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Posted by Christ_empowered on April 11, 2015, at 12:24:04
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 6:05:40
yeah, me either...I googled it, because I've known that one woman who had such excellent results and because I was on Adderall w/ on again, off again Abilify, so...I was curious...
The AAPs have taken over, and it seems they're used a lot more in "cocktails," many of which include stimulants. Makes sense.
Some of the early "antidepressants" were amphetamines mixed with the early neuroleptics. I thought that was crazy, until I thought about it...makes sense. Low dose thorazine, varying doses of Dexedrine...anti-anxiety+agitation, maybe a bit of sedation, plus mood elevation...
...of course, some of those combos were primarily for weight loss. Eskatrol (dexedrine plus prochlorperazine) comes to mind.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Christ_empowered on April 11, 2015, at 12:24:04
How does that make sense?
Pushing dopamine through the roof and then shutting it down again?
IDK, there is this notion on this board that
psychiatric meds are so helpful that i just dont agree with.
Posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2015, at 19:21:38
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
Me either and lately the Medical Nursing and doc notifications I get are saying the same. One is that TCA's are safer than SSRI's & SNRI"s. Tylenol causes liver failure even in safe amounts, and motrin or any of it's derivitives can cause heart attacks, bleeding internally etc. Phillipa
Posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:43:54
In reply to Beware of false doctors-tehykehychanz, posted by Lou Pilder on April 11, 2015, at 9:13:57
Does suggesting to people they should discontinue their medications make you a "false doctor" as well?
Posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:50:37
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
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> IDK, there is this notion on this board that
> psychiatric meds are so helpful that i just dont agree with.
>
>I don't think everyone here thinks that way. I see a variety of viewpoints regarding psychiatry which I find useful.
Posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:52:45
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
I'm sorry to hear things are still really rough for you right now. Have you thought about getting a second opinion from a different pdoc?
What alternative treatments have you tried?
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 11, 2015, at 21:33:52
In reply to Re: Beware of false doctors-tehykehychanzonme » Lou Pilder, posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:43:54
> Does suggesting to people they should discontinue their medications make you a "false doctor" as well?
>
> h_ps and friends,
It is written here,[...suggesting to people that they should discontinue their (drugs)...].
Let there be no misunderstanding here. There is a great danger when stopping psychiatric drugs that I have written here about as that one could go into a mind-altered state to kill themselves and/or others and even commit mass-murder.
And I have written here about that one could become in captivity to the drugs and those that want a way out, I could post here how they could do that. But the prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung prevent me from posting that for it would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to post here.
And those whose lives have been taken away by the drugs being allowed to be promoted here as "medicines", their blood will not be upon me, my friends. For I know the way to being delivered out of captivity from these drugs through a narrow Gate, a Gate that others will not allow to go to, a Gate that leads to life out of the darkness of depression which could be a living death as can be seen by many posters here writing of the misery and suffering that they are in while trying many of these so-called medicines.
I know a way that people can discontinue their drugs without them killing themselves and/or others. But the prohibitions here to me keep me from posting about The Great Deception, that would come from a Jewish perspective. And many will search for the Gate that leads to Eternal Life and be prevented to learn from me so there is the potential that few here there be that find it.
Here is an article that I would like interested reads to read.
Lou
To see this article go to Google and type in:
[Psychiatric drugs: by Lawrence Stevens, J.D. ]>
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Posted by Lamdage22 on April 12, 2015, at 4:01:43
In reply to Lous reply and warning- » herpills, posted by Lou Pilder on April 11, 2015, at 21:33:52
Current drugs are very limited.
Im waiting for Glyx-13 (Rapastinel) to come out.
Posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 4:52:29
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
Why don't you stick with what you know works?. zyprexa, perphenazine. You can always change your diet, exercise, and take a really small dose of zyprexa. Get the biggest cheapest pill possible and cut a very little bit off it once in a while. Every day or every couple days. You didn't gain on perphenazine did you? Could you convince your doc to give you a much higher dose than in the past? Remember its cheaper than the hospital.
