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Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 6, 2013, at 13:31:02
i've been starving myself on all liquid for 6 weeks...and many times i screwed up and indulged myself with fattening food....but the current thing is im on 4 shakes a day....small dinner, one can of tuna at 12am...because i can't go to bed on an empty stomach...i can't sleep, its painful...i have to have tiny portions of food at night.
The weight has yoyoed up and down, espcially when i indulged in food....the current plan is going on liquid for a day...then the next day small porportion food, to keep the metbolism active....if i live on liquid for this 6 weeks...the metabolism goes down because it doesnt have anything to process solid food wise. But seriously, im so disappointed in myself for failing, i made a determination to stay on liquid for 4 months. I just can't do it....its not healthy no matter how many vitamen and mineral shakes i have....
see i kinda figured out whats gonna happen, if i went all 4 months on liquid it would be rapid weight loss, but it would fade, when i went back to regular eating...and knowing me i eat alot....it would come right back on. So, liquid diet is being cancelled as a food intake. It's good for fast weight loss but in the long run....it doesnt work.
thanks for reading...
r
Posted by gadchik on February 6, 2013, at 15:07:12
In reply to liquid diet discontinued, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 6, 2013, at 13:31:02
I dont know how you did it that long. I love to eat,but I am lucky, I love healthy food! I hate pop,and most junk, I dont like fast food.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 6, 2013, at 17:33:24
In reply to Re: liquid diet discontinued, posted by gadchik on February 6, 2013, at 15:07:12
well the first 2 weeks all on liquid....nothing else...it was easy for the first week....then it got difficult into the second week....couple weeks later started having small snacks...during shakes....once and a while food...like a can of tuna ... then started having small dinners, and then past week four started cheating and having good food.....candy....but still not excess food...just maybe having a mild pig out once and a while and i have to say it felt SO GOOD to have food in my stomach..that full feeling...oprah did a diet like this in the 80's....she lost 70lbs...so id thought id run alone with a similar diet but after a while i noticed i could not even think without having food....these shakes i have are filled with vitamens, amino acids....it just didnt work.....so ...
im not totally quiting the liquid...i have the liquid shakes duing the day and dinner at night....roughly 1000-1200calorie diet...the shakes with no food is 800calories and i was litterly losing a pound a day, then it slowed down because the metabolism slows down due to no food intake.
So, excersise will keep this off....i've been neglecting it lol....
r
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2013, at 18:34:17
In reply to Re: liquid diet discontinued, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 6, 2013, at 17:33:24
RJ the way to lose weight is healthy diet meaning food, and excercise. Take it slow and don't deprive yourself of any foods. Eat a favorite in moderation. Phillipa
Posted by hyperfocus on February 8, 2013, at 10:41:42
In reply to liquid diet discontinued, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 6, 2013, at 13:31:02
rj the common wisdom is that those type of extreme diets simply don't work. What sustains fat burn is accelerating your body's metabolism through exercise -- not slowing it down by near starvation. Unless you sequester yourself somewhere in a cave or something it's just not possible to maintain the extreme eating requirements, and in any case people who claim to have gotten results simply regain the weight after a few months.
You don't have to go outside necessarily to lose weight. Anaerobic exercises like lifting weights are terrific ways to lose weight and gain strength and improve your figure. Body builders eat thousands of calories more than their body weight because their bodies need to burn the extra calories to fuel their muscles during workouts and repair them after. It is very hard though admittedly for people with ADD to keep focused on a repetitive and boring and tiring workout indoors. What I try to do is go for really long walks and runs where there are plenty of people and things to see. Remember ADD people often need extra-stimulation, not less, to do things.
And I keep telling you but why are you taking such heavy doses of Zyprexa and Prozac? They make things like ADD and weight gain so much worse. Can't you just take meds for the ADD so you can exercise and study and stuff and forget all the pdocs who keep thinking you're paranoid and delusional? How can you research meds and weight loss diets and video games if you're paranoid and delusional -- it doesn't make sense.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 8, 2013, at 12:27:32
In reply to Re: liquid diet discontinued » rjlockhart37, posted by hyperfocus on February 8, 2013, at 10:41:42
hey hyperfocus....
listen...yea people here on babble have told me those are high duty meds....but listen, like i said before my body has created a resistance against my medication...i've been tryin to keep to myself because no one listens and tellsm me its all in my head. It doesnt take effect, maybe its tolerance....or some chemical the body made to cancel it out. I know what its like to be on full doses of prozac and zyprexa...its a wierd feeling....its not that bad...because i was on this when i was in rehab....the zyprexa really SLOWED down things....
but yea i have to admit that is a ... wierd...but my diagnosis from my doctor is schizoeffective, and some forms of psychosis without paranoid type. It's the spiritual issues that i told them, and still it does preoccupy me....thinking im jumping sides between jesus christ and lucifer....and lucifer is in my thoughts...its silly...but its pretty real....but if all this stupid spiritual stuff wasnt here... i know i have depression and ADHD with some forms of anxiety.
