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Posted by pedr on October 12, 2003, at 3:52:34
Hi all,
I wonder if I could have your assistance for a moment. Tradition has it that when you get drunk, you feel rubbish the following day - especially in the morning. AKA "The hangover". Fine: you feel sick with a headache for a day, vow never to drink again and do it all again the following weekend =0)I find that something more unpleasant happens to me. Say I get drunk on Fri&Sat (the way it's normally done here in the UK), I'll feel "fuzzy-headed" on Sat and Sun but mood-wise absolutely fine. My problems occurr on Mon, Tues and Weds where some weeks my mood and outlook are quite strongly depressed.
Now, with a history of 8 years of major depression, a reaction to lots of booze might be expected as alcohol is a depressant, BUT:
- why does my mood and thinking react 36->72 hours after drinking instead of the next day?
- does anyone else encounter this delayed depression from large amounts of alcohol?
- maybe it's just Autumn kicking in and I'm depressing myself about going to work in the cold?I dunno. Any comments/suggestions are welcome. Please no "well stop drinking then" comments as I already recognise that as an option =0)
TIA,
pk
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 12, 2003, at 7:01:35
In reply to Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depressed, posted by pedr on October 12, 2003, at 3:52:34
Are you the same pedr I used to know through these boards??!! I'm sure thats the name you used here!!
Anyway.. alcohol always has that effect on me.. 2 days later, and wham, my mood hits rock bottom.. tis why I very very rarely drink anymore (maybe the odd drink, but never drunk these days!)
And then theres the whole thing of beating myself self up over "was my behaviour appropriate, did I act stupid, was I too loud, did I annoy anyone" etc etc.No suggestions on how to overcome it I'm afraid.. but I'd be interested in others replies.. maybe dosing up on vitimins and drinking a ton of water or something will help!
Nikki x
Posted by HannahW on October 12, 2003, at 18:10:17
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depressed » pedr, posted by NikkiT2 on October 12, 2003, at 7:01:35
Don't you hate responses like "Well don't drink so much then?" When I first started taking a TCA (which I don't take anymore) the meds made it so I would get pretty darn tipsy after just 1/2 a beer. I was planning to go to a party so I called my pdoc to see if there was anything I could do to not get drunk so fast. Her reply...well I'm sure you can guess.
I'm just figuring out that getting drunk makes me depressed for the next day or two. Major bummer. I wish I had a remedy. If you find one, let us know! :)
Posted by pedr on October 13, 2003, at 3:38:33
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depressed » pedr, posted by NikkiT2 on October 12, 2003, at 7:01:35
>>> Are you the same pedr I used to know through these boards??!! I'm sure thats the name you used here!!
- yep! How you doing Nikki? Long time no "speak" =0)>>> Anyway.. alcohol always has that effect on me.. 2 days later, and wham, my mood hits rock bottom.. tis why I very very rarely drink anymore (maybe the odd drink, but never drunk these days!)
- I wonder why it happens 2 days later... Perhaps it's the fact that it's Monday/Tuesday and we depress ourselves because you're up early and it's miserable outside or something? I dunno. Perhaps alcohol's depressant effect always kicks in _after_ the hangover but most people don't feel it that much as they're not depressed?>>> And then theres the whole thing of beating myself self up over "was my behaviour appropriate, did I act stupid, was I too loud, did I annoy anyone" etc etc.
- That's one cognition I manage _not_ to do =0) Main gotchas for me the morning after are ones where I depress myself because I know that alcohol is a depressant (and thus I convince myself I've been a git for drinking some) - doh.>>> No suggestions on how to overcome it I'm afraid.. but I'd be interested in others replies.. maybe dosing up on vitimins and drinking a ton of water or something will help!
- indeed. I took it easier this weekend and will monitor my mood over the forthcoming days. Last week I had a lot of tough "life" stuff to get through so that probably didn't help much either.Anyway, good to hear from you,
pk
Posted by pedr on October 13, 2003, at 3:41:59
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depressed, posted by HannahW on October 12, 2003, at 18:10:17
No way, I was on TCAs for a year or so (Trimipramine actually) too - it made me unbelievably lethargic and sleepy, I hated it but didn't know anything else to try.
The weird thing for me is that sometimes I seem to escape the depression. For example, I was on hols a few weeks back and got pished/had a couple every night. I don't recall feeling that depressed. Odd.
