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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
Friends
I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
A. The drugs you take now
B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
Lou
Posted by ChicagoKat on October 11, 2012, at 20:28:41
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
sigh, I can't help it, I just have to bite. I know I'll regret it.
Lou, for me, meds are vastly superior to death by suicide or heroin addiction, which were my next choices had my current med not worked. I am well aware that being on said med might shorten my life. But most likely by far less an amount than either of those options.
And I'm not religious, and I never will be, so shut it.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on October 11, 2012, at 21:26:09
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
Lou!!
What?!
A death-o-meter??
C'mon now.... Stop
Posted by phillipa on October 11, 2012, at 23:10:35
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Lou Pilder, posted by sleepygirl2 on October 11, 2012, at 21:26:09
Lou ridiculous and you are not God did you know that when a person's time comes some say that is it. I'm not religious either. So take the death o meter and compute your own death. Phillipa ps with or without meds
Posted by 10derheart on October 12, 2012, at 2:13:28
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
Lou,
Why did you think this was a good thing to post?
Support and education, I guess?
They sure do cover anything and everything :-(
Posted by vbs on October 12, 2012, at 2:14:45
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
wtf
Posted by Dinah on October 12, 2012, at 8:28:52
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
Lou, as someone from a family with a history of mental illness, and someone who has seen the results of brain based mental illness not being adequately treated, does it ever occur to you that if you do manage to frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them? Does it occur to you that someone who is ill enough to take your death-o-meter seriously enough to stop their medications may be ill enough to cause themselves harm off medications? I've seen my relatives who fight taking medication do things like jump off buildings thinking they could fly. I've seen them destroy their lives and their relationships with their families. And I've seen my relatives with similar issues who take their medications lead healthy lives and maintain their relationships.
It's easy enough for me to dismiss hyperbole. There are members of my family for whom such hyperbole would encourage their own desires to go off medications, their own wishes that faith could be enough, and their own fears about people trying to harm them.
If anyone were to go off their medications, and think they could fly, or go off their medications and destroy their relationships with their family, based on posts like this, would you feel any guilt at all?
It's easy to say that you have the way to peace and happiness without medication. Several of my relatives also had that faith in God. A legitimate and good faith that could be extremely beneficial in their lives. But they forgot that God has many ways to help people. As the old story goes...
There was a man sitting on top of a roof with the flood waters rising. A couple of boats came by, but he waved them on saying that God would provide. A helicopter came by and he refused help, saying God would provide. The floodwaters rose and he drowned. He asked God why he hadn't provided, and God answered "I sent you two boats and a helicopter. You refused them."
Medications can be a helicopter for some people, a life raft for others, and for some they can be a weight around the ankle. To make blanket statements about medications causing death is as dangerous as blanket statements about medications curing all. With God's grace, man has the intelligence and resourcefulness to create tools. We need to use them responsibly and wisely. Don't scare people away from a lifeboat, just to warn people of the dangers of unneeded medications.
Moreover, remember YMMV. What works for you may not work for everyone. What works for you may not work for the people around you. Please be respectful of that while trying to alert people of possible dangers.
Posted by ChicagoKat on October 12, 2012, at 12:53:42
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by phillipa on October 11, 2012, at 23:10:35
'take the death o meter and compute your own death. Phillipa ps with or without meds'
Woo hoo Phillipa! You go girl!!!! :D
Posted by ChicagoKat on October 12, 2012, at 13:01:45
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 12, 2012, at 8:28:52
> Lou, as someone from a family with a history of mental illness, and someone who has seen the results of brain based mental illness not being adequately treated, does it ever occur to you that if you do manage to frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them? Does it occur to you that someone who is ill enough to take your death-o-meter seriously enough to stop their medications may be ill enough to cause themselves harm off medications? I've seen my relatives who fight taking medication do things like jump off buildings thinking they could fly. I've seen them destroy their lives and their relationships with their families. And I've seen my relatives with similar issues who take their medications lead healthy lives and maintain their relationships.
So well-put Dinah. As someone who also has a family history of mental illness I completely agree. My grandfather killed himself when my Mom was only 1, back when there really were no antidepressants. I bet my Mom could have known her Dad, and I might have known my Grandfather, if there had been meds back then.And I agree, Lou's posts really scare me b/c I too fear that someone who is very ill and new to the board might read one of his posts and take it seriously and stop their meds and subsequently commit suicide or do something else devastating they would not have done if they had stayed on their meds.
I wish we could get this troll of the board, I think he is dangerous.
Kat
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 13:34:09
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
> Friends
> I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> A. The drugs you take now
> B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> LouFriends,
Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 13:45:04
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 13:34:09
> > Friends
> > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > A. The drugs you take now
> > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> LouFriends,
Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
Lou
Posted by SLS on October 12, 2012, at 13:49:13
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
Hi Lou.
I know you mean well.
I do think that your posts have the potential to do more harm than good. However, I have no statistical data to support this notion.
Since you like statistics, I challenge you to produce the statistics comparing the rate of suicides resulting from the altered mood and cognitive disturbances of depressive illness to the rate of deaths resulting directly from the sequalae of using drugs to treat it.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 12, 2012, at 14:14:11
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 13:45:04
> I have seen many members die here from the drugs.
Why do you not provide statistics here?
How many is "many"?
We are, of course, talking about the sampling of members of the Psycho-Babble posting community.
I think it is incumbent upon you to produce a sum and perhaps even examples by providing the posting names of those who you know to have died as a result of taking drugs. You will also need to describe the methodology by which you come to your conclusions regarding the cause of death of those people you refer to.
