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Posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 0:27:52
Backstory on me. I am 19 years old. I was a very happy child, but when I hit puberty in the summer going into 8th grade, mental illness hit like a brick wall. During 8th grade, I was plagued by general anxiety, social anxiety, OCD (the most ridiculous, nasty case of obsessive thoughts that I could have ever thought possible), perfectionism (kind of a subset of my OCD, but I'll include it anyways), and severe depression. I remember having to remind myself that I was the same person as the year before.
My symptoms had gotten a lot better by 9th grade, but as the stresses of high school built up, my symptoms came back and got worse and worse. By junior year I was depressed again and can say that the depression has gotten worse and worse up to this point. By far the worst of it is how detached I am from friends and family. It might help to note that my mother has perfectionistic qualities and my dad has anxiety issues.
So anyways, I have this plan set out that I will go on a month long hiking trip with a group next month (neurogenesis, also could be extremely helpful with social anxiety). Then I'll do a CBT course for social anxiety. Then I'll go on another month long hiking trip. And if I'm still suffering at that point, THEN i'll know it's time to get on medication. I know it's my choice to make, but do any of you hold the opinion that I should get on medication sooner? I can say that taking fish oil, b complex, niacin, vitamin D, and acetyl l-carnitine has improved my outlook somewhat; I no longer have suicidal thoughts and no longer go into the darkest place imaginable like I was a month or so ago.
Any sort of input would be much appreciated, whether about medication or anything else. God bless you all.
John
Posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 4:08:53
In reply to Should I start medication?, posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 0:27:52
maybe you need temporary treatment with a medication at a low dose
do you have any hallucination (positive symptoms) or more the negatives i hear like depression?
if so, consider waiting for cariprazine, a new class abilify that treats negative symptoms. or low dose seroquel like 100 mg but slowly build it up) or other meds you need to discuss with your psychiatrist.
Posted by Hugh on January 23, 2016, at 11:31:17
In reply to Should I start medication?, posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 0:27:52
Since you have two month-long hiking trips coming up, this might not be the best time to start a new medication. I've tried lots of antidepressants. Some caused fatigue. Some made my heart race. Some made it difficult to sleep. You may find a drug that works for you, but you may have to go through several drugs before you find the right one, or the right combination of drugs. So it would be best if you could be in regular contact with your doctor during this process.
You may want to consider trying this test:
Posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 11:51:18
In reply to Re: Should I start medication?, posted by Hugh on January 23, 2016, at 11:31:17
yep
Posted by SLS on January 23, 2016, at 12:25:53
In reply to Should I start medication?, posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 0:27:52
I agree with Hugh for the most part. However, I would add that were you not to try the hiking first and went directly to medical treatment, you might obsess forever about not having given hiking chance.
I don't understand the motivation for going on a second hiking trip. Perhaps you can explain your rationale for this? I would think that one course of hiking and one course of CBT would be enough to determine your resilience without drug treatment. I guess one could argue that the second trip would help in some way to build upon the CBT, both biologically and psychologically - a gestault of sorts. You might save a month by doing the CBT first, and then go hiking. You might find that the hiking, although it might be a very positive experience, is not necessary. CBT might be sufficient.
- Scott
Posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 14:33:16
In reply to maybe read please, posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 4:08:53
> maybe you need temporary treatment with a medication at a low dose
>
> do you have any hallucination (positive symptoms) or more the negatives i hear like depression?
>
> if so, consider waiting for cariprazine, a new class abilify that treats negative symptoms. or low dose seroquel like 100 mg but slowly build it up) or other meds you need to discuss with your psychiatrist.No I do not have hallucinations.
John
Posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 14:35:34
In reply to Re: Should I start medication? » john locke, posted by SLS on January 23, 2016, at 12:25:53
> I agree with Hugh for the most part. However, I would add that were you not to try the hiking first and went directly to medical treatment, you might obsess forever about not having given hiking chance.
