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Posted by Phillipa on July 6, 2016, at 17:44:48
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by jonhed on July 6, 2016, at 17:12:02
Posted by Tabitha on July 7, 2016, at 13:59:24
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by jonhed on July 6, 2016, at 17:12:02
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> This is just to give you calmness to don't worry about socialism in america, you're far away from it.
>I agree with you. I think in America people have the idea that rewards always follow proportionately from hard work, so the idea that people deserve any benefits of society just by virtue of being members of society is disgusting to them. It's amazing how much people here will cling to the idea that wealth is entirely deserved, and lack of wealth is proof someone isn't working hard enough. Or in some circles, lack of wealth is proof that person isn't believing in themselves hard enough.
I find it kind of gross, the way people make "hard work" into the highest moral good. Obviously a certain amount of work is necessary for life, buy why has it become a value in itself?
Posted by linkadge on July 7, 2016, at 20:48:21
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on July 7, 2016, at 13:59:24
Even I was blocked at one point!
I think there is a threshold, beyond which, if you go, you never get blocked.
Linkadge
Posted by jonhed on July 8, 2016, at 13:08:37
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on July 7, 2016, at 13:59:24
I agree, but i just wanted to calm her that it wont happen :-)
How are you doing?
Posted by jonhed on July 8, 2016, at 13:09:24
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by linkadge on July 7, 2016, at 20:48:21
Is it just bob that can block?*
(honest question)
Posted by Tabitha on July 8, 2016, at 14:47:29
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by jonhed on July 8, 2016, at 13:08:37
> I agree, but i just wanted to calm her that it wont happen :-)
>Right, I was just having fun trying to put an idea into words
> How are you doing?
Good thanks. Coming off my SNRI, first few days were rough, but it's getting better. Now I'm down to only 3 psych meds! I'm practically neurotypical :-)
How are you?
Posted by baseball55 on July 8, 2016, at 18:38:40
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on July 7, 2016, at 13:59:24
I have no problem being paid more for harder work (within reason and assuming people can find work). But the average CEO in the Fortune 500 earns 400 times as much as their average production workers. It is not possible to work 400 times harder than someone else.
> I find it kind of gross, the way people make "hard work" into the highest moral good. Obviously a certain amount of work is necessary for life, buy why has it become a value in itself?
Posted by jonhed on July 9, 2016, at 2:18:32
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on July 8, 2016, at 14:47:29
;-), it was fun!
Nice to hear, i'm on three meds to, what are yours?
Mine are: Methadone 10mg, clonazepam 2mg, memantine 10mg.
I'm fine, it was a long time ago i could say that..
Very happy.But i try to not make it overwhelm me, but i should be allowed to feel good once in a while.
Now it's off to work.
What snri where you on?
Posted by SLS on July 9, 2016, at 14:03:32
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by jonhed on July 9, 2016, at 2:18:32
> Mine are: Methadone 10mg, clonazepam 2mg, memantine 10mg.
>
> I'm fine,
> Very happy.I am very happy for you. You have certainly worked hard enough for it!
Woohoo!
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on July 10, 2016, at 12:47:37
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by jonhed on July 9, 2016, at 2:18:32
> Mine are: Methadone 10mg, clonazepam 2mg, memantine 10mg.
>
> I'm fine, it was a long time ago i could say that..
> Very happy.
>
> But i try to not make it overwhelm me, but i should be allowed to feel good once in a while.So good to hear! I'm glad your combo is working for you.
>
> What snri where you on?I was on fetzima, which is a newer med. Prior to that I tried cymbalta and effexor. Now I'm taking lithium & lamictal for mood and triazolam for sleep.
Posted by jonhed on July 10, 2016, at 14:14:45
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on July 10, 2016, at 12:47:37
I was doing so good on lamictal when i ate it in 2010, but i couldn't continue cause i was abuseing drugs at that time and as you know that can be a very dangerous mix.
I'm scared of lamictal but i don't know why.
Maybe it was because of the interactions it had with my drugs of choice when i was an addict.
They where terrible.But i wanted to try it ever since i got clean again.
How are you doing on it?
I was on 200mg, working up to 300 but that never happened.
If this regimen poops out, i'm gonna go back on lamictal for sure.
I really liked it.
Posted by jonhed on July 10, 2016, at 14:17:28
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by jonhed on July 10, 2016, at 14:14:45
Maybe i will add valproate if this poops out, as a first test but then lamictal will be my one and only offer to the psychiatric ward.