Like you request, should I find a universal solution, I'll post it here =0)
Cheers & good luck,
pk
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 13, 2003, at 10:47:13
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depres, posted by pedr on October 13, 2003, at 3:38:33
Its good to hear form you.. I lost your email address in a mad clear out of my mail!! *lol* So if you still have mine.. drop me a mail!!
I dunno what it is about the 2 days thing.. I can't blame it on bad mondays as I am *still* out of work (though applying for jobs like a mad woman!!).. I know in my old days of doing e's, it was always tuesday (after normally taking them friday night) that the depression would hit me.
I really enjoy getitng drunk with friends, but just can't seem to manage it any more.
Yay, well done you for shutting up the internal voice telling you you've made a prat of yourself. I can't shut that stupid one up grrrr! My CBT psychologist says its a matter of self esteem, and that the work we are doing on that will cure it!! But she doesn't understand that only seeing once a month is no use to me - I need regular input and reminders to do the work needed. And I need to actually have some kind of relationship with her (which only seeing her monthly I haven't seemed to build up)
I'll eagerly await your answer as to how to prevent this!! *lol*
Nikki x
Posted by pedr on October 13, 2003, at 11:20:15
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depres » pedr, posted by NikkiT2 on October 13, 2003, at 10:47:13
I think I still have your address, I'll drop you a mail.
It's interesting to me that your CBT-ist says it's a matter of self esteem: my REBT education teaches the exact opposite - doh! As always, people should go for the therapy that suits them best and they feel most comfortable with so I'm not gonna start a "which therapy is best" war =0) But if you find CBT is not doing it for you, you may want to check out REBT.
Once a month is not enough =0( Is there any way you can afford someone private? It's likely to be worth it.
p
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 13, 2003, at 13:44:06
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depres, posted by pedr on October 13, 2003, at 11:20:15
You'll have to explain REBt to me again I'm afraid!! My memory is the pits these days!!
Well, CBT worked great on my anxiety with my old psychologist. I was her weekly and we had a great relationship, and it helped so much. But then she left to have a baby, and I was moved to a new one who decided I only needed to see her monthly, and that working on my self esteem was the way to go. But its not going so well.
I do believe in CBT, but don't understand how it will stop me hating myself. And mytherapist isn't helping me to understand either.
And unfortunately, no, theres no way I can see anyone privately. I only just make it through each month as it is, and my over draft is at its max.
You still on wellbrutin?? I've just started Reboxetine after a little med holiday!! *l*
Nikki x
Posted by pedr on October 14, 2003, at 6:42:39
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depres » pedr, posted by NikkiT2 on October 13, 2003, at 13:44:06
I will probably make my therapist cringe with my inaccuracies but my definition of REBT is that it is the practice of replacing your "unhealthy beliefs" with a collection of flexible, very powerful, logic-driven and evidence-powered "healthy beliefs".
It sounds rather grandiose/flower power but it's not at all like that. It boils down to learning to recognise, challenge and replace what REBT defines as the 3 main causes of emotional disturbance:
1. low frustration beliefs e.g. "I can't bear this dull job any more."
2. global rating beliefs e.g. "If someone looks approvingly at me then I'll be more worthy."
3. awfulizing beliefs e.g. "It'd just be _awful_ if that poor old person has no-one to look after them.".The corresponding "healthy" beliefs would be:
1. high frustration tolerance beliefs e.g. "This job is dull as sh*te but it's bearable - I won't dissolve and die if I sit here all afternoon."
2. part-rating beliefs e.g. "It'd be nice if he/she looks at me approvingly but it won't make me a "better person" if they do and it won't make me a "worse person" if they don't - I'm made up of too many things to be summed up like that.
3. anti-awfulizing beliefs e.g. "yes it'd be bloody rough should that old bloke not get any assistance but there are almost certainly worse injustices in the World - this isn't truly awful.<phew, swipes forehead with back of hand>
Anyway, there's a little taster.
HTH,
p
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 14, 2003, at 12:55:34
In reply to Re: Alcohol consumption time taken to feel depres, posted by pedr on October 14, 2003, at 6:42:39
It sounds a little like the CBT I had with old therapist, it was about looking at my unhealthy thoughts and how they affected me, and then building healthy thoughts instead.
Been googling it.. definatly looks interesting. Bet its not available on NHS though!!
Nikki
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