>
> I don't understand the motivation for going on a second hiking trip. Perhaps you can explain your rationale for this? I would think that one course of hiking and one course of CBT would be enough to determine your resilience without drug treatment. I guess one could argue that the second trip would help in some way to build upon the CBT, both biologically and psychologically - a gestault of sorts. You might save a month by doing the CBT first, and then go hiking. You might find that the hiking, although it might be a very positive experience, is not necessary. CBT might be sufficient.
>
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
>Thanks. I think the second hiking trip would kind of be like the 'end all be all' of behavioral experiments to end the CBT course. The first hiking trip I have already signed up for and it starts in two weeks, so I am definitely going on that one.
john
Posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 14:38:39
In reply to Re: Should I start medication?, posted by Hugh on January 23, 2016, at 11:31:17
> Since you have two month-long hiking trips coming up, this might not be the best time to start a new medication. I've tried lots of antidepressants. Some caused fatigue. Some made my heart race. Some made it difficult to sleep. You may find a drug that works for you, but you may have to go through several drugs before you find the right one, or the right combination of drugs. So it would be best if you could be in regular contact with your doctor during this process.
>
> You may want to consider trying this test:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20150929/msgs/1083623.htmlI think you're right. It would probably be better for me to have all of next school year to work with the psychiatrist to find the right medication if need be.
That test looks very interesting. I wonder where I would go to have it done?
Thanks,
John
Posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 15:02:04
In reply to Re: maybe read please, posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 14:33:16
i can recommend this to you
a pro biotic called nutrimonium, it supposed to have no to little side effects
it gives energy and lifts depression within 24 hours, ask around people will tell i am making sense here
it's witouth prescription also
Posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 15:05:59
In reply to to john, that's good, 'no hallucinations', posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 15:02:04
im taking it myself i started again this morning and i already feel better
Posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 15:14:02
In reply to to john, that's good, 'no hallucinations', posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 15:02:04
> i can recommend this to you
>
> a pro biotic called nutrimonium, it supposed to have no to little side effects
>
> it gives energy and lifts depression within 24 hours, ask around people will tell i am making sense here
>
> it's witouth prescription alsoThanks Jeroen I'll check it out and let you know if it helps.
John
Posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 15:35:06
In reply to Re: to john, that's good, 'no hallucinations', posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 15:14:02
it will trust me, take vanilla flavour like most people do
Posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 15:51:50
In reply to Re: to john, that's good, 'no hallucinations', posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 15:35:06
> it will trust me, take vanilla flavour like most people do
Can you post a link to the brand you use?
John
Posted by Jeroen on January 23, 2016, at 16:25:26
In reply to Re: to john, that's good, 'no hallucinations', posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 15:51:50
https://www.metagenics.eu/en/19/consumer/0/0/modules/products.phtml?id=2043
available at pharmacies, i have schizophrenia for 18 years now, i know what works for depression too.
i'm treatment resistant, please ask your pharmacist about this, i think this will help you, on the site it sais available on any pharmacy.
Precaution
Do not use in the following cases: no known cases
Posted by KathrynLex on January 23, 2016, at 23:19:38
In reply to Should I start medication?, posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 0:27:52
John,
At the end of the day, you probably know what's going to be best for you. So I'll offer my opinion, but please discard any part of it that doesn't resonate with you. Too often people give advice with the best of intentions, and it ends up being more harmful than useful.
My personal gauge of whether or not to take medication is this: are my depression and anxiety having such a negative impact on me that they significantly lower the quality of my life? If the answer is yes, then it feels appropriate for me to take medication.
I'm a huge advocate for taking medication because it's helped me SO much, but I know that everyone has a different path. From your previous posts and this one, it sounds like you would prefer to try other forms of treatment first. And I think there are a lot of benefits to this approach. Besides CBT, there are also natural remedies, yoga, meditation, diet changes etc. that could possibly be very beneficial to you. And all those things are all worth trying because you just never know - a combination of CBT and time in the woods could be exactly what you need, and you might never have to take medication to treat your anxiety, OCD, and depression.