Also want to say that if you get a good nights sleep you will lose weight. I'm taking 20mg z a day and have been losing weight I get good sleep. Yes its Teva..
Its obvious you need a pill that will help you get good sleep! Probably from PTSD, I have that too. If I don't take z, I don't sleep, really. could be awake for days. So what I'm saying is do some reaseach and find a good med that will help you sleep, mood disorder help, psychosis, etc.. I find that p actually helps my moods. I cut down on dose and I have problems, I get angry, irritable..
Zyprexa!
Posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:02:57
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on April 11, 2015, at 6:05:40
I should have mentioned that I take a lot of stimulants with my z and p. I drink a boat load of caffine and I take bupropion sr.
Posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:29:50
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 11, 2015, at 13:29:30
> How does that make sense?
>
> Pushing dopamine through the roof and then shutting it down again?
>
Maybe there is more to it. You are really taking the stimulant for the stimulant effect.
> IDK, there is this notion on this board that
> psychiatric meds are so helpful that i just dont agree with.
>
..So.why do you take them??
Posted by Christ_empowered on April 12, 2015, at 5:38:36
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Lamdage22, posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:29:50
Prescribing ritalin, sometimes even amphetamines, to those on stable AP/AAP treatment used to be fairly common. How did the early patients get through clozapine sedation (late 60s) ? Ritalin. How did a lot of schizophrenic patients lose weight in the 50s-70s? Amphetamines and amphetamine-type diet pills. Nothing new.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 12, 2015, at 6:06:29
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Zyprexa on April 12, 2015, at 5:02:57
Because i cant just stop taking them.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 12, 2015, at 7:48:40
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Christ_empowered on April 12, 2015, at 5:38:36
This just underlines how random psychiatry is.
Prescribing antipsychotics in conjunction with "pro-psychotics".
Who cares. At least people are geared up on something.
Posted by phidippus on April 12, 2015, at 8:31:40
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
Do you know how rare SJS is?
Go back on the lamictal.
Eric
Posted by SLS on April 12, 2015, at 8:54:14
In reply to Re: so what's next? » b2chica, posted by phidippus on April 12, 2015, at 8:31:40
> Do you know how rare SJS is?
>
> Go back on the lamictal.
>
> EricI tend to agree with Eric. Just in case, try using the titration guide suggested in the PDR (RxList) for people who are starting Lamictal while already taking Depakote. It starts at a lower dosage and works up more gradually. Because you are not taking Depakote, however, your final dosage will be the standard found to work for bipolar depression 200 - 300 mg/day. Trileptal + Lamictal makes a good combination for people who are bipolar 2 mixed-state. You might even profit from adding Wellbutrin.
As always,
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on April 12, 2015, at 9:16:26
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
Posted by Horse on April 12, 2015, at 11:14:09
In reply to so what's next?, posted by b2chica on April 11, 2015, at 0:31:30
b2c when I first tried lamictal, I had an odd reaction much like you've described...an odd tightness in my chest (hard to describe but felt swollen? Inflamed? Anyways, unique. Breathing more rapid...pretty darn intolerable.
However, lamictal has been a life changer! I tried again after some time, and that wierd, ramping up sensation was gone :)
I've settled at 200 mg nightly. Never had anything touch my rapid cycling until now. Give it another try.
Posted by baseball55 on April 12, 2015, at 19:26:19
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 12, 2015, at 6:06:29
> Because i cant just stop taking them.
>
>But why not? If they don't work and you hate them?
Posted by 10derheart on April 12, 2015, at 23:11:42
In reply to Re: Beware of false doctors-tehykehychanzonme » Lou Pilder, posted by herpills on April 11, 2015, at 20:43:54
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 13, 2015, at 2:49:20
In reply to Re: so what's next? » Lamdage22, posted by baseball55 on April 12, 2015, at 19:26:19
> > Because i cant just stop taking them.