I'm wierd....i was diagnosed with aspergger's in 2008 and i do have some signs of it...but not all of it. Schizophenia was another diagnosis in 2012 on a psych exam i had to take for a goverment program called DARS.
i know...its just my doctor is bit difficult to work with....
r
Posted by hyperfocus on February 8, 2013, at 15:19:44
In reply to Re: liquid diet discontinued, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 8, 2013, at 12:27:32
> listen...yea people here on babble have told me those are high duty meds....
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People on babble have been taking meds for decades. They know what are the heavy-duty meds and what they can do to a person. It's not just your brain you have to worry about -- you're putting your body at serious risk. The doses of meds you're taking I'd more expect to find on a psych word as treatment for severely psychotic patients, not for a twenty-something kid with ASD living at home.>but listen, like i said before my body has created a resistance against my medication...
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That's not possible except for things like antibiotics. What is probable is that you are being wrongly and excessively medicated for conditions you do not have.>i've been tryin to keep to myself because no one listens and tellsm me its all in my head.
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What I'm saying is it's not what you think it is. Aspies have a unique inner cognitive style that is hyper-rational and hyper-verbal. When dealing with bad experiences it can feel as if you are fighting against another separate voice or consciousness in your mind. Did you often make up plays and films and scenarios in your head when you were a child? It's the same thing. Yes there's an element of involuntariness and intrusiveness and combativeness especially when trying to cope with emotionally traumatic issues, but it is more of a PTSD-type alteration with repressed emotions compartmentalized as seemingly separate voices or personalities. Have you ever been checked for C-PTSD? C-PTSD and severe anxiety and depression are epidemic among aspies.It doesnt take effect, maybe its tolerance....or some chemical the body made to cancel it out. I know what its like to be on full doses of prozac and zyprexa...its a wierd feeling....its not that bad...because i was on this when i was in rehab....the zyprexa really SLOWED down things....
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Antipsychotics can have significant anti-anxiety effects because of their heavy dopamine antagonism. This is completely different from what people with psychosis experience with their treatment with antipsychotics. Severe anxiety presents as some level of paranoia and delusions but is not psychosis. Severe distress in aspies can manifest as almost hallucinatory hearing of voices in your mind but is NOT psychosis. Zyprexa slows down everything -- including your ability to think and focus and feel. It can be calming at first but it's not a long-term solution. Meds are very limited as to what they can do -- memories and cognition and behaviour interact with each other in very complex ways. The way you think and what you feel is how your brain is wired -- you can't make long-term changes through meds alone.
> but yea i have to admit that is a ... wierd...but my diagnosis from my doctor is schizoeffective, and some forms of psychosis without paranoid type. It's the spiritual issues that i told them, and still it does preoccupy me....thinking im jumping sides between jesus christ and lucifer....and lucifer is in my thoughts...its silly...but its pretty real....but if all this stupid spiritual stuff wasnt here... i know i have depression and ADHD with some forms of anxiety.
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All this stupid spiritual stuff is just your mind working. Your mind verbalizes opinions and concepts and jumps from one thing to the next very quickly -- when in distress it can seem like you are waging a war inside yourself. It's coming from the same place where you read about and write about video games or meds or things you take an interest in on your own. You could be doing original research in theology or writing or something when you get better.
> I'm wierd....i was diagnosed with aspergger's in 2008 and i do have some signs of it...but not all of it. Schizophenia was another diagnosis in 2012 on a psych exam i had to take for a goverment program called DARS.
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People with Asperger's are commonly misdiagnosed with schizo* because of their flat emotional affect, lack of non-verbal communication, and especially how their mind works. The original term for Asperger's was autistic psychopathy -- to tell you how far the discoverer was from the actual basis of the condition -- but aspies and psychopaths are at the extremes of the neurodevelopmental spectrum. It's not that you don't feel anything -- you actually feel too much. Aspies feel loneliness and fear failure and rejection much more acutely than neurotypical people. Couple that with severe deficits in social cognition and ADD-level inattention and so many other deficits, it makes for an extraordinarily difficult growing up. Depression, anxiety, social phobia, PTSD are all epidemic among aspies, but they must be treated specifically for what they have, not just by blindfire Lamictal and Zyprexa.> i know...its just my doctor is bit difficult to work with....
