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Posted by alexandra_k on February 1, 2021, at 16:50:31
as we like to call it, now.
:-)
so...
the new xi-land government signed away our right to sue foreign manufacturers and the like for harms arising from vaccines.
they signed away the right of the people to do that.
but it's okay -- because I can phone up Moderna and say 'how much money for a vaccine' -- right? I mean... supposing I want a Moderna vaccine rather than a different sort of vaccine.
or did the new zealand government sign away the rights of it's citizens to purchase vaccination?
i don't mean to jump the cue. i'm happy to wait my turn. i'm happy to wait until it comes available to me given my priority status... i am young with no pre-existings. i don't think that i have undiagnosed lung issues. i am healthy and active. i am happy to wait my turn. but i get to make an informed decision about what vaccine i have -- right?
right?
or did our government sign away the rights of it's people?
why would i choose a vaccine where i don't have the right to sue the manufactuerer for harms arising? that doesn't seem sensible.
i'll pay more for the right to sue in america!!
why wouldn't the new xi-land government pay more for the right to sue in america!!
they could strike it rich!!
jeepers...
it would be buying insurance. wouldn't it? buying insurance that they took due care. that they followed the rules in the production and manufacter. because they would be ACCOUNTABLE to the highest standards of accountability that there are.
why wouldn't the new xi-land government want the very best for it's people?
or at least let us get on with our own affairs...
about that vaccine that i'll get to buy for myself, one day. off the internet or whatever. i wonder how much it will cost... i wonder what else i'll need. i suppose it will come with manufacturer instructions on administration. i'll make sure i adminster it right.
not like the administration of vaccine situation in Samoa where they mixed it with expired anasthetic resulting in wrongful death.
or do i need a prescription?
do i need the university to process the application of competent people...
to sign off on degree completion of competent people...
for the new xi-land government to publically advertise the jobs in health...
for the new xi-land government to hire the best candidates
for the new xi-land government to hold employees to account so that they are performing their job to best practice?or am in expected to give up all my rights of buying it myself and administering it myself...
in exchange for...
uh...
in exchange for...
grossly incompetent imbeils being the only people allowed to do anything in new xi-land.
is that the deal?
who wants to do business in / with new xi-land?
?
?
Posted by alexandra_k on February 1, 2021, at 16:54:50
In reply to new xi-land, posted by alexandra_k on February 1, 2021, at 16:50:31
medicine wants
medicine wants
medicine wantsmedicine wants exclusive prescription rights
medicine wants exclusive rights to perform surgeries
medicine wants
medicine wants
medicine wantsmedicine needs to realise that if medicine wants...
then medicine needs to be accountable to the people.
otherwise medicine has no right.
let me buy my own medicine off the internet.
let me perform my own surgeries.let me choose my clinician.
i don't care about medicine training and medicine qualification when medicine is incompetent to process applciations and completions and when medicine refuses to give qualifications to all and only the competent ones.
medicine has no rights.
medicine gave away it's rights when it chose not to be accountable.
end story.
awwwwwwwwwwwww poor medicine.
pooooooooooooooooooooor pooooooooooooooooooooooor medicine.you lose.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 1, 2021, at 17:01:09
In reply to Re: new xi-land, posted by alexandra_k on February 1, 2021, at 16:54:50
new xi-land doesn't process applications
new xi-land doesnt process completionsnothing gets done unless it's who you know or if you might have the ability to summon an angry mob of indignation and rage on your behalf or if you have money money dollar dollar bills to pave the way.
new xi-land doesn't have doctors
becuase it doesn't process teh applications to medicine
it doesn't process the completions
it doesn't publically advertise jobs
it doens't hire the best candidate for the job
it doesn't require the job to be done
it doesn't hold people accountable for not doing the jobit doesn't do any of the most basic of things that it is supposed to do.
new xi-land doesn't have doctors because doctors can't function here.
what few there are that come here can only write about how they cannot function here.unqualified unskilled people run rampant in our system doing whatever they want because they are rich (or posture) or because they persuade people they have the power to summon an angry mob.
surgeons can't function here becuase we've got 'ruralists' who are 'generalists' who basically do whatever they want in the hospitals.
they choose to call 'bad outcomes 'good outcomes' and they think they are doing amazing jobs!
they are doing anasthetics (involuntary immobilisations)
they are doing cesarians (accessing infants without parents seeing what samples and so on they are taking or whate they are administering to them at birth)
they are doing... whatever they want.the government really sold out it's people.
in return for...
uh...
just gave it away.
to be honest.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:23:37
In reply to Re: new xi-land doesn't have doctors, posted by alexandra_k on February 1, 2021, at 17:01:09
they just spew an endless succession of garbage -- showing they fail to understand the most basic of things.
what evidence is there that vaccinations prevent a person from acting as a vector, transmitting the virus from one person to another person (even if they are less likely to get sick of it, themselves?
where is the evidence?
show me?
now tell me why you want to vaccinate border workers first?
is the idea that they will believe themselves to be immune so they will use less PPE so they will more likely to engage in risky behaviors so they will be more likely to end up being vectors for community transmission?
is that the end goal?
is that the grand plan?
no?
then what are you thinking? oh please oh please oh please explain it to me...
why border workers who refuse the vaccine... may be stood down from their jobs.