If you do ultimately decide you need medication, just be sure to find a psychiatrist who really gets you. It might take some shopping around, but a good psychiatrist can make all the difference in the world.
I wish you the very best, and happy trails!
Kathryn
Posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 23:28:11
In reply to Re: Should I start medication?, posted by KathrynLex on January 23, 2016, at 23:19:38
> John,
>
> At the end of the day, you probably know what's going to be best for you. So I'll offer my opinion, but please discard any part of it that doesn't resonate with you. Too often people give advice with the best of intentions, and it ends up being more harmful than useful.
>
> My personal gauge of whether or not to take medication is this: are my depression and anxiety having such a negative impact on me that they significantly lower the quality of my life? If the answer is yes, then it feels appropriate for me to take medication.
>
> I'm a huge advocate for taking medication because it's helped me SO much, but I know that everyone has a different path. From your previous posts and this one, it sounds like you would prefer to try other forms of treatment first. And I think there are a lot of benefits to this approach. Besides CBT, there are also natural remedies, yoga, meditation, diet changes etc. that could possibly be very beneficial to you. And all those things are all worth trying because you just never know - a combination of CBT and time in the woods could be exactly what you need, and you might never have to take medication to treat your anxiety, OCD, and depression.
>
> If you do ultimately decide you need medication, just be sure to find a psychiatrist who really gets you. It might take some shopping around, but a good psychiatrist can make all the difference in the world.
>
> I wish you the very best, and happy trails!
>
> KathrynThank you Kathryn. I'm so glad that medication has been helpful for you. In my heart of hearts I know that it is probably best that I try and get through this with quote on quote natural remedies first. It is quite hard, though, to sit here and feel this way when there is a possible solution which is such an easy one.
By the way, might I ask which medications you have tried and how long you have taken them for? I hope I'm not being too forward. I know that everyone is different in regards to psych meds, so I'm really just asking out of curiousity. Which SSRI's helped you with social anxiety, as I remember you saying that they were really nice for you in that regards. Thank you so much for your kind response.
John
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2016, at 16:40:29
In reply to Re: Should I start medication?, posted by john locke on January 23, 2016, at 23:28:11
> > John,
> >
> > At the end of the day, you probably know what's going to be best for you. So I'll offer my opinion, but please discard any part of it that doesn't resonate with you. Too often people give advice with the best of intentions, and it ends up being more harmful than useful.
> >
> > My personal gauge of whether or not to take medication is this: are my depression and anxiety having such a negative impact on me that they significantly lower the quality of my life? If the answer is yes, then it feels appropriate for me to take medication.
> >
> > I'm a huge advocate for taking medication because it's helped me SO much, but I know that everyone has a different path. From your previous posts and this one, it sounds like you would prefer to try other forms of treatment first. And I think there are a lot of benefits to this approach. Besides CBT, there are also natural remedies, yoga, meditation, diet changes etc. that could possibly be very beneficial to you. And all those things are all worth trying because you just never know - a combination of CBT and time in the woods could be exactly what you need, and you might never have to take medication to treat your anxiety, OCD, and depression.
> >
> > If you do ultimately decide you need medication, just be sure to find a psychiatrist who really gets you. It might take some shopping around, but a good psychiatrist can make all the difference in the world.
> >
> > I wish you the very best, and happy trails!
> >
> > Kathryn
>
> Thank you Kathryn. I'm so glad that medication has been helpful for you. In my heart of hearts I know that it is probably best that I try and get through this with quote on quote natural remedies first. It is quite hard, though, to sit here and feel this way when there is a possible solution which is such an easy one.
>
> By the way, might I ask which medications you have tried and how long you have taken them for? I hope I'm not being too forward. I know that everyone is different in regards to psych meds, so I'm really just asking out of curiousity. Which SSRI's helped you with social anxiety, as I remember you saying that they were really nice for you in that regards. Thank you so much for your kind response.