I think you need to find a doctor with expertise in dealing with people with autism spectrum disorder. I struggled for two decades with multiple conflicting diagnoses and a host of useless antidepressant and antipsychotic med treatments before I was finally able to find some hope and a path to get betterIn my opinion you need to understand and separate neurodevelopmental conditions from psychological issues and understand what your strengths are vs. your deficits. You have Asperger's, which means for example you will always be hypersensitive to criticism, always have high-levels of anxiety, always have trouble communicating and expressing what you are feeling, always have severe problems with social interactions, always have ADD-level inattention. But for all these things there are many more positive qualities.
If I were you rj I'd ask your doctor taper off all of your meds because I doubt they are helping you any. There are several non-stimulant ADD meds you can try and specific learning and studying and working techniques you will have to use and many many theraputic approaches for everything else you can try on your own. If you babblemail me I'll email you a lot of stuff I have on Asperger's. Tony Attwood's "The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome" book is a good place to start but there are several more plus dozens of sites and blogs with info you need.
Posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2013, at 20:08:24
In reply to Re: Asperger's vs. psychosis » rjlockhart37, posted by hyperfocus on February 8, 2013, at 15:19:44
Isn't it true you are also intellectually extremly smart for lack of better word? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 8, 2013, at 23:55:20
In reply to Re: Asperger's vs. psychosis » rjlockhart37, posted by hyperfocus on February 8, 2013, at 15:19:44
People on babble have been taking meds for decades. They know what are the heavy-duty meds and what they can do to a person. It's not just your brain you have to worry about -- you're putting your body at serious risk. The doses of meds you're taking I'd more expect to find on a psych word as treatment for severely psychotic patients, not for a twenty-something kid with ASD living at home.
-yes, the heavy duty meds are not really heavy duty for me....they lost their effect, you don't understand...the only thing that sometimes will work is the zyperxa at night...after i put it under my tongue...nasty....and the Nuvigil. I've been on worse heavy duty meds...like Dexedrine 60mg spansules with Xanax 2mg in the morning....xanax at 12pm and another at bedtime ... that is what you call big time heavy meds, and before that i was taking Temazepam WITH xanax at night, both at maxed out doses. It was nice for the time....but it did come to an end. And i have to respect that, and admit the doctor didnt want to treat me anymore...and sent me to a psych ward....they ripped me off ALL my meds. That was the worst time ever in my life, the withdrawl was horrible and they refused to treat the withdrawl....only used vistiril and zyprexa...horrible time...
_________________________________________That's not possible except for things like antibiotics. What is probable is that you are being wrongly and excessively medicated for conditions you do not have
\\its more like tolerance to the meds...this all started in 2010, slowly losing their effect...and noticed even coffee would not take effect. So right now...i don't know what its causing, i pray to God everynight...well jesus christ...and i've been doing it and nothing...but there is something that is undetected and not showing up on tests...because these meds...the prozac they don't work like they did, i keep saying this...they lost their effect. But hopefully....spirit forces will do something...if its jesus christ-holy spirit or lucifer's boys....right now i just need some relief.
___________________________________________Antipsychotics can have significant anti-anxiety effects because of their heavy dopamine antagonism. This is completely different from what people with psychosis experience with their treatment with antipsychotics. Severe anxiety presents as some level of paranoia and delusions but is not psychosis. Severe distress in aspies can manifest as almost hallucinatory hearing of voices in your mind but is NOT psychosis. Zyprexa slows down everything -- including your ability to think and focus and feel. It can be calming at first but it's not a long-term solution. Meds are very limited as to what they can do -- memories and cognition and behaviour interact with each other in very complex ways. The way you think and what you feel is how your brain is wired -- you can't make long-term changes through meds alone.
Yes, antipsychosis meds...they get dopamine out of the places where there too much...see my psychosis is not really considered the real thing...religious obsession will become a preoccupation and it will turn into nasty feeling like spirit forces are watching....not to tell when there's an actual sign of their presence...things moving, random couisidences, telepathy....i was originally reading on spirit guides a while back...and decided to write the arcangel Gabriel a letter for guidance from God...layed in the bed...this image of a blondhaired pale faced with wings.. popped up and conversed with my thoughts...said gabriel was his brother...but he though he'd be a guiding force....and i didnt have to ask who...i knew who he was....its like telepathy with spirit beings...just mental junk that has no sources to back it up. That's just what started this whole event of religious awareness of other forces. It's not really a psych problem. I know its real.
