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Posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 13:13:42
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 3:00:31
I'm sorry I overdid it a bit here
Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:44:51
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 2, 2021, at 11:00:44
Hey RJ
If everybody got the vaccine, COVID would likely end and everybody could get back to normal.
Unfortunately, many people (fueled by gross misinformation) will avoid the vaccine, allowing the virus to mutate. This will only prolong the suffering for everybody.
The risk of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of adverse reactions to COVID.
I know people want to sum it up to government control yadi-yada, but honestly I applaud a firm government where a firm government is required. Covid is one of those instances.
United we live. Divided we die.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:48:21
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » linkadge, posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2021, at 11:41:31
Canada is vaccinating, although at a slower pace than in the US.
Again, if the evidence were to change, then yea, I might reconsider. But the reactions to the vaccine are few and far between.
I mean, some people have an anaphylactic reaction to lamotrigine. However, this is not a reason to avoid trying it (if it could prove beneficial).
Most of the medications we take (on a daily bases) are far more risky (on paper) than the COVID vaccine.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:59:25
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:18:50
>One concern that I have heard is that anti->bodies have the potential to bind not just to >the pathogens that we want them to bind to -- >but to parts of the persons body (which is >one form of auto-immune disorder).
I'm noticing a trend here. People who say they don't want the vaccine are saying ..... "I've heard ....". There's a lot of misinformation out there. People say a lot of uneducated and uninformed things. Those things travel and get passed on by people who don't want to cognitively challenge them.
Think of it this way. How much misinformation is there about antidepressants out there? Many of us take them. Many of us depend on them. If you trusted a redit newsgroup for your advice on antidepressant safety, then you'd just run for the hills. Of course there are risks and unknowns, but all of this needs to stay in perspective.
Again, many people here take lamotrigine. It can cause severe dermatological reactions. However, it is not causing an autoimmune disorder. It is simply a reaction (likely due to some yet-unidentified genetic variations). Most people who have a reaction to lamotrigine recover just fine once the drug is removed. Yeah, some die, but it's extremely rare in proportion to the number of people that benefit.
If you had published scientific research, then of course, would take a look. A vaccine does not activate the immune system in perpetuity. It briefly activates the immune system so that antibodies can be produced.
Here's another way to think of it. Every single time you have a cold or flu (or any infection) you immune system is activated!! Does this mean you develop an autoimmune disorder because the antibodies produced start attacking your body? Of course not. Autoimmune disorders are poorly understood, but there is no established link to vaccines.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 7:11:24
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:30:13
>So the idea isn't that vaccinations CAUSE >disease or disorder...
>But the vaccination could serve as a stimulus or >trigger for a pre-existing susceptibility...
>And one way of viewing it is that that is a very >very very rare situation.
Exactly. There are huge differences in genetics which (some day) may explain why some people react certain ways to certain things.
Most people can eat peanuts just fine. Some people have an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts and die. However, this is rare and is not a reason to ban or avoid peanuts entirely. Most people who have a reaction can take epinephrine and recover just fine. The peanuts did not cause the autoimmune disorder - they triggered it. In fact some studies show that early life exposure to peanuts actually reduces the risk of later reactions. Yes, peanuts caused the reaction, but they did not cause the susceptibility to the reaction. In other words, peanuts weren't the cause, they were the trigger in susceptible individuals. What is causing the rise in peanut allergies? Who knows. But there are a kazillion more industrial chemicals in our bodies than there were a few decades ago. Any one of them could be the reason.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on February 4, 2021, at 9:15:49
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Phillipa, posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:48:21
Link you are so very knowledgeable and always have been. Seems that some States here are much slower to vaccinate than others are. I wrote my endo whose RN said to get the vaccine in SC since I do have an appointment here mid March. Seems that the event at the Panther's Stadium where many thousands of people were vaccinated last weekend used up the supply allotted to NC. As for the immune response was informed the the older a person is the less robust the immune system is. Hence those that live with family around where I live don't experience side effects at all. So this means that the vaccine doesn't work as well in them. So far no one that lives in the homes here had a reaction other than a sore arm to the first vaccine inoculation. But with the second dose if your body produced antibodies than feeling tired, achy, is a good thing. Is this your understanding also? Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2021, at 16:02:39
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » rjlockhart37, posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:44:51
I believe you, but is it taken into account that not everybody will get COVID?
> The risk of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of adverse reactions to COVID.
Posted by Phillipa on February 5, 2021, at 9:17:30
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2021, at 16:02:39
But what if you do? Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:26:39
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » linkadge, posted by Phillipa on February 4, 2021, at 9:15:49
Having some reaction to the vaccine (i.e. mild flu like symptoms, mild headache) is a sign that the vaccine has activated your immune system (as it is intended to do). This may mean that the vaccine 'takes' better. However, just because you don't react to the vaccine, doesn't mean you won't benefit.
The studies are showing that (even in high risk populations) the vaccine can cut your risk of death significantly.
I don't know about you, but if I got COVID, I sure would appreciate a 50-90% less risk of dying (or getting long term complications for that matter).
