long and complicated). In the end, it was just "My therapy is such a mess and I don't know what I'm supposed to do about it". This is not news. But it was interesting to get to the same old conclusion a new way. He didn't really interpret at all, but I didn't ask him to, either.
Posted by lookdownfish on December 18, 2003, at 22:23:48
In reply to Re: Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by fallsfall on December 18, 2003, at 18:23:59
We spend a lot of time discussing dreams - almost every session, as I find it fascinating and my T is psychoanalytically inclined. She always says its more important what I think it means than what she thinks it means. Very annoying, as I can never figure it out. I occasionally have dreams about her and about therapy. But even when the dream is about someone else, she says that person represented her. I was telling her an erotic dream I had about a beautiful girl I haven't seen for years. And she said it represented her! She's probably right, but it killed me that she came out with that. One or two of the interpretations have been useful, but mostly my dreams seem to reaffirm things I know anyway, eg, I adore my therapist or I'm confused about my sexuality.
Posted by crushedout on December 18, 2003, at 22:43:52
In reply to Re: Do You Tell your dreams in Therapy? , posted by Rigby on December 18, 2003, at 9:42:44
this is a fascinating topic. but i'm even more interested in the boundary crossings of which you speak, rigby. would you be willing to say more about them? and what bothered you about them?crushedout
> Interesting topic! I dream vividly with the content generally being extraordinarily violent (beyond the beyond.) The dreams are so disturbing that to get them out of my system in the morning I'll write them down. I send them to my therapist. She reads them, does some analysis on them and then we go over them. I actually think this is one my therapist's strengths: dream analysis. She'll usually catch something that I wouldn't have thought of. She also has made comments about my writing (she's into it) so who knows--maybe it's entertainment for her.
>
> I've had many dreams about her--one that was extremely erotic that was sort of not even possible to go over with her. I sent it to her because I felt she was crossing boundaries with me (she was) and it was genuinely where my conscious and subconcious were.
>
> I still haven't gotten over the boundary issue with her--she admitted it briefly and then got defensive ever after. Finally, when discussing it not too long ago she was arguing her point about it and I said, "Fine. I give up. You're right. Nothing was weird. You did nothing wrong. I'll shut up now." And she said something like, "Well, that sounds like a big fuck-you" and I said, "Well, yeah." I told her I had no idea if she was a defensive person in real life but she was most excellent at "defending" herself with me. She fell silent. And sorta talked to herself, "Huh. I never thought of myself that way."
>
> Next session she committed to hearing me out better--to listening more to how I was feeling. Kinda bizarre to have your therapist say they will listen better in the future. Aren't they supposed to be the ultimate listener?
>
> Anyway, that's all kind of a vent--and sort of off the dream topic.
>
> Thanks for *listening!*
>
>
>
Posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 12:37:35
In reply to following your tangent » Rigby, posted by crushedout on December 18, 2003, at 22:43:52
Hey Crushed,
It's kind of difficult to describe but I'll try.
It began with a discussion around cancellation policy. I said that I assumed that if she could cancel with zero notice (she had to once b/c of illness) that she would understand if similarly I needed to do that too. She said, "No. The 24 hour cancellation policy would apply no matter." We went back/forth on that one for a bit. I didn't like the one-sidedness of it. She then said that she had to be careful, especially with me, of making exceptions because she was drawn to me. I said, "Huh?" And she said something where she tried to make it generic, that I have a personality that draws people in, including her, that I'm magnetic. I then asked how she could be objective about this comment if she herself felt drawn to me and she said that it was possible for her to both feel this way and be objective too. Within this same conversation she said there was no away around "it." When I asked what "it" was she said, "Your specialness." I asked what that meant and she seemed almost frustrated saying that she just isn't as close with her other clients. She referred to a plant I'd given her and a book as "evidence" of this. I'd never been told I couldn't give her anything. And she accepted these things. I told her I gave her those things as things that represented my work in therapy. She said, "But you gave them to ME."
It was a bizarre exchange and one that impacted me for a long, long time. She would not revisit this with me--got defensive about it for months. Finally she admitted that she felt horrible for saying what she did--she was on meds where her tongue was a bit looser than it should have been. She said she wasn't taking back anything she said. She just said she couldn't believe she actually said this stuff *to* me.
She said sometime over the past few months that she felt that she got "lost" with me in terms of her boundaries and that she had not done me any favors by doing so. She said that she and I are alike--and at times too alike. She said I was rebellious, like her, that we connect too well. I didn't ask exactly what this meant but just absorbed it.
