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Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 7, 2022, at 11:21:48
Over many years I have tried:
SSRIs, SNRI's, Tricyclics, MOAI's, NDRI's, SAR's,microdosing LSD, anti-seizure meds, Parkison meds, Mood Stabilizers, ECTIt's been longer than I can remember since my depression has fully lifted. I'm Diagnosed with Major Bi-Polar Depressive Disorder, Anxiety, Insomnia, and ADD.
Taking Adderall for the ADD {it also helps me get /stay of bed sometimes),zanax for the anxiety, Ambien for sleep. And I take vitamins.
I'd settle for feeling just okay with a bit less self-loathing.
And, by the way, hello to anyone who is still here from several years back.
Posted by undopaminergic on February 7, 2022, at 14:34:33
In reply to please tell me there's something new, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 7, 2022, at 11:21:48
> Over many years I have tried:
> SSRIs, SNRI's, Tricyclics, MOAI's, NDRI's, SAR's,microdosing LSD, anti-seizure meds, Parkison meds, Mood Stabilizers, ECT
>
> It's been longer than I can remember since my depression has fully lifted. I'm Diagnosed with Major Bi-Polar Depressive Disorder, Anxiety, Insomnia, and ADD.
> Taking Adderall for the ADD {it also helps me get /stay of bed sometimes),zanax for the anxiety, Ambien for sleep. And I take vitamins.
> I'd settle for feeling just okay with a bit less self-loathing.
> And, by the way, hello to anyone who is still here from several years back.Hi elanor, I remember you from 2008. That's over 10 years ago!
Have you tried memantine?
-undopaminergic
Posted by Beckett2 on February 7, 2022, at 17:09:37
In reply to please tell me there's something new, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 7, 2022, at 11:21:48
Have you tried ketamine?
Hello back at you. Been here since 2009.
Posted by Hugh on February 8, 2022, at 13:03:01
In reply to please tell me there's something new, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 7, 2022, at 11:21:48
SSP (Safe and Sound Protocol) is auricular vagal nerve stimulation. SSP is used to treat anxiety, depression, PTSD, ADHD, autism, insomnia, autoimmune disorders, chronic pain by improving the functioning of the vagus nerve. After meeting with an SSP provider, the rest of this therapy can be done at home.
Headphones are used to listen to specially filtered music. The frequencies in the music stimulate "the inner ear, which affects a prominent cranial nerve [the vagus nerve] that runs throughout the brain, impacting your auditory, facial, respiratory, cardiac, and digestive systems. This cranial nerve is implicated in many physiological functions."
SSP was developed by Stephen Porges, a professor at Indiana University and at the University of North Carolina.
SSP clients listen to five hours of filtered music for one hour a day for five consecutive days. Some people prefer doing it for 30 minutes a day or 15 minutes a day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec3AUMDjtKQ
https://www.stephenporges.com/
SSP testimonial for complex trauma and anxiety:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwAQUjFYbI
This is an introductory video about SSP:
Frequently asked questions about SSP:
https://stepbystepcounselingllc.com/special-programs/safe-sound-protocol-ssp/
There are SSP therapists in over 50 countries. To find one near you, submit this form. You'll be emailed a provider map and a password to access it.
https://integratedlistening.com/about-ils/find-ils-locations/
You might not even have to meet in person with a therapist. Some SSP therapists do the assessment and follow-up over the phone or on Zoom, and email an audio file to download. Or they'll snail mail an MP3 player and headphones.
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 11, 2022, at 10:40:48
In reply to Re: please tell me there's something new, posted by Hugh on February 8, 2022, at 13:03:01
so sorry. :-(
I take loads of vitamins, too (DIY Orthomolecular...seems to help, tremendously). My own, personal, -non-expert- suggestion would be to work with what you have going on, now.
so...adderall. how is it dosed? sufficient? xr form? ir? both? any crashes here and there that might be making things worse?
same for xanax. there's an xr...not ideal, but it tends to be smoother, overall, than multiple ir tablets throughout the day. If I recall correctly (and, please keep in mind; I could be incorrect...I often am, lol), xanax xr is associated with a bit less dosage escalation, over time, than the IR stuff. Or someone claims so, anyway.
ambien...not a big fan, myself, but some people do well on it, long term. the bigger, more pressing issue: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. and then...
vitamins. :-) I just decided to add in relatively high dose (total 6 grams of the EPA, DHA good stuff, spread over 10 caps, 5 caps AM and again PM) in the hopes of mellowing out my mood...
and hopefully giving my skin a movie star glow. lol. :-)
but seriously. I've been doing much, much better with high dose C plus b-complex plus niacinamide (its the form of B3 I prefer). The B3 is currently at 6 grams/daily, for me, which...
short term, helps just -simmer down- , and now that I've been consistent about both overall intake and also about dosing (3x daily! its an accomplishment, for me!), I find...
fewer rumination, thoughts flow more freely...fewer of those obsessive "loops" and such. mood is...better, lucid and calmer and brighter and more...
"...of sound mind..," I think.
oh, and I decided to top off my DIY Orthomolecular protocol with astaxanthin @ 24mgs/daily (12mgs capsules, 2 with food in the AM) and then Pycnogenol @ 200mgs/day (100mgs capsules, 2x daily).
The Pycnogenol...-shrug-. Less expensive options out there. I just sometimes go for brand name stuff because of the little studies the manufacturer has funded, plus the hope (finger crossed...) that they're good about quality control.
