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Posted by Denise1904 on January 25, 2022, at 16:32:52
I'm in the UK, About six months ago, I was asked if I wanted to take part in a survey about smoking as if I did I might qualify for a chest xray and lung checks.
They asked me lots of questions such as my social status, my education (if I had a degree), my profession etc etc. The ONE, obvious question they failed to ask me, was about my mental health history! Now I no that we can't all blame smoking on mental health and that people do smoke without having issues with their mental health but I would have thought that would be an obvious contributing factor.
I imagine that somebody/bodies got paid a substantial amount of money for putting that stupid questionnaire together.
Denise
Posted by undopaminergic on January 26, 2022, at 11:27:09
In reply to Can you believe this?, posted by Denise1904 on January 25, 2022, at 16:32:52
> I'm in the UK, About six months ago, I was asked if I wanted to take part in a survey about smoking as if I did I might qualify for a chest xray and lung checks.
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> They asked me lots of questions such as my social status, my education (if I had a degree), my profession etc etc. The ONE, obvious question they failed to ask me, was about my mental health history! Now I no that we can't all blame smoking on mental health and that people do smoke without having issues with their mental health but I would have thought that would be an obvious contributing factor.
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> I imagine that somebody/bodies got paid a substantial amount of money for putting that stupid questionnaire together.
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> DeniseHospitalisation made me start smoking cigarettes largely out of boredom.
I had experimented with smoking before, but didn't pick up the habit at that time. Now, it's been a few years since I smoked, but I'm still taking Nicorette.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2022, at 2:39:06
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 26, 2022, at 11:27:09
Many patients pick up bad habits in hospital. I have seen MANY "borderliners" starting to cut themselves in hospital when they didn't before. Hanging around in bed in the middle of the day is what I picked up from there. It is not good.
It costs more money, but I'd say most would be better served to get visits in their home rather than going to hospital. In and out of hospital for decades is pretty pricey, too, but the hospital doesn't care $$$
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2022, at 2:45:55
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2022, at 2:39:06
They macimize the amount of pills given to you and minimize the actual care.
Posted by undopaminergic on January 27, 2022, at 8:42:59
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2022, at 2:45:55
> They macimize the amount of pills given to you and minimize the actual care.
I agree they seem to be preoccupied with drugs, and antipsychotics seem to be their darling class.
-undopaminergic
Posted by undopaminergic on January 27, 2022, at 8:49:54
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2022, at 2:39:06
> Many patients pick up bad habits in hospital. I have seen MANY "borderliners" starting to cut themselves in hospital when they didn't before.
>How do they find knives/razors in hospital?
I've come across at least one "cutter" in hospital. She had scars all over her arm(s). Once I saw she had a big patch on her arm, apparently after she had been home for a holiday.
> Hanging around in bed in the middle of the day is what I picked up from there. It is not good.
>I've recently picked up the habit of spending the first few hours of the day in bed. I hate this development. I think the depression might have worsened.
> It costs more money, but I'd say most would be better served to get visits in their home rather than going to hospital. In and out of hospital for decades is pretty pricey, too, but the hospital doesn't care $$$
>Yes.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2022, at 9:17:26
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 27, 2022, at 8:42:59
Those were hospitals with not so strict rules I guess
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 2:04:30
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2022, at 9:17:26
We ate with knives etc. No one cared for their whereabouts. They often threatened the borderliners to throw them out if they continue cutting.
Posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2022, at 8:20:37
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 2:04:30
> We ate with knives etc.
Yeah, but it would be very difficult to cut yourself with that type of knife.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 10:54:49
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2022, at 8:20:37
Well we werent strip searched and could go outside if there was no imminent suicidality.
Posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2022, at 12:02:05
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 10:54:49
> Well we werent strip searched and could go outside if there was no imminent suicidality.
>OK, I get it. It's essentially the same where I am now.