As mentioned before, there is some evidence that the virus can longer in the brain. I have had enough issues with fatigue, depression, brain fog, anxiety ect. to risk it.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on February 5, 2021, at 11:54:19
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:26:39
Link, so true as well as myself the anxiety issue with OCD with ruminations. So I torture myself going over and over why I should and why I shouldn't. I would love it if it just disappeared. But know it won't and no I don't want to die and at almost 75 I sure could. If you lived here I would ask you to be my coach on the vaccine. Any good articles you have would be much appreciated. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:54:54
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2021, at 16:02:39
>I believe you, but is it taken into account that >not everybody will get COVID?
Just looking at data from Norway...there have been 165,000 vaccines delivered and 22 deaths (under investigation for *possible* link to the vaccine). These deaths were among frail elderly. The deaths are *not* believed to be because of the direct effects of the vaccine. Any activation of the immune system can be an issue if you are very frail. 22 deaths out of 165,000 doses is equivalent to (at most) 1 death in 7500. The death rate from COVID is closer to 1 in 100. This makes COVID 75 times more lethal than the vaccine. That is assuming that the vaccine actually killed these 22. In terms of saying that "not everybody will get COVID" consider this. Do you know anybody who has never had the flu? COVID is with us to stay. It is highly infectious, airborne, and will continue to spread among those who don't get vaccinated. You can either get the vaccine or (eventually) get COVID (and then take your chances).
Now perhaps you just want to 'wait and see'. That's a rational approach and I respect that. However, don't let your guard down while you're waiting to see.
Posted by Phillipa on February 5, 2021, at 17:32:40
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:54:54
Excellent post. Time to get serious . Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 5, 2021, at 20:48:05
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:54:54
What is PEG in the vaccines?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 5, 2021, at 23:31:04
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:54:54
conspiracies theories (and only theories) - covid was engineered in a lab, and distributed to mass populations, with deaths, requiring a vacinne, which discreet illness in some people who get it. 2nd - control, and keeping the populations manageable size, and or under control. Free speech, 20th century traditions and laws are gone, we're in a new century with new orders and guidelines.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 0:55:39
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:54:54
Thanks for responding. Yeah you are absolutely right, we are impaired enough as it is. We don't need impairment ontop of the impairment we already have. So long term psychiatric consequences of COVID are frequent?
Yeah I want to wait and see right now even though I am a bit tired of the "celibate" lifestyle.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 1:10:34
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 0:55:39
The real question is if the Vaccine could have more negative long term consequences than COVID. Im not sure if that can be answered after just one year. It is still a guess. Maybe somewhat educated, but not entirely sure. It is still a bit of a gamble
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 3:24:18
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 1:10:34
Then again, COVID might have long term consequences we dont yet know about, as well. I dont have a firm opinion on the vaccines, I just want to make the best choice
Posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:12:09
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 5, 2021, at 23:31:04
>conspiracies theories (and only theories) - >covid was engineered in a lab, and distributed >to mass populations, with deaths, requiring a >vacinne, which discreet illness in some people >who get it. 2nd - control, and keeping the >populations manageable size, and or under >control. Free speech, 20th century traditions >and laws are gone, we're in a new century with >new orders and guidelines.
I like a good conspiracy theory myself. But, at the end of the day not a lot of those make a whole lot of sense. Sh*t does just happen from time to time.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:18:33
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 3:24:18
>Then again, COVID might have long term >consequences we dont yet know about, as well. I >dont have a firm opinion on the vaccines, I just >want to make the best choice
That's what is apparently happening with some folks. I have a friend who is still dealing with crippling fatigue and brain fog (a lawyer) after contracting COVID. This is being reported by many researchers. COVID can cause an inflammatory response which can wreak havoc on the brain, heart, organs etc.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2021, at 8:55:49
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:18:33
What is the PEG that is responsible for those that get serious side effects from the vaccine? Thanks!
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2021, at 11:50:04
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:18:33
Also now radiologists are finding swollen axillary lymph nodes during screening mammograms. I'm beginning to not want the vaccine yet again. Already different side effects on emerging. This one is on the CDC website. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 23:22:12
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2021, at 11:50:04
Do you have a link? How frequent?
> Also now radiologists are finding swollen axillary lymph nodes during screening mammograms. I'm beginning to not want the vaccine yet again. Already different side effects on emerging. This one is on the CDC website. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2021, at 8:57:44
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 23:22:12
CDC website for USA. Remember they said it goes away after a few weeks. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2021, at 14:57:45
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2021, at 8:57:44
So what I have heard is that Comirnaty and the Moderna vaccine only protect the vaccinated and not those around them. Astra Zenecas vaccine does protect those around but it protects 70% as opposed to 95%.
Does anybode know?
Posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2021, at 17:28:58
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2021, at 14:57:45
Is the one that begins with the C Pfizer here in USA? Or is it Johnson & Johnson soon to be released here one shot only? From what I know the vaccines protect the person vaccinated from serious Covid but they can be asymptomatic and spread to others? Is this what you have heard also? Phillipa
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