>
> JohnJohn,
Many will come here and say that I am the cause of their real or imagined ills. And you may even be swayed by those using fallacious arguments that fall apart when intelligent readers are given by me what could expose the hate. You see, one of the most horrible yet effective tactics used by Jew-haters is the fallacy of scapegoating. Ignorant people are easily swayed to hate the targeted person by another using scapegoating. And tragically, this site allows scapegoating of me to be seen as being supportive along with the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda. That could easily persuade you to discard what I am going to tell you in my next post. And those posters here that use that tactic to defame me here, could have the deaths of those that are killed by the drugs from reading here and rejecting my warnings, could have their blood upon them as leading them to their deaths and/or life-ruining conditions or addictions from the drugs that they advocate here and readers suffer a horrible death by them....more
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2016, at 17:10:45
In reply to Lou's response- a horrible death by them » john locke, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2016, at 16:40:29
> > > John,
> > >
> > > At the end of the day, you probably know what's going to be best for you. So I'll offer my opinion, but please discard any part of it that doesn't resonate with you. Too often people give advice with the best of intentions, and it ends up being more harmful than useful.
> > >
> > > My personal gauge of whether or not to take medication is this: are my depression and anxiety having such a negative impact on me that they significantly lower the quality of my life? If the answer is yes, then it feels appropriate for me to take medication.
> > >
> > > I'm a huge advocate for taking medication because it's helped me SO much, but I know that everyone has a different path. From your previous posts and this one, it sounds like you would prefer to try other forms of treatment first. And I think there are a lot of benefits to this approach. Besides CBT, there are also natural remedies, yoga, meditation, diet changes etc. that could possibly be very beneficial to you. And all those things are all worth trying because you just never know - a combination of CBT and time in the woods could be exactly what you need, and you might never have to take medication to treat your anxiety, OCD, and depression.
> > >
> > > If you do ultimately decide you need medication, just be sure to find a psychiatrist who really gets you. It might take some shopping around, but a good psychiatrist can make all the difference in the world.
> > >
> > > I wish you the very best, and happy trails!
> > >
> > > Kathryn
> >
> > Thank you Kathryn. I'm so glad that medication has been helpful for you. In my heart of hearts I know that it is probably best that I try and get through this with quote on quote natural remedies first. It is quite hard, though, to sit here and feel this way when there is a possible solution which is such an easy one.
> >
> > By the way, might I ask which medications you have tried and how long you have taken them for? I hope I'm not being too forward. I know that everyone is different in regards to psych meds, so I'm really just asking out of curiousity. Which SSRI's helped you with social anxiety, as I remember you saying that they were really nice for you in that regards. Thank you so much for your kind response.
> >
> > John
>
> John,
> Many will come here and say that I am the cause of their real or imagined ills. And you may even be swayed by those using fallacious arguments that fall apart when intelligent readers are given by me what could expose the hate. You see, one of the most horrible yet effective tactics used by Jew-haters is the fallacy of scapegoating. Ignorant people are easily swayed to hate the targeted person by another using scapegoating. And tragically, this site allows scapegoating of me to be seen as being supportive along with the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda. That could easily persuade you to discard what I am going to tell you in my next post. And those posters here that use that tactic to defame me here, could have the deaths of those that are killed by the drugs from reading here and rejecting my warnings, could have their blood upon them as leading them to their deaths and/or life-ruining conditions or addictions from the drugs that they advocate here and readers suffer a horrible death by them....more
> LouJohn,
Another fallacy allowed to be used here is the fallacy of stigma. Mr. Hsiung himself even uses this fallacy against me here and leads others to think that it will be good for his community as a whole for him to do it so he thinks. Stigmatization is a cruel tactic but worse it could lead readers here to their deaths by them ignoring what I post here en banc as Mr. Hsiung himself advocates that readers ignore me as he himself ignores me to be an example for others to ignore me. This cruel tactic could result in the deaths of readers that are influenced to ignore me by Mr. Hsiung, so that others mimic his example. His example is deplorable in a mental-health community and can create and develop anti-Semitic hate which readers could think is being supportive by Mr. Hsiung for he states that support takes precedence. And when you see hate condoned by a psychiatrist, know that the fruits of hate are being created and developed. This could induce a mindset to kill others and also for those with homicidal thinking, suicidal thinking can emerge before that.