*for their own good*.
f*ck*ng imbecels.
make public the data. so people can make their own informed decisions.
minister of everything scoffs to the camera:
'no, it won't be a case of people being able to rock up to their doctor and choose what vaccine they want'.
'they will take the vaccine (Pfizer, Moderna, or whatever) when they are offered it'.
'my way of the highway'.
'we have done the research. we have decided what is right for you.'
I think it infinitely more likely that the government traded away / bargained away the health of it's people.
modus operandi for the new xi-land government.
trying to obtain something a little special special for an elite miniority...
throwing the rest under a bus.
volunteering them for medical experiments *without their consent* volunteering them *on their behalf*. giving up the people's right to sue foreign manufacturers for tampered batches etc etc etc...
apparently the people can sue the government instead...
really?
and the government hires the judges to decide the cases too, does it? and the government chooses the kids to be trained in law... and the government chooses who gets to go to school at all (application processing no work-y)...
selling out... selling out... selling out...
make the data public.
they just don't understand that individual citizens are so much brighter and more capable of making good decisions about their own lives than they are.
always, you get these people determined to inflict their stupidity on the masses.
these discussions always take place behind closed doors (pharmaceutical negotiation etc) only because the government doesn't want to expose it's stupidity and ineptitude and incompetence.
i know the discussions are mostly of the form 'new xi-land refuses to comply with the most basic of rules regarding business and how to do business. always trying to sell out it's people in exchange for increasing advances for an elite minority... and in return...'
and in return...
the new zealand government gets screwed over... again and again and again...
good people cannot do business.
the government just keeps on selling out teh health of it's people.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:29:18
In reply to everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:23:37
and of course a medical doctor will write you a note to say that you don't have to be vaccinated...
otherwise if you choose to exercise your right to not have medical treatment (a vaccine) then...
no job for you.
because that's what the right to refuse to be subject to medical experimentation MEANS. it means the government has the right to exclude you from society and violate all your other rights if you don't comply with what the government wants of you.
of course.
they nailed it.
with their con-munications degrees. their bachelor of science majoring in human biology from teh university of auckalnd (no such degree) degrees...
of course. that's their job. of course, of course it is.
______________
good job contributing to the development of vaccines, new zealand!
good job contributing to manufacturing!
good job offering talented and / or skilled people to contribute to production!
really pulling your weight on the world stage.
good job.
i see you really earned teh fruits of the labor...
_____________
yep.
______________
we didn't invest in a portfolio at all.we are being given different batches because they want to see which batches are most effective.
they are doing an experiment in other words.
and the new xi-land government (as always) offers it's people up to be experimental victims and offers up all their data...
and calls that an intervention. and says that we have medical treatment in this country.
but we don't.
because we don't have doctors.
because we can't even process an application to enrol.
_____________
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:31:03
In reply to Re: everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:29:18
and of course the medical doctors...
all have the capacity to think critically about science research.
all have the capacity to read science research.
all have a basic grounding in science.
all are read-up on the latest of the science.
_____________
none of the above.
______________
the ''medical doctors'' were hand-picked carefully chosen to comply with government directive.
'these people get these jabs -- off you go'.
for their own good, of course.
that seems entirely plausible.
chortle
snort
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:35:05
In reply to Re: everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:31:03
1) Everybody must have the vaccine I want them to have when (and only when) I want them to have it!
2) We must not to a needs assessment! We must not gain a true measure of which people really really really want a vaccine and prioritise them (needing to select further if more people want the vaccine than there are vaccinations available).
I mean people have different degrees of hesitancy, ffs. Some people want it as soon as possible.
Other people want to hold off a bit.
Some people are flexible / malleable because they aren't sure.
But what we really must aim to do is to impose a course of action that involves frustrating people as much as possible.
The aim is to withhold vaccines from teh people who want them... And to target the people who dno't want them. The idea is to only treat the involutnary. That's the whole point of power. Arbitrarily inflicting it on others.
Clearly.