She and I, I think, could easily fall into something--and I think she works pretty diligently now to not have that happen. I sometimes fear that she'll be overly strict with me and inflexible as a knee-jerk reaction to whatever sort of emotional pull there is for her. I've admitted I've had transference issues with her and sexual attraction that I do not like to have but do have so she knows all that. I also know that she was lesbian in her 20s then married a guy in her 30s. I don't know if it's good for me to know this stuff or not but I know because the person who referred me to her was her roommate a long time ago--the person who referred me to her said that she felt she and I were very similar so she would probably be a good person for me. Interesting. That's kinda come back to bite me in a sense.
Phew. Long story, eh? How's it going for you?> this is a fascinating topic. but i'm even more interested in the boundary crossings of which you speak, rigby. would you be willing to say more about them? and what bothered you about them?
Posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 14:29:50
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed, posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 12:37:35
wow, rigby. that was an interesting story. thanks for sharing it. i kind of feel envious. that cancellation policy thing makes me mad. it seems unfair. (that's not the part that makes me envious, obviously.)me, i'm doing pretty well. i identify a lot with your story because i feel like my therapist has special feelings for me, too. (i hope it's not just wishful thinking.) and of course i'm totally in love with her. we still haven't addressed it very directly, but last week i read her a poem i wrote about her. so it's out there. as i've told you before, she's brought up "the sexuality between us" on a couple occasions but i've skirted around it. i'm scared to hear what she has to say. i don't want to be disappointed. nor led on. so it feels like a bad road to head down. but i also think we need to address it at some point. i'm hoping next week we can do it. i have a dream that i want to tell her about it, which could be a good segue. not extremely erotic, but maybe some undertones. i think she wants to talk about it, too, so all i need to do is open the door a crack.
the whole thing gives me anxiety. i want so much to marry her. but she's already married. and, most importantly, she's my therapist, and a great one at that.
it's so frickin confusing!
anyway, thanks again for sharing your story.
crushed
> Hey Crushed,
>
> It's kind of difficult to describe but I'll try.
>
> It began with a discussion around cancellation policy. I said that I assumed that if she could cancel with zero notice (she had to once b/c of illness) that she would understand if similarly I needed to do that too. She said, "No. The 24 hour cancellation policy would apply no matter." We went back/forth on that one for a bit. I didn't like the one-sidedness of it. She then said that she had to be careful, especially with me, of making exceptions because she was drawn to me. I said, "Huh?" And she said something where she tried to make it generic, that I have a personality that draws people in, including her, that I'm magnetic. I then asked how she could be objective about this comment if she herself felt drawn to me and she said that it was possible for her to both feel this way and be objective too. Within this same conversation she said there was no away around "it." When I asked what "it" was she said, "Your specialness." I asked what that meant and she seemed almost frustrated saying that she just isn't as close with her other clients. She referred to a plant I'd given her and a book as "evidence" of this. I'd never been told I couldn't give her anything. And she accepted these things. I told her I gave her those things as things that represented my work in therapy. She said, "But you gave them to ME."
>
> It was a bizarre exchange and one that impacted me for a long, long time. She would not revisit this with me--got defensive about it for months. Finally she admitted that she felt horrible for saying what she did--she was on meds where her tongue was a bit looser than it should have been. She said she wasn't taking back anything she said. She just said she couldn't believe she actually said this stuff *to* me.
>
> She said sometime over the past few months that she felt that she got "lost" with me in terms of her boundaries and that she had not done me any favors by doing so. She said that she and I are alike--and at times too alike. She said I was rebellious, like her, that we connect too well. I didn't ask exactly what this meant but just absorbed it.
>
> She and I, I think, could easily fall into something--and I think she works pretty diligently now to not have that happen. I sometimes fear that she'll be overly strict with me and inflexible as a knee-jerk reaction to whatever sort of emotional pull there is for her. I've admitted I've had transference issues with her and sexual attraction that I do not like to have but do have so she knows all that. I also know that she was lesbian in her 20s then married a guy in her 30s. I don't know if it's good for me to know this stuff or not but I know because the person who referred me to her was her roommate a long time ago--the person who referred me to her said that she felt she and I were very similar so she would probably be a good person for me. Interesting. That's kinda come back to bite me in a sense.
>
> Phew. Long story, eh? How's it going for you?
>
> > this is a fascinating topic. but i'm even more interested in the boundary crossings of which you speak, rigby. would you be willing to say more about them? and what bothered you about them?