And now you stand by the edge where your next step could be death. And if you turn around now, that next step could lead you to life, and life more abundantly...more
Lou
Posted by john locke on January 24, 2016, at 22:45:50
In reply to Lou's response- the wages of psychiatric drugs, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2016, at 17:10:45
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > At the end of the day, you probably know what's going to be best for you. So I'll offer my opinion, but please discard any part of it that doesn't resonate with you. Too often people give advice with the best of intentions, and it ends up being more harmful than useful.
> > > >
> > > > My personal gauge of whether or not to take medication is this: are my depression and anxiety having such a negative impact on me that they significantly lower the quality of my life? If the answer is yes, then it feels appropriate for me to take medication.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a huge advocate for taking medication because it's helped me SO much, but I know that everyone has a different path. From your previous posts and this one, it sounds like you would prefer to try other forms of treatment first. And I think there are a lot of benefits to this approach. Besides CBT, there are also natural remedies, yoga, meditation, diet changes etc. that could possibly be very beneficial to you. And all those things are all worth trying because you just never know - a combination of CBT and time in the woods could be exactly what you need, and you might never have to take medication to treat your anxiety, OCD, and depression.
> > > >
> > > > If you do ultimately decide you need medication, just be sure to find a psychiatrist who really gets you. It might take some shopping around, but a good psychiatrist can make all the difference in the world.
> > > >
> > > > I wish you the very best, and happy trails!
> > > >
> > > > Kathryn
> > >
> > > Thank you Kathryn. I'm so glad that medication has been helpful for you. In my heart of hearts I know that it is probably best that I try and get through this with quote on quote natural remedies first. It is quite hard, though, to sit here and feel this way when there is a possible solution which is such an easy one.
> > >
> > > By the way, might I ask which medications you have tried and how long you have taken them for? I hope I'm not being too forward. I know that everyone is different in regards to psych meds, so I'm really just asking out of curiousity. Which SSRI's helped you with social anxiety, as I remember you saying that they were really nice for you in that regards. Thank you so much for your kind response.
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > John,
> > Many will come here and say that I am the cause of their real or imagined ills. And you may even be swayed by those using fallacious arguments that fall apart when intelligent readers are given by me what could expose the hate. You see, one of the most horrible yet effective tactics used by Jew-haters is the fallacy of scapegoating. Ignorant people are easily swayed to hate the targeted person by another using scapegoating. And tragically, this site allows scapegoating of me to be seen as being supportive along with the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda. That could easily persuade you to discard what I am going to tell you in my next post. And those posters here that use that tactic to defame me here, could have the deaths of those that are killed by the drugs from reading here and rejecting my warnings, could have their blood upon them as leading them to their deaths and/or life-ruining conditions or addictions from the drugs that they advocate here and readers suffer a horrible death by them....more
> > Lou
>
> John,
> Another fallacy allowed to be used here is the fallacy of stigma. Mr. Hsiung himself even uses this fallacy against me here and leads others to think that it will be good for his community as a whole for him to do it so he thinks. Stigmatization is a cruel tactic but worse it could lead readers here to their deaths by them ignoring what I post here en banc as Mr. Hsiung himself advocates that readers ignore me as he himself ignores me to be an example for others to ignore me. This cruel tactic could result in the deaths of readers that are influenced to ignore me by Mr. Hsiung, so that others mimic his example. His example is deplorable in a mental-health community and can create and develop anti-Semitic hate which readers could think is being supportive by Mr. Hsiung for he states that support takes precedence. And when you see hate condoned by a psychiatrist, know that the fruits of hate are being created and developed. This could induce a mindset to kill others and also for those with homicidal thinking, suicidal thinking can emerge before that.
> And now you stand by the edge where your next step could be death. And if you turn around now, that next step could lead you to life, and life more abundantly...more
> LouLou,
What are the grounds for your argument? Have you personally had bad experiences with medications or been close to someone who has? Or are you speaking from a moral point of view, that one must find true happiness through themselves and others, not through chemicals?