If I were to cut myself they would probably move me to a more restrictive ward and/or go through my stuff looking for sharp implements.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 12:47:46
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2022, at 12:02:05
Well dont. You might as well tattoo mentally ill on your forehead.
> OK, I get it. It's essentially the same where I am now.
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> If I were to cut myself they would probably move me to a more restrictive ward and/or go through my stuff looking for sharp implements.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 12:50:08
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 12:47:46
Whats new in there? So no stimulants. Anything else that could be helpful?
Posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2022, at 14:29:24
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2022, at 12:50:08
> Well dont. You might as well tattoo mentally ill on your forehead.
Most cuts are a little more discreet than that. Anyway, I've never been tempted.
> Whats new in there? So no stimulants. Anything else that could be helpful?
Still on the trimipramine, lamotrigine, sulpiride, and clozapine. I'm trying to get vortioxetine.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 29, 2022, at 1:09:34
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2022, at 14:29:24
Low dose sulpiride? Does it brighten your mood? Is it one of the neuroleptics that can actually increase dopamine a bit at low dose? I thought about that. It could give you some stimulation and maybe that is more feasible for you than a full blown stimulant.
Posted by undopaminergic on January 29, 2022, at 7:33:07
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 29, 2022, at 1:09:34
> Low dose sulpiride?
Not quite. 400 mg. The idea was to initiate it so that the clozapine could be reduced. I don't know why they think I need these high doses. I take 350 mg of clozapine. I have no psychotic symptoms, and that would tend to indicate that the dose is excessive.
> Does it brighten your mood?
Not that I can notice.
> Is it one of the neuroleptics that can actually increase dopamine a bit at low dose?
>Yes, it and amisulpride; maybe others. Flupenthixol is antidepressive, but the mechanism of this action is unknown.
> I thought about that. It could give you some stimulation and maybe that is more feasible for you than a full blown stimulant.
>It was more potent than methylphenidate when I first tried it, and free from the noradrenergic side effects, but complete tolerance developed quickly.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 30, 2022, at 5:32:12
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 29, 2022, at 7:33:07
Have you ever tried any supplements? Did anything notable happen? Once in hospital they accepted that I took some while I was there. That was a cool move.
Posted by undopaminergic on January 30, 2022, at 8:04:11
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 30, 2022, at 5:32:12
> Have you ever tried any supplements?
Numerous. For example several racetams, NAC, SAMe, sulbutiamine, vinpocetine, L-theanine, several other amino acids, taurine, huperzine A, rhodiola rosea, ginseng, sida cordifolia, and more that doesn't come to mind.
> Did anything notable happen?
I remembered more of my dreams on huperzine A. I seemed to get some kind of effect from L-theamine, but I can't describe it.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 30, 2022, at 9:31:56
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 30, 2022, at 8:04:11
Okay. B Vitamins (active form) ever? Vitamin D?
Posted by undopaminergic on January 30, 2022, at 9:55:51
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 30, 2022, at 9:31:56
> Okay. B Vitamins (active form) ever?
I've tried B vitamins several times, including pyridoxine. However, I have yet to try nicotinamide mononucleotide (NMN).
> Vitamin D?
I get that, and a multivitamin, now as part of my hospital regimen.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 30, 2022, at 10:10:43
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 30, 2022, at 9:55:51
Oh good. So they are not traditional medicine extremists. Have you ever tried a b complex?
Posted by undopaminergic on January 30, 2022, at 10:17:49
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by Lamdage22 on January 30, 2022, at 10:10:43
> Oh good. So they are not traditional medicine extremists.
The doses are conventional.
I got the multivitamin because I'm so picky about what I eat.
I don't know why they started the vitamin D.
> Have you ever tried a b complex?
Yes.
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 30, 2022, at 11:40:07
In reply to Re: Can you believe this?, posted by undopaminergic on January 30, 2022, at 10:17:49
At least they give it to you. It doens't hurt. In many ways.
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