We will have an endless succession of meetings where tehre will be too many chiefs trying to impose their will on populations... Their stuplid f*ck*ng ideas their stuplid f*ck*ng plans their stupid... Their lack of undrestanding of the most basic of things...
Just exposing how they refuse to allow people to make good decisions for themselves...
These people determined to set the peopel they have duty of care of on a path of extinction.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:41:06
In reply to Re: everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:35:05
And if course it will come down to who knows who.
Like how you only get your visa processed if you pay a bribe or if you con an official into thinking you are rich or if you con an official into thinking you can muster an angry mob... Because you are a social influencer or you have the attention of the media...
That's the only way things get done, in new xi-land. By way of angry mob...
And some people will get letters of exemption from their doctors. Because that is the point of Doctors... To give some people (an elite minority) everything they want when they want it becauese they want it... And to withhold from others and to inflict various experimental things on others and to collect from others (inflicting viruses and vaccines and taking samples and organs and so on)...
And we (new zealanders) know about the state of our health care. about how we don't have access to the most basic of treatments that every other developed nation has access to.
because: things are too corrupt here.
the government can't fund it because they rightly see that the health system just hemorrhages money... all the administatiors and managers take all the money and there isn't any money left to pay the front line workers or to purchase the most basic of medical supplies.
the governmetn chooses who to pay how much to and some people get health insurance (in whcih case ACC will end up getting it)...
and ACC is apparently investing it's vast sums of money (that it didn't spend on getting healthcare to the people) on international stock-exchange / international businesses...
it's a f*ck*ng farce, for sure.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:48:36
In reply to Re: everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:41:06
teh point of acc is to delay approving the claim until the initial hospital visit is over.
that's how they make their vast sums of money.
because the largest expenses are associated with initial decisions that are made around whether the person gets the diagnostic scans and labs and what hospital they are in (public or private, particularly) and things like that.
so the people with private health insurance get in to the private hospitals initially because they have the security that if acc doesn't get it their health insurance company will.
and then the health insurance company gets ACC to cough up.
but the rest of the people don't get treatment because ACC delays processing them and so they simply don't get the scans and the like. they don't get told about 'options' (they don't get to make informed decisions about their care).
like the border workers and so on, now. the grand plan is that these people will take what vaccines they are offered when they are offered them (and be grateful for what they are given). and their family members will too...
otherwise...
there really does seem to be the threat of them losing their jobs. which means them (and their family) will starve.
i can only suppose that is the implication the government is portraying via the media, right now.
because that's what informed consent MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEANS. And because that's what the right to refuse medical treatment / the right to refuse to be the subject of medical experimentation MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEANS.
no.
the fact the new xi-land government doesn't get it. doesn't understand it. doesn't understand why it's important. doesn't understand the sicence well enough to know that rational informed people can disagree. doesn't understand the science well enough to know that there are factors that likely impact whether the vaccine is or is not right for you that they are blind do. they think they have the right to be blind because they are...
you guessed it...
wanting to run their medical trial.
and the government has decided that it's justified.
of course. your government knows what's right for you.
of course. of course they do.
the new xi-land government has such a good reputation of having made terrific decisions in that respect.
such a good track record of getting quality healthcare to the people...
not.
there's a lot of a problem, here.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:50:13
In reply to Re: everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:48:36
which is why we don't have vaccines yet.
and why we don't deserve to have them, any time soon.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 5, 2021, at 4:33:35
In reply to Re: everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2021, at 15:50:13
and Faucci says 'they've just started experimenting on children'
but they've been 'giving vaccines to pregnant women for...'
they open their mouths and sh*t falls out...
is it because they are indicating to sensible and competent people just how competent the medical response is...
or is it because that is how incompetent the medical response is...
the ethics lag so far behind...
duh f*ck*ng stupid idiots lead the ethics because duh f*ck*ng stupid idiots choose the moral leaders f*ck*ng duh snort chortle guffaw...
Posted by alexandra_k on February 5, 2021, at 4:49:53
In reply to Re: everytime they open their mouths..., posted by alexandra_k on February 5, 2021, at 4:33:35
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
and i wanted to help (genuinely)
and new xi-land thought that since i genuinely wanted to help, they should scam me for everything they could.
so awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww i just sing about their moral ineptitude and corruption.
i mean... that's what they don't pay to me do.
right?
they force me to do that because they refuse to allow me another way of life.
of all the stupid f*ck*ng choices that they had. that they chose to make.
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww the imbicels. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww f*ck*ng poooooooooooooooooooooooor poooooooooooooooooooooooooor them.
best throw them more money....
yeah. that's the problem.
the problem is the leaders don't have enough money.
This is the end of the thread.
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