John
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2016, at 9:03:07
In reply to Re: Lou's response- the wages of psychiatric drugs, posted by john locke on January 24, 2016, at 22:45:50
> > > > > John,
> > > > >
> > > > > At the end of the day, you probably know what's going to be best for you. So I'll offer my opinion, but please discard any part of it that doesn't resonate with you. Too often people give advice with the best of intentions, and it ends up being more harmful than useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > My personal gauge of whether or not to take medication is this: are my depression and anxiety having such a negative impact on me that they significantly lower the quality of my life? If the answer is yes, then it feels appropriate for me to take medication.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a huge advocate for taking medication because it's helped me SO much, but I know that everyone has a different path. From your previous posts and this one, it sounds like you would prefer to try other forms of treatment first. And I think there are a lot of benefits to this approach. Besides CBT, there are also natural remedies, yoga, meditation, diet changes etc. that could possibly be very beneficial to you. And all those things are all worth trying because you just never know - a combination of CBT and time in the woods could be exactly what you need, and you might never have to take medication to treat your anxiety, OCD, and depression.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you do ultimately decide you need medication, just be sure to find a psychiatrist who really gets you. It might take some shopping around, but a good psychiatrist can make all the difference in the world.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish you the very best, and happy trails!
> > > > >
> > > > > Kathryn
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Kathryn. I'm so glad that medication has been helpful for you. In my heart of hearts I know that it is probably best that I try and get through this with quote on quote natural remedies first. It is quite hard, though, to sit here and feel this way when there is a possible solution which is such an easy one.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, might I ask which medications you have tried and how long you have taken them for? I hope I'm not being too forward. I know that everyone is different in regards to psych meds, so I'm really just asking out of curiousity. Which SSRI's helped you with social anxiety, as I remember you saying that they were really nice for you in that regards. Thank you so much for your kind response.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > >
> > > John,
> > > Many will come here and say that I am the cause of their real or imagined ills. And you may even be swayed by those using fallacious arguments that fall apart when intelligent readers are given by me what could expose the hate. You see, one of the most horrible yet effective tactics used by Jew-haters is the fallacy of scapegoating. Ignorant people are easily swayed to hate the targeted person by another using scapegoating. And tragically, this site allows scapegoating of me to be seen as being supportive along with the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda. That could easily persuade you to discard what I am going to tell you in my next post. And those posters here that use that tactic to defame me here, could have the deaths of those that are killed by the drugs from reading here and rejecting my warnings, could have their blood upon them as leading them to their deaths and/or life-ruining conditions or addictions from the drugs that they advocate here and readers suffer a horrible death by them....more
> > > Lou
> >
> > John,
> > Another fallacy allowed to be used here is the fallacy of stigma. Mr. Hsiung himself even uses this fallacy against me here and leads others to think that it will be good for his community as a whole for him to do it so he thinks. Stigmatization is a cruel tactic but worse it could lead readers here to their deaths by them ignoring what I post here en banc as Mr. Hsiung himself advocates that readers ignore me as he himself ignores me to be an example for others to ignore me. This cruel tactic could result in the deaths of readers that are influenced to ignore me by Mr. Hsiung, so that others mimic his example. His example is deplorable in a mental-health community and can create and develop anti-Semitic hate which readers could think is being supportive by Mr. Hsiung for he states that support takes precedence. And when you see hate condoned by a psychiatrist, know that the fruits of hate are being created and developed. This could induce a mindset to kill others and also for those with homicidal thinking, suicidal thinking can emerge before that.
> > And now you stand by the edge where your next step could be death. And if you turn around now, that next step could lead you to life, and life more abundantly...more
> > Lou
>
> Lou,
> What are the grounds for your argument? Have you personally had bad experiences with medications or been close to someone who has? Or are you speaking from a moral point of view, that one must find true happiness through themselves and others, not through chemicals?
> JohnJohn,
You wrote,[...the grounds...not through chemicals...].
