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Posted by Phillipa on May 10, 2016, at 18:01:20
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20160509/anticholinergic-drugs-dementia-link
Posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 9:32:53
In reply to Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe, posted by Phillipa on May 10, 2016, at 18:01:20
> http://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20160509/anticholinergic-drugs-dementia-link
"The drugs involved in the study are known as anticholinergics"
Is Zyprexa and/or Klonopin an anticholinergic? My memory is absolute crap :(
Jade
Posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 9:45:49
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe, posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 9:32:53
There is a list in the article. Mentioned drugs had no idea were. I will read it again. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 9:49:31
In reply to Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe, posted by Phillipa on May 10, 2016, at 18:01:20
Mentions anti anxiety meds, valium & xanax are mentioned but isn't klonopin on also or is it an anti seizure med found to have calming properties. I would say a google search is in order. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 9:52:16
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe, posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 9:49:31
Google them seems like antipsychotics also in list which is huge!! Phillipa
Posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 10:56:22
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe, posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 9:32:53
I found this:
http://memory.ucsf.edu/ftd/medical/treatment/avoid/single
It says Klonopin exhibits anticholinergic like properties.
Posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 11:01:12
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe, posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 9:52:16
> Google them seems like antipsychotics also in list which is huge!! Phillipa
As for Zyprexa:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC487008/
Looks like I better start on Namenda now :(
Posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 17:34:35
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe » Phillipa, posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 11:01:12
Article you posted is from 2002 and seems to effect the elderly in nursing homes. Schizophenia seemed to the diagnosis also. And Clozapine is one that can have serious white blood cell count problems so one must discontinue the med. I didn't see Zyprexa mentioned? Why is namenda better? Phillipa
Posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 18:15:37
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe » J Kelly, posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 17:34:35
> Article you posted is from 2002 and seems to effect the elderly in nursing homes. Schizophenia seemed to the diagnosis also. And Clozapine is one that can have serious white blood cell count problems so one must discontinue the med. I didn't see Zyprexa mentioned? Why is namenda better? Phillipa
The article was written in 2004.
"after the pooling of peripheral anticholinergic items, a significant difference in anticholinergic effects was found between 15 mg/day of olanzapine and placebo (26% and 6.4%, respectively, p = .008)"
The Namenda works on memory.
Jade
Posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2016, at 20:02:48
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe » Phillipa, posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 18:15:37
I though Namenda worked on memory. Sorry 2004 misspell. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on May 29, 2016, at 13:42:55
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe, posted by J Kelly on May 12, 2016, at 9:32:53
>Is Zyprexa and/or Klonopin an anticholinergic? My memory is absolute crap :(
Zyprexa is moderately anticholinergic. Klonopin is not anticholinergic as such but produces a substantial decrease in the ability to form new memories. All benzodiazepine anxiolytics and sedatives impair memory, and people often forget what has happened after they've taken them. Benzos are certainly NOT good for cognition! It's really a balancing act between symptom relief and side effects.
Posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2016, at 18:11:05
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe » J Kelly, posted by ed_uk2010 on May 29, 2016, at 13:42:55
Ed after over 40 years on benzos don't have this problem thankfully. Phillipa
Posted by J Kelly on June 2, 2016, at 6:41:21
In reply to Re: Anticholenergic meds May Increase Dementia + Alzhe » J Kelly, posted by ed_uk2010 on May 29, 2016, at 13:42:55
> >Is Zyprexa and/or Klonopin an anticholinergic? My memory is absolute crap :(
>
> Zyprexa is moderately anticholinergic. Klonopin is not anticholinergic as such but produces a substantial decrease in the ability to form new memories. All benzodiazepine anxiolytics and sedatives impair memory, and people often forget what has happened after they've taken them. Benzos are certainly NOT good for cognition! It's really a balancing act between symptom relief and side effects.I'm the poster child :(
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