Posted by Christ_empowered on July 10, 2016, at 17:29:30
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by jonhed on July 10, 2016, at 14:17:28
does the triazolam help a lot? I didn't know people were still taking it.
Posted by Tabitha on July 10, 2016, at 18:44:13
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by Christ_empowered on July 10, 2016, at 17:29:30
> does the triazolam help a lot? I didn't know people were still taking it.
Yes, I sleep really well with it, for about three years. I'm surprised it hasn't lost its effectiveness.
Posted by Christ_empowered on July 10, 2016, at 21:40:17
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » Christ_empowered, posted by Tabitha on July 10, 2016, at 18:44:13
I'm glad its been working so well for you for a relatively long period of time. I don't know much about it, except the anti-psychiatry scare stuff from back in the day (Halcion makes you psychotic, etc.).
Again, glad it works for you.
Posted by SLS on July 11, 2016, at 7:42:21
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by Christ_empowered on July 10, 2016, at 21:40:17
> I'm glad its been working so well for you for a relatively long period of time. I don't know much about it, except the anti-psychiatry scare stuff from back in the day (Halcion makes you psychotic, etc.).
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> Again, glad it works for you.I don't think Hacion (triazolam) makes one. It is more likely that it produce acute disinhibition, probably worse than alcohol in vulnerable individuals. It also produces anterograde amnesia, which dentists like to take advantage of so that their patients don't remember the procedure. The drug is dosed so that it produces sedation and reduces anxiety. Halcion has also been used to prevent or minimize jet lag.
Halcion is perhaps the most potent benzodiazepine. I found it to be the most effective sleep initiator. However, because of its short half-life there are sometimes rebound awakenings. Sometimes there is a need to take a second longer-acting hypnotic agent with it. For total insomnia, I used a combination of Halcion and Ativan (lorazepam). I experience little or no hangover the next morning. Personally, I hope Halcion remains available.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on July 11, 2016, at 8:30:01
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by SLS on July 11, 2016, at 7:42:21
hi. I didn't mean to sound critical or whatever...I just had no idea Halcion was still available. The 2 BZD combo sounds like a good idea, sort of like a cleaned up, safe version of Tuinal.
Posted by SLS on July 11, 2016, at 8:47:52
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by Christ_empowered on July 11, 2016, at 8:30:01
> hi. I didn't mean to sound critical or whatever...I just had no idea Halcion was still available. The 2 BZD combo sounds like a good idea, sort of like a cleaned up, safe version of Tuinal.
The thought never occurred to me that you were being critical of me!
:-)
I just wanted to give some idea as to the characteristics of Halcion and the historical context within which it has been used.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on July 11, 2016, at 11:54:49
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by Christ_empowered on July 10, 2016, at 21:40:17
> I'm glad its been working so well for you for a relatively long period of time. I don't know much about it, except the anti-psychiatry scare stuff from back in the day (Halcion makes you psychotic, etc.).
Is it possible you're thinking of Haldol?
Posted by Tabitha on July 11, 2016, at 12:01:31
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS, posted by SLS on July 11, 2016, at 7:42:21
> I don't think Hacion (triazolam) makes one. It is more likely that it produce acute disinhibition, probably worse than alcohol in vulnerable individuals. It also produces anterograde amnesia, which dentists like to take advantage of so that their patients don't remember the procedure. The drug is dosed so that it produces sedation and reduces anxiety. Halcion has also been used to prevent or minimize jet lag.
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> Halcion is perhaps the most potent benzodiazepine. I found it to be the most effective sleep initiator. However, because of its short half-life there are sometimes rebound awakenings. Sometimes there is a need to take a second longer-acting hypnotic agent with it. For total insomnia, I used a combination of Halcion and Ativan (lorazepam). I experience little or no hangover the next morning. Personally, I hope Halcion remains available.
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>I though ambien was more notorious for causing some people to do un-characteristic things and totally forget them. There's a funny (sort of) site where people post stuff they've done while on ambien (like going outside, driving someplace, cooking odd meals, etc)
I do feel a little loopy and sometimes have some un-planned snacks, but it's a very brief period between taking it and falling asleep. I manage to stay asleep all night on it, fortunately. Ativan worked really well for me, too, but it was harder to wake up in the morning with it.