You stand today at the door that could lead to life or death. And your choice could be influenced here by a psychiatrist that chairs this site and his members in concert with him that play the same song of hate. And at the same time I say with shame that Mr. Hsiung is a teacher as I am that is allowing anti-Semitic hate and defamation and fallacious arguments that could lead readers to their deaths or get a life-ruining condition or addiction to be seen as being supportive here which could mislead you to your death.
I have come here to free the captives from entertaining the deadly music being played here so that they could sing a new song that could lead to life and peace. This song is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung for me to lead readers to as it comes from a Jewish perspective that I am prevented by him from posting here. This is nothing new, but an ancient hatred that was furthered by European Fascism that was put to death decades ago that is being resurrected here on the banner of that it will be good for Mr. Hsiung's community as a whole for him to allow it to be promulgated here so he thinks. This is the same argument to justify slavery and infanticide and segregation and racism and genocide. It turns my stomach.
Here is a post that I am prohibited to post but Mr. Hsiung allows his former deputy to be immune from his enforcement policy in his TOS so she can post it. The post has a link in it that is what I want you to examine. Look at what it says. It says that the foundation of Judaism is not going to be allowed by him. That is against the Jew which is the basis of anti-Semitism. That makes his policy an anti-Semitic policy because he allows that foundation of hatred toward the Jews to be posted with impunity which shows discrimination against Judaism itself which makes this an anti-Semitic site according to the definition of anti-Semitism that incorporates that being against Judaism while allowing the foundation of hatred toward the Jews, is anti-Semitic on its face.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1076922.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2016, at 13:28:35
In reply to Lou's reply-anti-Judaism » john locke, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2016, at 9:03:07
> > > > > > John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the end of the day, you probably know what's going to be best for you. So I'll offer my opinion, but please discard any part of it that doesn't resonate with you. Too often people give advice with the best of intentions, and it ends up being more harmful than useful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My personal gauge of whether or not to take medication is this: are my depression and anxiety having such a negative impact on me that they significantly lower the quality of my life? If the answer is yes, then it feels appropriate for me to take medication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a huge advocate for taking medication because it's helped me SO much, but I know that everyone has a different path. From your previous posts and this one, it sounds like you would prefer to try other forms of treatment first. And I think there are a lot of benefits to this approach. Besides CBT, there are also natural remedies, yoga, meditation, diet changes etc. that could possibly be very beneficial to you. And all those things are all worth trying because you just never know - a combination of CBT and time in the woods could be exactly what you need, and you might never have to take medication to treat your anxiety, OCD, and depression.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you do ultimately decide you need medication, just be sure to find a psychiatrist who really gets you. It might take some shopping around, but a good psychiatrist can make all the difference in the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wish you the very best, and happy trails!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kathryn
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you Kathryn. I'm so glad that medication has been helpful for you. In my heart of hearts I know that it is probably best that I try and get through this with quote on quote natural remedies first. It is quite hard, though, to sit here and feel this way when there is a possible solution which is such an easy one.
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, might I ask which medications you have tried and how long you have taken them for? I hope I'm not being too forward. I know that everyone is different in regards to psych meds, so I'm really just asking out of curiousity. Which SSRI's helped you with social anxiety, as I remember you saying that they were really nice for you in that regards. Thank you so much for your kind response.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > > Many will come here and say that I am the cause of their real or imagined ills. And you may even be swayed by those using fallacious arguments that fall apart when intelligent readers are given by me what could expose the hate. You see, one of the most horrible yet effective tactics used by Jew-haters is the fallacy of scapegoating. Ignorant people are easily swayed to hate the targeted person by another using scapegoating. And tragically, this site allows scapegoating of me to be seen as being supportive along with the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda. That could easily persuade you to discard what I am going to tell you in my next post. And those posters here that use that tactic to defame me here, could have the deaths of those that are killed by the drugs from reading here and rejecting my warnings, could have their blood upon them as leading them to their deaths and/or life-ruining conditions or addictions from the drugs that they advocate here and readers suffer a horrible death by them....more
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > John,
> > > Another fallacy allowed to be used here is the fallacy of stigma. Mr. Hsiung himself even uses this fallacy against me here and leads others to think that it will be good for his community as a whole for him to do it so he thinks. Stigmatization is a cruel tactic but worse it could lead readers here to their deaths by them ignoring what I post here en banc as Mr. Hsiung himself advocates that readers ignore me as he himself ignores me to be an example for others to ignore me. This cruel tactic could result in the deaths of readers that are influenced to ignore me by Mr. Hsiung, so that others mimic his example. His example is deplorable in a mental-health community and can create and develop anti-Semitic hate which readers could think is being supportive by Mr. Hsiung for he states that support takes precedence. And when you see hate condoned by a psychiatrist, know that the fruits of hate are being created and developed. This could induce a mindset to kill others and also for those with homicidal thinking, suicidal thinking can emerge before that.