>
>
Posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 17:03:45
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed » Rigby, posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 14:29:50
I think I understand. You probably would like validation that there's some level of mutuality of these incredibly strong feelings. It's immensely frustrating--it was for me. But when I did get some level of validation I found it to be great on the one hand but troubling on the other too. I think by her revealing this I became quite scared--scared that the therapy, echoing some of the abuse issues I have, had become about the person in charge taking advantage of me. A therapist is supposed to, in a sense, take care of part of you. They have to be selfless and do this and it's not easy but by getting their needs mixed up in yours, it's, well, it's sorta like an adult using a kid for their needs when they're supposed to be taking care of the kid. I'm not sure if that's the best analogy but they are supposed to keep their stuff out of it. I kept thinking I couldn't proceed with her without some mutuality in it. She finally showed her cards and I got quite spooked by it. Be careful what you wish. If I played out the whole thing it was spooky too: I leave my wonderful girlfriend for her--she dumps her husband for me--we have each other and hell, I really don't know this chick from adam--who she really is, what she does with herself in her spare time, if she bathes, etc.--the fantasy can unravel quickly when you start wondering about personal hygiene, sleeping patterns, etc. That's a real buzz-kill if there ever was one.
> wow, rigby. that was an interesting story. thanks for sharing it. i kind of feel envious. that cancellation policy thing makes me mad. it seems unfair. (that's not the part that makes me envious, obviously.)
>
> me, i'm doing pretty well. i identify a lot with your story because i feel like my therapist has special feelings for me, too. (i hope it's not just wishful thinking.) and of course i'm totally in love with her. we still haven't addressed it very directly, but last week i read her a poem i wrote about her. so it's out there. as i've told you before, she's brought up "the sexuality between us" on a couple occasions but i've skirted around it. i'm scared to hear what she has to say. i don't want to be disappointed. nor led on. so it feels like a bad road to head down. but i also think we need to address it at some point. i'm hoping next week we can do it. i have a dream that i want to tell her about it, which could be a good segue. not extremely erotic, but maybe some undertones. i think she wants to talk about it, too, so all i need to do is open the door a crack.
>
> the whole thing gives me anxiety. i want so much to marry her. but she's already married. and, most importantly, she's my therapist, and a great one at that.
>
> it's so frickin confusing!
>
> anyway, thanks again for sharing your story.
>
> crushed
>
Posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 17:49:13
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed, posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 17:03:45
i get your drift, but personal hygiene??? i'm pretty sure she bathes, but i'd take her even if she didn't! i think it helps me to think about how absorbed she is in her work. that would make me jealous.
but then, i'm not really sure if she's absorbed. that's just my impression. she doesn't work full-time. eep. i can't think of why i wouldn't want to marry her!
> I think I understand. You probably would like validation that there's some level of mutuality of these incredibly strong feelings. It's immensely frustrating--it was for me. But when I did get some level of validation I found it to be great on the one hand but troubling on the other too. I think by her revealing this I became quite scared--scared that the therapy, echoing some of the abuse issues I have, had become about the person in charge taking advantage of me. A therapist is supposed to, in a sense, take care of part of you. They have to be selfless and do this and it's not easy but by getting their needs mixed up in yours, it's, well, it's sorta like an adult using a kid for their needs when they're supposed to be taking care of the kid. I'm not sure if that's the best analogy but they are supposed to keep their stuff out of it. I kept thinking I couldn't proceed with her without some mutuality in it. She finally showed her cards and I got quite spooked by it. Be careful what you wish. If I played out the whole thing it was spooky too: I leave my wonderful girlfriend for her--she dumps her husband for me--we have each other and hell, I really don't know this chick from adam--who she really is, what she does with herself in her spare time, if she bathes, etc.--the fantasy can unravel quickly when you start wondering about personal hygiene, sleeping patterns, etc. That's a real buzz-kill if there ever was one.
>
> > wow, rigby. that was an interesting story. thanks for sharing it. i kind of feel envious. that cancellation policy thing makes me mad. it seems unfair. (that's not the part that makes me envious, obviously.)
> >
> > me, i'm doing pretty well. i identify a lot with your story because i feel like my therapist has special feelings for me, too. (i hope it's not just wishful thinking.) and of course i'm totally in love with her. we still haven't addressed it very directly, but last week i read her a poem i wrote about her. so it's out there. as i've told you before, she's brought up "the sexuality between us" on a couple occasions but i've skirted around it. i'm scared to hear what she has to say. i don't want to be disappointed. nor led on. so it feels like a bad road to head down. but i also think we need to address it at some point. i'm hoping next week we can do it. i have a dream that i want to tell her about it, which could be a good segue. not extremely erotic, but maybe some undertones. i think she wants to talk about it, too, so all i need to do is open the door a crack.