Posted by SLS on July 11, 2016, at 15:00:10
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » SLS, posted by Tabitha on July 11, 2016, at 12:01:31
> I do feel a little loopy and sometimes have some un-planned snacks, but it's a very brief period between taking it and falling asleep. I manage to stay asleep all night on it, fortunately. Ativan worked really well for me, too, but it was harder to wake up in the morning with it.
For some odd reason, Ambien didn't work for me at all. I wish it did. It's an effective drug with a short half-life.
- Scott
Posted by jonhed on July 12, 2016, at 3:44:46
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » SLS, posted by Tabitha on July 11, 2016, at 12:01:31
I think that the best way to take a long acting benzo to sleep is to take it like 4 hours before bedtime, and then maybe a short acting just before you close you're eyes.
That for me makes it not that difficult to wake up in the morning, cause the acute effects of the long acting benzo is gone by that time you have to go up.
Posted by Horse on July 17, 2016, at 17:28:51
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » SLS, posted by Tabitha on July 11, 2016, at 12:01:31
I needed to avoid the entire z category becauseonce I began to have sleep activities, any hypnotic produced them. I'm not sure how I turned that corner because I had taken z drugs for a number of years without incident. When my husband found me drinking beer at 6 am I knew it was time to stop. I don't even drink!
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> > I don't think Hacion (triazolam) makes one. It is more likely that it produce acute disinhibition, probably worse than alcohol in vulnerable individuals. It also produces anterograde amnesia, which dentists like to take advantage of so that their patients don't remember the procedure. The drug is dosed so that it produces sedation and reduces anxiety. Halcion has also been used to prevent or minimize jet lag.
> >
> > Halcion is perhaps the most potent benzodiazepine. I found it to be the most effective sleep initiator. However, because of its short half-life there are sometimes rebound awakenings. Sometimes there is a need to take a second longer-acting hypnotic agent with it. For total insomnia, I used a combination of Halcion and Ativan (lorazepam). I experience little or no hangover the next morning. Personally, I hope Halcion remains available.
> >
> >
>
> I though ambien was more notorious for causing some people to do un-characteristic things and totally forget them. There's a funny (sort of) site where people post stuff they've done while on ambien (like going outside, driving someplace, cooking odd meals, etc)
>
> I do feel a little loopy and sometimes have some un-planned snacks, but it's a very brief period between taking it and falling asleep. I manage to stay asleep all night on it, fortunately. Ativan worked really well for me, too, but it was harder to wake up in the morning with it.
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Posted by Horse on July 17, 2016, at 17:35:56
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » jonhed, posted by Tabitha on July 7, 2016, at 13:59:24
Thank you thank you thank you for articulating this! I've thought this for years, and I feel sad/angry because of the harm this mindset causes. For one, it contributes to the stigma surrounding mental illness as some moral or personality defect.
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> > This is just to give you calmness to don't worry about socialism in america, you're far away from it.
> >
>
> I agree with you. I think in America people have the idea that rewards always follow proportionately from hard work, so the idea that people deserve any benefits of society just by virtue of being members of society is disgusting to them. It's amazing how much people here will cling to the idea that wealth is entirely deserved, and lack of wealth is proof someone isn't working hard enough. Or in some circles, lack of wealth is proof that person isn't believing in themselves hard enough.
>
> I find it kind of gross, the way people make "hard work" into the highest moral good. Obviously a certain amount of work is necessary for life, buy why has it become a value in itself?
Posted by Tabitha on July 18, 2016, at 13:07:31
In reply to Re: I agree with SLS » Tabitha, posted by Horse on July 17, 2016, at 17:28:51
> I needed to avoid the entire z category becauseonce I began to have sleep activities, any hypnotic produced them. I'm not sure how I turned that corner because I had taken z drugs for a number of years without incident. When my husband found me drinking beer at 6 am I knew it was time to stop. I don't even drink!
>Yikes, that's really scary. Both the sleep-walking and the fact that you got permanently sensitized to hypnotics :-(
>> I find it kind of gross, the way people make "hard work" into the highest moral good. Obviously a certain amount of work is necessary for life, buy why has it become a value in itself?
> Thank you thank you thank you for articulating this! I've thought this for years, and I feel sad/angry because of the harm this mindset causes. For one, it contributes to the stigma surrounding mental illness as some moral or personality defect.
You're welcome. It's something that's been on my mind as I've become more un-fit for work.
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