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All this stupid spiritual stuff is just your mind working. Your mind verbalizes opinions and concepts and jumps from one thing to the next very quickly -- when in distress it can seem like you are waging a war inside yourself. It's coming from the same place where you read about and write about video games or meds or things you take an interest in on your own. You could be doing original research in theology or writing or something when you get better.
-i do have my world views but its limited, im not a world guru on anything...i simply state my beliefs...sometimes they go off...make pointless remarks....bad weeds in some sections...maybe i do act like a know it all....but im not, i could get blown away so easy by people who are enriched with knowedge of spiritual stuff and meds here on the boards....and not by the figmant of imagination of my simple world views and beliefs.
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People with Asperger's are commonly misdiagnosed with schizo* because of their flat emotional affect, lack of non-verbal communication, and especially how their mind works. The original term for Asperger's was autistic psychopathy -- to tell you how far the discoverer was from the actual basis of the condition -- but aspies and psychopaths are at the extremes of the neurodevelopmental spectrum. It's not that you don't feel anything -- you actually feel too much. Aspies feel loneliness and fear failure and rejection much more acutely than neurotypical people. Couple that with severe deficits in social cognition and ADD-level inattention and so many other deficits, it makes for an extraordinarily difficult growing up. Depression, anxiety, social phobia, PTSD are all epidemic among aspies, but they must be treated specifically for what they have, not just by blindfire Lamictal and Zyprexa.
-the rejection and distant social cues...that is one of my deeprest pains...i've put it away because its not something to go run and tell someone to solve it...i have to figure how to handle...rejection from people that loved me....its not their fault...and i have figure out what im doing wrong...i do have nights when i lay in the bed and have emotional moments under the pillow....but you know...dwelling on stuff like that causes more sorrow, and then it grows...and then other people who care makes them filled with sorrow....i don't to do that...i don't want any sorrow at all. No burden, no pity parties....even though it does come once and while....
___________________________________________You really have a extensive way you post...im sorry i didnt post back to your post on the video games...sorry about that...ill be scrowling down the boards and have no motivation to talk....have to force myself for just politeness.
It is difficult .... im not 100perct sure i have aspie but ... i hide because i always am scared of being discrimated against...it terrifies me to even think of someone pushing my buttons and then rejecting me....and the effect from the fear is sorrow. So gotta get those both cancelled out.
Thanks Focus.,,
r
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 9, 2013, at 22:11:07
In reply to Re: Asperger's vs. psychosis » rjlockhart37, posted by hyperfocus on February 8, 2013, at 15:19:44
I am 25....and i have vary good reason right now to live at home...i have no conflict...and hope to plan to get my own place soon. I'm not at all saying im better or anything...but seriously even if i did accept that I have ASP, which i do not....it wouldnt make any diffrence because no one is going to help me...even in the bad condition im in with learning to function on my own...its difficult but i know i can't ask for help...people just ... don't do those things without labeling a person with some disorder. As silly as it sounds, the spirit does help me in some things, aknowedgement of doing a good job....like having a guide... or presence in the mind with something else there...
but anyways.....everything has a reason for happening...
Posted by hyperfocus on February 10, 2013, at 16:35:20
In reply to Re: Asperger's vs. psychosis » hyperfocus, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 8, 2013, at 23:55:20
> -yes, the heavy duty meds are not really heavy duty for me....they lost their effect, you don't understand...the only thing that sometimes will work is the zyperxa at night...after i put it under my tongue...nasty....and the Nuvigil. I've been on worse heavy duty meds...like Dexedrine 60mg spansules with Xanax 2mg in the morning....xanax at 12pm and another at bedtime ... that is what you call big time heavy meds, and before that i was taking Temazepam WITH xanax at night, both at maxed out doses. It was nice for the time....but it did come to an end. And i have to respect that, and admit the doctor didnt want to treat me anymore...and sent me to a psych ward....they ripped me off ALL my meds. That was the worst time ever in my life, the withdrawl was horrible and they refused to treat the withdrawl....only used vistiril and zyprexa...horrible time...
