![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
[email protected]Shown: posts 1 to 10 of 10. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by SLS on February 2, 2019, at 6:52:21
I found a nice article describing the history behind the discovery and phenomenology of Lyme Disease and other tick-borne illnesses. I think some people exaggerate the incidence of Lyme Disease in psychiatric syndromes. Nevertheless, it is good to know things.
- Scott
Posted by bleauberry on February 3, 2019, at 8:38:20
In reply to Lyme Disease article., posted by SLS on February 2, 2019, at 6:52:21
I would just add that the patients who take it seriously show the greatest improvements, and those who don't, don't.
I would also add to it, that mold toxicity is more common than any of us know, and is really toxic to the brain. And that most of it is coming from our food choices, not from our homes.
And that the actual issues are not determined by the label of "the thing", but rather, the resulting inflammation and toxicity from it. Our enemy is not mold, or lyme, or virus, or gluten, or a dozen other things - our enemy is the body's reaction to those. Which we can objectively measure and treat with both supplements and meds.
I would also add that there is danger in cherry picking literature that fits a preconceived notion. It is better to not cherry pick, to look deeply into what you disagree with, as well as what you do agree with, and everything in between, and form a "big picture" from all of it, that encompasses all of it.
Everything I have said here is really hard for the depressed patient and nobody understands that better than I do.
That's why I insist everyone needs a clinician who has significant extracurricular training and expertise in all of these areas, rather than a specialist who is not much different than cherry picking.
> I found a nice article describing the history behind the discovery and phenomenology of Lyme Disease and other tick-borne illnesses. I think some people exaggerate the incidence of Lyme Disease in psychiatric syndromes. Nevertheless, it is good to know things.
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2019, at 0:32:08
In reply to Re: Lyme Disease article., posted by bleauberry on February 3, 2019, at 8:38:20
I thought I might have Lyme Disease when I got back from the US. I found a couple small ticks that travelled with me. And when I got back I felt very very very depressed for quite some time. But then struggling with quitting smoking and stuff, too. But I was very sick. Psychologically and physically, too. I thought it was Lyme.
I don't think it was now, because I didn't get the rash. But who knows. Maybe it was.
Posted by bleauberry on February 4, 2019, at 6:51:41
In reply to Re: Lyme Disease article., posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2019, at 0:32:08
Your symptoms and tick exposure are enough to justify treatment, as far as I am concerned. If you can find an LLMD in your area for a clinical diagnosis that would be the best route. But in a not-so-perfect world, sometimes patients have to act on their own if they feel knowledgable enough to do so. There are plenty of books and blogs out there to get started on your own with simple over the counter herbal products, which can be almost as good as prescriptions. Whatever you do, if you do anything, start with very low doses and go slowly.
Only half of lyme patients ever get a rash. And those who do get a rash, it doesn't always look like a bullseye. Sometimes it can look like a red blotch or a whole bunch of spots sort of like measles.
My journey taught me that lyme infections are way more common than the general public wants to admit. Estimates are that for every one case correctly diagnosed, there are 9 other cases misdiagnosed as something else, or in your case, where there was never a diagnosis.
My doctors say psychiatric symptoms are almost universal with lyme patients. Especially treatment resistant patients. They said it can be as high as 9 out of 10 patients have psych issues from it. Literature suggests it is maybe 3 out of 10. In any case, it's a lot of people. Even if we go with the 3 out of 10, that means that 3 of the 10 posters here at psychobabble could very likely have an undiagnosed stealth chronic infection. If we go with my doctors clinical experiences, then that suggests 9 out of 10 babblers have some stealth hidden microbial issues at the heart of their troubles.
It's hard to treat with psych meds because there is so much messed up in the body's circuits and the brains wiring. Dopamine, serotonin, GABA, cortisol..they all get severely messed up. In my experience the best way to compensate is not with reuptake inhibitors, but rather, with agonists. For example a dopamine agonist would be Ritalin or Adderall. A GABA agonist would be a benzodiazepine or Lemon Balm herb. Not sure about a serotonin agonist.Antagonists such as antipsychotics I think are also helpful in treating lyme symptoms. They can block, or force out, a lot of the toxins saturating the brain receptors.
With lyme things are always in motion, never staying the same for very long, and that makes treatment with psych meds difficult as well. There are unexplained good days and unexplained bad days. A patient may need different meds for the different days.
Anyway, I am very sorry for your experience. Keep learning and keep fighting!
> I thought I might have Lyme Disease when I got back from the US. I found a couple small ticks that travelled with me. And when I got back I felt very very very depressed for quite some time. But then struggling with quitting smoking and stuff, too. But I was very sick. Psychologically and physically, too. I thought it was Lyme.
>
> I don't think it was now, because I didn't get the rash. But who knows. Maybe it was.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2019, at 12:03:42
In reply to Re: Lyme Disease article., posted by bleauberry on February 4, 2019, at 6:51:41
thanks. I am okay, now. I don't know whether it was that, or not, but things came right for me, eventually.
Posted by SLS on February 6, 2019, at 19:34:07
In reply to Lyme Disease article., posted by SLS on February 2, 2019, at 6:52:21
> I found a nice article describing the history behind the discovery and phenomenology of Lyme Disease and other tick-borne illnesses. I think some people exaggerate the incidence of Lyme Disease in psychiatric syndromes. Nevertheless, it is good to know things.
>
> - Scott
Oops. I forgot to post the link.
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on February 18, 2019, at 16:49:02
In reply to Re: Lyme Disease article., posted by bleauberry on February 4, 2019, at 6:51:41
Within two days of taking the colloidal silver my depressed symptoms were gone.
https://ehealthforum.com/health/how-i-accidentally-cured-my-depression-t271560.html
Posted by SLS on February 20, 2019, at 17:05:34
In reply to Re: Lyme Disease article., posted by Jeroen on February 18, 2019, at 16:49:02
> Within two days of taking the colloidal silver my depressed symptoms were gone.
>
>
> https://ehealthforum.com/health/how-i-accidentally-cured-my-depression-t271560.htmlThanks. I never heard of that.
- Scott
Posted by Shar on April 3, 2019, at 23:24:57
In reply to Lyme Disease article. Oops. I forgot the link., posted by SLS on February 6, 2019, at 19:34:07
Hi, SLS, Shar here. Do you remember me? I've recently lost my partner, Dayworks whom you may remember (he died, he's not really lost). I thought I'd come back to the board here and see if I still knew anybody. Do I know you? There was an SLS when I was last here (about 2003).
Posted by SLS on May 14, 2019, at 8:35:49
In reply to Hi, SLS, posted by Shar on April 3, 2019, at 23:24:57
> Hi, SLS, Shar here. Do you remember me? I've recently lost my partner, Dayworks whom you may remember (he died, he's not really lost). I thought I'd come back to the board here and see if I still knew anybody. Do I know you? There was an SLS when I was last here (about 2003).
Hi, Shar.
Of course I remember you! I can't believe it has been that long. I'm sorry for your loss.
I have had limited success with the treatment of my depression over the years, but haven't come anywhere close to remission. I recently started taking Trintellix. I haven't been on it for long enough to come to any conclusions. There have been hints of improvement, but nothing major. I am not discouraged at this point. Well, maybe a little.
What has been happening with you?
- Scott
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
[email protected]
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.