> >
> >
>
> But why not? If they don't work and you hate them?Because the brain adapts to them.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 13, 2015, at 4:35:33
In reply to Re: so what's next?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 13, 2015, at 2:49:20
To put it mildly.
Psychosis during withdrawal is worse than the psychosis they wanted to treat with These drugs to begin with.
Doesnt that make you think?
I was still on a shitload of AAPs but psychotic. Worse than when i didnt take any drugs.
That can tell you that they "work". It can also tell you that they are addicting and NO good and actually DONT work. At least not in the Long term.
What makes you think you are are right and i am wrong?
I estimate that withdrawal will take 3 years. I have this rule that i Keep 3 months time in between reductions of AAPs. I reduce by either 100mg Seroquel or by 2.5 mg Zyprexa.
Posted by b2chica on April 13, 2015, at 13:23:34
In reply to Lamictal » b2chica, posted by Horse on April 12, 2015, at 11:14:09
could some of my 'odd' reactions to meds be psychosomatic? i'm sure some could... i have enough other psychological issues and no one really knows how the brain works so it is always a possibility after all, that's also why we get the placebo effect right?
almost all the symptoms i could live with except (and i mean this literally) i could not live with the swelling in my nasal passages/throat back of tongue). it was constricting my throat and it was getting worse. and it was my T's suggestion that it was a SJS reaction not mine... pdoc never said either way.
now, with that in mind. i have had a similar reaction to zyprexa once when a doc increased too quickly, i had my tongue swell.
plus since i have asthma, i'm sure that didn't help much.
but quite frankly for folks to say just 'get over it' and try it again, is slightly like those that have told me similar about my depression and a little insulting. then again, i have a lot of apathy these days, and quite frankly just don't care after 2min.However,
with all this said, i am under care of a pdoc. SHE is the one dictating this and much less flexible than my last doc. i am fairly sure that if i was allowed to get back on my adderall it would make a huge difference and probably just the bump i need. in fact i have been feeling better and think it may be the ONLY bump i need. however, she has not agreed to that yet. last week she wasn't sure where to go next. so i was just seeing which direction others may suggest.
pretty much everything people suggested i've been on before and has either not worked or pooped out.Except Zyprexa mentioned the perphenazine. I think i will mention this to her (AGAIN) and see what she thinks.
Thing is, it seems my mood is better (only slightly underwater) but my energy is still in the toilet. no motivation, don't want to do anything, no goals...etc.so i think next appt i will suggest either:
perphenazine and adderall combo or
try TCA, except i'm still on pristiq 50mg and i assume i may have to go off that which more weeks lost...anyway....
thanks.
i'll maybe post again if something does end up working. i've kinda lost hope but also don't really care right now. i have no job to worry about, no hobby, and i have amazon prime and all the instant videos i need. not to mention we just got new pillows.i'm set.
who needs to get out of the house anyway.b
Posted by Zyprexa on April 14, 2015, at 0:44:32
In reply to Re: Lamictal, posted by b2chica on April 13, 2015, at 13:23:34
You have been sounding much better since the short time you were on zyprexa. Thats why I think a little bit now and then might help.
Posted by b2chica on April 14, 2015, at 11:53:27
In reply to Re: Lamictal » b2chica, posted by Zyprexa on April 14, 2015, at 0:44:32
yes, zyprexa has always been my 'go to' med. i would usually go on it once or twice a year for a couple weeks sometimes a month and it would be good.
back in the days of my old pdoc things were a little quicker and more efficient...i guess i'm still getting used to this pdocs style. she's Very cautious (which isn't a bad thing) but she just waits forever... though most of it makes since, part of me can't help but think, she just doenst know what move to make next.
when i'm good, i'm great.... but when i'm not, its tricky. but i had seen my old pdoc for about 10 years and he knew how i reacted to things and he was quite brilliant as well.i am much better now... i just feel like i just need a slight bump to get me over this next hill. to increase energy and slight mood lift... i guess thats why i really think adderall is just the thing. at least to try.
if pdoc doesn't suggest anything i may just try it in really small dose to see if it helps.thanks Z.
-b2
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