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The effect stimulants and benzos can have on you in the short-term can be significant but this is simply not sustainable -- psych meds and your brain just don't work like that. You need long-term solutions for your psych issues -- relying on those meds was going to lead you down a very dark path towards the 'heaviest' meds like meth and opiates. It was probably a very good thing you withdrew from them when you did. I know having ADD and anxiety and depression are a huge obstacle to living but you have to look at what you can do yourself to get better -- which is a lot. There's no perfect med combo -- heavyweight or otherwise -- that will get you better. I've done the whole under the tongue and mashing up meds in a glass of milk so the protective coating comes off and they get absorbed faster thing. But I had to realize that even the bestest most awesomest long-lasting med wasn't going to do anything but a small fraction of what I needed to cope with my problems.> \\its more like tolerance to the meds...this all started in 2010, slowly losing their effect...and noticed even coffee would not take effect. So right now...i don't know what its causing, i pray to God everynight...well jesus christ...and i've been doing it and nothing...but there is something that is undetected and not showing up on tests...because these meds...the prozac they don't work like they did, i keep saying this...they lost their effect. But hopefully....spirit forces will do something...if its jesus christ-holy spirit or lucifer's boys....right now i just need some relief.
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I think tolerance to psych meds -- poop out, stopped and restarted meds that no longer work -- is a really complex issue, partly physiological and part psychological. You know a lot of critical brain functions can migrate from one part of the brain to the next. It's possible the mechanisms and even locations of depression can change in a person in a short space of time and meds that worked before can stop for seemingly no reason. But rj the issues aspies face are life-long: just like ADD meds simply can't cure it totally.> Yes, antipsychosis meds...they get dopamine out of the places where there too much...see my psychosis is not really considered the real thing...religious obsession will become a preoccupation and it will turn into nasty feeling like spirit forces are watching....not to tell when there's an actual sign of their presence...things moving, random couisidences, telepathy....i was originally reading on spirit guides a while back...and decided to write the arcangel Gabriel a letter for guidance from God...layed in the bed...this image of a blondhaired pale faced with wings.. popped up and conversed with my thoughts...said gabriel was his brother...but he though he'd be a guiding force....and i didnt have to ask who...i knew who he was....its like telepathy with spirit beings...just mental junk that has no sources to back it up. That's just what started this whole event of religious awareness of other forces. It's not really a psych problem. I know its real.
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For me spirituality is a big part of trying to recover -- no human being goes through a protracted painful long-term period of adversity without speculating on large issues. I just want to tell you that pain and fear and stuff belong to this world. And whatever evil does to you or deprives you of, it can only affect the things you hold on to in this world. Things that are in your spirit -- who you are and all your true beliefs -- nothing or nobody like lucifer and his boys can touch.
> -the rejection and distant social cues...that is one of my deeprest pains...i've put it away because its not something to go run and tell someone to solve it...i have to figure how to handle...rejection from people that loved me....its not their fault...and i have figure out what im doing wrong...i do have nights when i lay in the bed and have emotional moments under the pillow....but you know...dwelling on stuff like that causes more sorrow, and then it grows...and then other people who care makes them filled with sorrow....i don't to do that...i don't want any sorrow at all. No burden, no pity parties....even though it does come once and while....
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Yes you are the only one who can figure it out, but at the same time it's really important to understand you have embedded hypersensitivities about relationships and deficits in social communication and emotional intelligence that are hardwired into your brain, and the steps that you can take to cope with them. That's what science and labels like Asperger's gives us -- the ability to discover more about ourselves and what we have in common with others and how we can help ourselves.>
im sorry i didnt post back to your post on the video games...sorry about that...ill be scrowling down the boards and have no motivation to talk....have to force myself for just politeness.
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I'm the same way most of the time and have been for most of my life. I had to learn that I actually need to be doing like at least three things at once with the TV going and music playing, to keep myself stimulated and sustain my attention. The TCA I take has a significant NE component and I've started drinking a lot of tea and sometimes coffee that also helps.> It is difficult .... im not 100perct sure i have aspie but ... i hide because i always am scared of being discrimated against...it terrifies me to even think of someone pushing my buttons and then rejecting me....and the effect from the fear is sorrow. So gotta get those both cancelled out.
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There's a huge realization now that aspies and all people with autism spectrum and ADD conditions have and have always had a huge amount to contribute to society and their differences are actually strengths. You know people like Steve Jobs and lots of programmers or musicians or artists had to struggle with the same things you did. I mean for everything you're deficient in you more than make up for it in strengths and advantages. In today's world people who think differently and easily come up with different solutions to things are the most coveted workers. You have a lot to contribute to this world and I know you would never do to anyone what others may have done to you.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 12, 2013, at 22:50:50
In reply to Re: Asperger's vs. psychosis » rjlockhart37, posted by hyperfocus on February 10, 2013, at 16:35:20
thanks...:)
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