> >
> > the whole thing gives me anxiety. i want so much to marry her. but she's already married. and, most importantly, she's my therapist, and a great one at that.
> >
> > it's so frickin confusing!
> >
> > anyway, thanks again for sharing your story.
> >
> > crushed
> >
>
>
Posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 18:38:22
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed » Rigby, posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 17:49:13
Ah, c'mon. You can think of *something!* There's something bad in everyone, eh? ;)
> but then, i'm not really sure if she's absorbed. that's just my impression. she doesn't work full-time. eep. i can't think of why i wouldn't want to marry her!
Posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 18:41:28
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed, posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 18:38:22
nope, she doesn't even pick her teeth or her nose during sessions and i've never even seen her stifle a yawn! she's perfect. she even does her eye makeup perfectly. i'm so depressed.
> Ah, c'mon. You can think of *something!* There's something bad in everyone, eh? ;)
> > but then, i'm not really sure if she's absorbed. that's just my impression. she doesn't work full-time. eep. i can't think of why i wouldn't want to marry her!
>
>
Posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 19:40:58
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed » Rigby, posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 18:41:28
That's IT. If she's wearing make-up, chances are she's covering up SOME imperfection.
> nope, she doesn't even pick her teeth or her nose during sessions and i've never even seen her stifle a yawn! she's perfect. she even does her eye makeup perfectly. i'm so depressed.
Posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 20:06:15
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed, posted by Rigby on December 19, 2003, at 19:40:58
well, she does have a weak chin and rounded shoulders, but those imperfections just make her more lovable to me. and she has the sexiest feet i've ever seen. :)
> That's IT. If she's wearing make-up, chances are she's covering up SOME imperfection.
> > nope, she doesn't even pick her teeth or her nose during sessions and i've never even seen her stifle a yawn! she's perfect. she even does her eye makeup perfectly. i'm so depressed.
>
>
Posted by Rigby on December 20, 2003, at 0:30:46
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed » Rigby, posted by crushedout on December 19, 2003, at 20:06:15
Yeah, the truth comes out. Remind me, are you straight/bi/gay/undecided? I wasn't quite sure. I've been gay/out for a *long* time.
> well, she does have a weak chin and rounded shoulders, but those imperfections just make her more lovable to me. and she has the sexiest feet i've ever seen. :)
Posted by crushedout on December 20, 2003, at 0:41:33
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed, posted by Rigby on December 20, 2003, at 0:30:46
i'm a lesbian but sometimes i sleep with men. i've been out for twelve years. do you have me beat? what i lack in longevity i make up for in cuteness.
> Yeah, the truth comes out. Remind me, are you straight/bi/gay/undecided? I wasn't quite sure. I've been gay/out for a *long* time.
> > well, she does have a weak chin and rounded shoulders, but those imperfections just make her more lovable to me. and she has the sexiest feet i've ever seen. :)
>
>
Posted by Rigby on December 21, 2003, at 22:37:11
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed » Rigby, posted by crushedout on December 20, 2003, at 0:41:33
Sounds like you've got plenty of "longevity!" I've been out a bit longer--not hugely so though.
> i'm a lesbian but sometimes i sleep with men. i've been out for twelve years. do you have me beat? what i lack in longevity i make up for in cuteness.
Posted by crushedout on December 21, 2003, at 22:41:05
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed, posted by Rigby on December 21, 2003, at 22:37:11
well, that's a relief. you're older so i get a little slack. can i ask what part of the world you live in?(if you prefer to email me offline, you can use [email protected].)
> Sounds like you've got plenty of "longevity!" I've been out a bit longer--not hugely so though.
> > i'm a lesbian but sometimes i sleep with men. i've been out for twelve years. do you have me beat? what i lack in longevity i make up for in cuteness.
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Posted by Rigby on December 22, 2003, at 10:24:41
In reply to Re: following your tangent-Crushed, posted by crushedout on December 21, 2003, at 22:41:05
I live in Northern California and absolutely love it!! Year-round running, swimming, etc. but still we've got enough cool weather for some seasons too.
> well, that's a relief. you're older so i get a little slack. can i ask what part of the world you live in?
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