Astaxanthin seems to be helpful, in the sense that I have a tad more energy, concentration, and...yeah. just...good times. For a while, I took 12mgs of the Hawaiian stuff, then I stumbled on this brand...
its from Israel? never heard of it before, but it "gets the job done," and its less expen$ive than the Nutrex, and the manufacturer seems legit and all, so...ok. good times.
again, sorry you're suffering. some other things (supplements) that just now popped into my mind that might be helpful for you, at some point...
Suntheanine (branded theanine...I go for this stuff because I hope they do quality control...), ashwagandha (I went for the Jarrow version, it was on sale and worked well for me, personally), rhodiola (did well with both NOW and Solaray), Schisandra (currently take the solaray when I feel so inclined...), and then...
some data would indicate that coenzyme q-10 supplements can boost mood and overall quality of life in -some- people with -some- forms of depression (really helpful, I know). 200mgs seems to be the going dosage for psych indications. using a supplement with BioPerine seems to help absorption...
personally, I haven't added in coenzyme q-10 just yet, but I did find BioPerine on sale to add in to what I take now. Seems to help me get more mileage out of what's already in the protocol.
ok. try to have a good day :-)
Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 15, 2022, at 19:56:21
In reply to Re: please tell me there's something new, posted by Christ_empowered on February 11, 2022, at 10:40:48
thank you for your responses
Ketamine is beyond my financial means
Vagal Nerve Stimulation interests me. I've always wondered about the potential of inner ear & calming sounds.
I'm going to look up Memantine
and listen more to Stephen Porges.
and in answer to the question if I am happy with what i am taking now. no. it just keeps me moderately functional. my depression has not lifted for years and years
How did I get lost from Psycho-Babble? Things were getting tense for a while and then, for me, the site disappeared. I was a long-timer and felt lost. Found you all again by chance. Good to be back. Again, thanks for the input.
Posted by Beckett2 on February 17, 2022, at 1:19:49
In reply to Re: please tell me there's something new, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 15, 2022, at 19:56:21
Mrs Roosevelt, ketamine is also available through telemedicine. You can maintain on pharmacy compounded ketamine that is fairly cheap. Check out this doctor https://www.reddit.com/r/TherapeuticKetamine/comments/s12vww/first_appointment_with_dr_smith_ketamine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
He has a number of online patients. Heres some comments from Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/TherapeuticKetamine/comments/pk7hcl/directory_for_telemedicine_doctors_let_us/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Good luck.
Posted by Hugh on February 19, 2022, at 17:19:14
In reply to Re: please tell me there's something new, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 15, 2022, at 19:56:21
> Vagal Nerve Stimulation interests me. I've always wondered about the potential of inner ear & calming sounds.
I finished doing Porges's Safe and Sound Protocol yesterday. I did it Monday through Friday, one hour per day. Some people prefer doing it for 30 minutes per day over a two-week period, and I can see why. I found listening to filtered music to be surprisingly tiring. I felt drowsy during each session, and started to nod off from time to time, but never fell asleep. If you fall asleep for more than a few minutes during a session, you're supposed to start over.
Improvements so far:
Better sleep
Better mood
More relaxed
Better digestionMany people who've done SSP report that they continued to improve for 6-8 weeks after treatment. Some people opt to do booster sessions two or three months after the initial treatment.
I hope my improvements will continue to build, or to at least hold steady. I'll report on this again later.
A detailed explanation of how the Safe and Sound Protocol works:
https://www.emdrwestonsupermare.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/SSPScience.pdf
Posted by SLS on February 20, 2022, at 16:46:11
In reply to Re: please tell me there's something new, posted by Hugh on February 19, 2022, at 17:19:14
Intranasal ketamine preparations produced by a local hypothecary or compounding pharmacy is dirt-cheap. You might pay as little as $75 for three months. Ask your doctor to let you try intranasal ketamine. The dosages are probably best obtained by surveying the medical literature.
Some people retain their emissions by finding the optimal schedule for dosing. After obtaining a satisfactory improvement, one often maintains it using ketamine dosing every 3 to 5 days.CAVEAT: More is not better. If the dosage of ketamine is too high, no improvement appears, regardless of the time allowed to pass. A good rule of thumb for I.V. ketamine is that an amount sufficient to produce mild dissociation works best. (I am not aware of the most current guidelines).
First, try to find a compounding pharmacy capable of preparing nasal ketamine. Ask the pharmacist for a list of doctors who prescribe intranasal ketamine.
Investigate the most current information on nasal ketamine so that you fine-tune your dosing amount and scheduling.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by undopaminergic on February 21, 2022, at 8:34:29
In reply to Re: please tell me there's something new » Hugh, posted by SLS on February 20, 2022, at 16:46:11
> Intranasal ketamine preparations produced by a local hypothecary or compounding pharmacy is dirt-cheap.
>Hypothecary? Maybe you mean apothecary?
-undopaminergic
Posted by SLS on February 22, 2022, at 8:49:08
In reply to Re: please tell me there's something new, posted by undopaminergic on February 21, 2022, at 8:34:29
> > Intranasal ketamine preparations produced by a local hypothecary or compounding pharmacy is dirt-cheap.
> >
>
> Hypothecary? Maybe you mean apothecary?
Yes. Thank you.
- Scott
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