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Posted by Mogger on July 22, 2018, at 16:39:06
I bought the uncommon D-Phenylalanine because it is supposed to be good for anxiety and depression due to stopping the breakdown of endorphins. Any dopamine norepinephrine supplements (L-Phenylalanine) give me anxiety so I am blown away as to the anti anxiety effect D-Phenylalanine is giving me. Does anyone know about this supplement? I heard it can cause Tardive... when taken with an anti psychotic but I have also heard the D version doesnt primarily work with dopamine and norepinephrine. I take a low dose of zyprexa so I am a bit worried about it causing tardive... but willing to take the risk. Many thanks for your thoughts
Posted by Christ_empowered on July 22, 2018, at 19:23:03
In reply to D (not L) Phenylalanine to augment ADs?, posted by Mogger on July 22, 2018, at 16:39:06
hi. what ive read (which may or may not be accurate) is that it can exacerbate TD. maybe it could increase the risk...a former shrink told me that stimulants can increase the TD risk w/ tranquilizers. something about damage to D2 receptors...
anyway, if you don't have TD right now, I personally don't see the harm in trying it, at least for a short time.
oh, quick question...do you get the AIMS test, for TD? I didn't get one until recently. Good thing I take all those antioxidants...it seems I'm good to go...one would think they'd be a bit more conscientious about monitoring for TD, but...oh well...
good luck. :-)
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 23, 2018, at 22:22:11
In reply to D (not L) Phenylalanine to augment ADs?, posted by Mogger on July 22, 2018, at 16:39:06
this is gonna sound wierd, but the D-phenyalanine is not natural, its synthetic, its made in a lab, where as l-phenyalyaline is natural
d version is good for pain, if you google dexto-phenylalanine it will say it increases endorphins, it acts like MAOI for endorphins, it prevents them from being broken down, and also that helps mood
DL phenylalanine works well, it seems to help mood better, and not as like l-tyrosine which can work quickly but if you take too much tyrosine it feels like you had too much caffeine, your very irritable
Posted by bleauberry on July 26, 2018, at 14:58:16
In reply to D (not L) Phenylalanine to augment ADs?, posted by Mogger on July 22, 2018, at 16:39:06
I took D-Phen. when I was on the cocktail Prozac+Zyprexa+Modafinil. It was so long ago and the memory is blurry.
But I recall it was stronger than I expected and I had a hard time getting on it. And I didn't stay with it. But many supplements turned out to be like that, for me.
I think there is fair potential with the precursors but real life success stories are rare.
A low dose would be a wise way to approach it if there is any fear. For example, if's powder in a capsule, dump it onto a plate and separate out maybe 1/8th of it and just do that to start. Slowly increase another 1/8th in a few days. And feel it out from there.
Posted by mogger on July 26, 2018, at 15:14:40
In reply to Re: D (not L) Phenylalanine to augment ADs? » Mogger, posted by bleauberry on July 26, 2018, at 14:58:16
Thank you everyone for your thoughts. I am worried it will cause anxiety as dopamine and norepinephrine dont do well with my ocd. I liked the endorphin attribute that the D-Phenylalanine seems to have. Bleauberry what supplements if any do you think go well with pharmaceuticals? I remember you being a fan of rhodiola. Are you still a fan? Many thanks,
Mogger
Posted by bleauberry on July 28, 2018, at 9:32:14
In reply to Re: D (not L) Phenylalanine to augment ADs? » bleauberry, posted by mogger on July 26, 2018, at 15:14:40
I'm a fan of the supplements that cover a wide range of mechanisms, symptoms, syndromes, diseases, whatever. I think the shotgun approach works better than the precision approach simply because our wisdom and science on everything is so much in its infancy we just don't have the precise knowledge we need to be able to do that. Shotgun covers everything we don't know, everything we can't explain.
For example the adaptogens. The top ones would be Eleuthero, Ashwaganda, Rhodiola, Cordyceps. There are maybe a dozen or so good ones. It's just a matter of experimentation individually at first, and then combinations after getting familiar with how they feel. My regimen includes daily rhodiola, cordyceps, and ashwaganda. Eleuthero has always rubbed me the wrong way - and that's what I mean about experimentation. Books will tell you how great Eleuthero is. And it is. But for whatever reason my body disagrees.
The others took a while to get on. They tend to shake things up at first and I was sensitive. So I started at tiny doses with no time frame in mind and gently worked up as each new dose became invisible.
I also like the antimicrobials and the anti-inflammatories which are often the same herbs.
Antii-toxicity supplements are good because I think most peoples' symptoms come from the toxicity of their disease, not from the disease itself. For example in Lyme you've got spiral shaped bacteria drilling holes in tissue. While that sounds nasty, I think the symptoms primarily come from the toxins of that destruction, the stray protein fragments and the immune reaction to them, not from the actual holes.
To help with toxicity I take N-Acetyl-Cystein. I should also be on Alpha Lipoic Acid but I'm not. Liposomal glutathione is great but very expensive. NAC helps the body make more glutathione, which cleans out toxins.
I think gluten free, non-genetically-modified, and full spectrum digestive enzymes are worthy of 2 week trials - separately - to see if they impact symptoms at all. They probably do, more than suspected, with most people, I think.
And of course the basics such as a professional multi vitamin that has the good cofactors in it - such as the methyls and picolinates and p5ps and such. I'm a fan of Vitamin D for a lot of diseases and symptoms regardless of sunshine. I'm a fan of medium to high dose vitamin C.
I also like targeted herbs for specific reasons. For example I take Hawthorn and Co-Q10 for heart support. Milk thistle for liver support. Vinpocetine for memory and brain fog. Arginine and pine bark extract for sex. Fish oil for general purpose.
And I'm always trying something new or dropping something that has served a purpose but seems done. For example I am weaning off the particular lyme protocol of herbs I've been on for a long time and weaning on to a whole new protocol of herbs.
Most of the herbs and supplements I've mentioned have multiple mechanisms and purpose. Many of them cross-over into being anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial, pro-immune, and anti-toxicity, all in one.
Currently adding Walmart Spring Valley brand of St Johns Wort. It has 2% hypforin, better than most generic brands. Been on 150mg for 2 weeks, increased to 300mg a couple days ago, goal is eventually 900mg in a few months. No hurry. I'm taking it mainly because it is one of those herbs that covers very wide spectrum - anti fungal, antiviral, antibiotic, anti-inflammation, anti-pain, anti-anxiety, anti-depression, anti-anhedonia, anti-ADHD, anti-cancer, and scientific studies are showing it to be helpful in preventing or improving symptoms of dementia and Alzheimers. All of these things are wonderful for lymies like me. I'm sensitive though so it takes a while.
I think overall the main thing I would say is that the orchestra approach works way better than the solo approach. If I need help with sleep or anxiety, just one example, lemon balm helps with that, Passion flower helps, American skullcap helps, valerian helps, but any combination of 2 or 3 of them works way better than any of them on their own.
> Thank you everyone for your thoughts. I am worried it will cause anxiety as dopamine and norepinephrine dont do well with my ocd. I liked the endorphin attribute that the D-Phenylalanine seems to have. Bleauberry what supplements if any do you think go well with pharmaceuticals? I remember you being a fan of rhodiola. Are you still a fan? Many thanks,
>
> Mogger
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