> > > And now you stand by the edge where your next step could be death. And if you turn around now, that next step could lead you to life, and life more abundantly...more
> > > Lou
> >
> > Lou,
> > What are the grounds for your argument? Have you personally had bad experiences with medications or been close to someone who has? Or are you speaking from a moral point of view, that one must find true happiness through themselves and others, not through chemicals?
> > John
>
> John,
> You wrote,[...the grounds...not through chemicals...].
> You stand today at the door that could lead to life or death. And your choice could be influenced here by a psychiatrist that chairs this site and his members in concert with him that play the same song of hate. And at the same time I say with shame that Mr. Hsiung is a teacher as I am that is allowing anti-Semitic hate and defamation and fallacious arguments that could lead readers to their deaths or get a life-ruining condition or addiction to be seen as being supportive here which could mislead you to your death.
> I have come here to free the captives from entertaining the deadly music being played here so that they could sing a new song that could lead to life and peace. This song is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung for me to lead readers to as it comes from a Jewish perspective that I am prevented by him from posting here. This is nothing new, but an ancient hatred that was furthered by European Fascism that was put to death decades ago that is being resurrected here on the banner of that it will be good for Mr. Hsiung's community as a whole for him to allow it to be promulgated here so he thinks. This is the same argument to justify slavery and infanticide and segregation and racism and genocide. It turns my stomach.
> Here is a post that I am prohibited to post but Mr. Hsiung allows his former deputy to be immune from his enforcement policy in his TOS so she can post it. The post has a link in it that is what I want you to examine. Look at what it says. It says that the foundation of Judaism is not going to be allowed by him. That is against the Jew which is the basis of anti-Semitism. That makes his policy an anti-Semitic policy because he allows that foundation of hatred toward the Jews to be posted with impunity which shows discrimination against Judaism itself which makes this an anti-Semitic site according to the definition of anti-Semitism that incorporates that being against Judaism while allowing the foundation of hatred toward the Jews, is anti-Semitic on its face.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1076922.htmlJohn,
You want to make a decision to go the road of mind-altering chemicals in collaboration with a psychiatrist or not. And you ask members here that advocate to shun me by not opening my posts and advocating to others to also not open my posts. That is allowed by Mr. Hsiung in contradiction of his own rules that stigmatizes me as someone that could post something that could bring harm to you so you better not read what I post. This is nothing new but a form of ghettoizing the Jew as used historically to isolate the Jewish perspective. The tragic consequences from Mr. Hsiung allowing those posts to be seen as being supportive, could lead you to ignore me and worse, choose to have dialog with my persecutors here to gain acceptance of the group as psychologists write about in how racism is furthered in a community by the leaders creating and developing racist and anti-Semitic propaganda to be exempt from the laws of the community. By others being allowed to post this hate here with impunity, while I am held to the standards of the laws here, denies me the equal protection of the laws here and I must suffer humiliation and emotional distress and defamation because Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record deny me the equal protection of the notification policy here. He says that by him denying me the equal protection of his rules, that his community will be good for the whole because of him doing so, which is in his thinking. That same thinking was used by men decades ago that resulted in millions of Jewish children being murdered. Their ashes were heaped and carried by the wind to be scattered so that they can not speak here. I will speak for them.
Lou
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