If you cannot produce the information requested above, I offer the suggestion that you desist posting about death due to drugs until you can.
- Scott
Posted by B2chica on October 12, 2012, at 14:55:03
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 12, 2012, at 13:49:13
nice one Scott. i too just as a curious mind would like to see some statistics.
b2c.
Posted by B2chica on October 12, 2012, at 15:00:02
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
i'm beginning to think you are my husband...you two would get along great.
so now i not only have to fight my debilitating mental illness but also have to fight to others as to why i take so many medications (or any at all) Great...thanks...(in case you missed it that last part was sarcasm)
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 20:57:25
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 13:45:04
> > > Friends
> > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> LouFriends,
This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:22:22
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 20:57:25
> > > > Friends
> > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.htmlFriends,
Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
Lou
To see this video,
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
Posted by phillipa on October 12, 2012, at 21:29:06
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 20:57:25
Lou please do not trigger others with threads such as this people please do now open I didn't. Better times are here. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:41:32
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 12, 2012, at 8:28:52
> Lou, as someone from a family with a history of mental illness, and someone who has seen the results of brain based mental illness not being adequately treated, does it ever occur to you that if you do manage to frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them? Does it occur to you that someone who is ill enough to take your death-o-meter seriously enough to stop their medications may be ill enough to cause themselves harm off medications? I've seen my relatives who fight taking medication do things like jump off buildings thinking they could fly. I've seen them destroy their lives and their relationships with their families. And I've seen my relatives with similar issues who take their medications lead healthy lives and maintain their relationships.
>
> It's easy enough for me to dismiss hyperbole. There are members of my family for whom such hyperbole would encourage their own desires to go off medications, their own wishes that faith could be enough, and their own fears about people trying to harm them.
>
> If anyone were to go off their medications, and think they could fly, or go off their medications and destroy their relationships with their family, based on posts like this, would you feel any guilt at all?
>
> It's easy to say that you have the way to peace and happiness without medication. Several of my relatives also had that faith in God. A legitimate and good faith that could be extremely beneficial in their lives. But they forgot that God has many ways to help people. As the old story goes...
>
> There was a man sitting on top of a roof with the flood waters rising. A couple of boats came by, but he waved them on saying that God would provide. A helicopter came by and he refused help, saying God would provide. The floodwaters rose and he drowned. He asked God why he hadn't provided, and God answered "I sent you two boats and a helicopter. You refused them."
>
> Medications can be a helicopter for some people, a life raft for others, and for some they can be a weight around the ankle. To make blanket statements about medications causing death is as dangerous as blanket statements about medications curing all. With God's grace, man has the intelligence and resourcefulness to create tools. We need to use them responsibly and wisely. Don't scare people away from a lifeboat, just to warn people of the dangers of unneeded medications.
>
> Moreover, remember YMMV. What works for you may not work for everyone. What works for you may not work for the people around you. Please be respectful of that while trying to alert people of possible dangers.D,
You wrote,[...does it ever occure to you...frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them...?]
You now, I have been writing here that going off these meds could cause a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves.
Now I do not want poeple here to be mislead into thinking faslsely about me here.
But what I do want to post about here is how one can have a way out of the situation where they could think that the drugs could kill them and want off of them and know that a withdrawal could happen and suicide ideation could also be part of that. But because of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung, those people that would like to know what I know are not supported but denied the opportuity to make up their own mind since they do not have my support and education being allowed to be offered here, which could be an indoctrination by the administration here, for I am prohibited here from posting what has been revealed to me from a Jewish perspective that INHHHO could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and lead people to a new life, free from addiction and depression.
So if one responds, even by being frightened of death from the drugs, to that the drugs could be causing their condition and want a way out, they could know from my posts that there could be a way out, there could be a new life, there could be a new heart, a new spirit and they could sing a new song, a song of joy, a song of life, and leave behind the old things of depression and addiction.
Lou
Posted by SLS on October 13, 2012, at 5:33:18
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 13:45:04
> > I have seen many members die here from the drugs.
> Why do you not provide statistics here?
>
> How many is "many"?
>
> We are, of course, talking about the sampling of members of the Psycho-Babble posting community.
>
> I think it is incumbent upon you to produce a sum and perhaps even examples by providing the posting names of those who you know to have died as a result of taking drugs. You will also need to describe the methodology by which you come to your conclusions regarding the cause of death of those people you refer to.
>
> If you cannot produce the information requested above, I offer the suggestion that you desist posting about death due to drugs until you can.
How are you coming along?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 6:32:56
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:41:32
> > Lou, as someone from a family with a history of mental illness, and someone who has seen the results of brain based mental illness not being adequately treated, does it ever occur to you that if you do manage to frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them? Does it occur to you that someone who is ill enough to take your death-o-meter seriously enough to stop their medications may be ill enough to cause themselves harm off medications? I've seen my relatives who fight taking medication do things like jump off buildings thinking they could fly. I've seen them destroy their lives and their relationships with their families. And I've seen my relatives with similar issues who take their medications lead healthy lives and maintain their relationships.
> >
> > It's easy enough for me to dismiss hyperbole. There are members of my family for whom such hyperbole would encourage their own desires to go off medications, their own wishes that faith could be enough, and their own fears about people trying to harm them.
> >
> > If anyone were to go off their medications, and think they could fly, or go off their medications and destroy their relationships with their family, based on posts like this, would you feel any guilt at all?
> >
> > It's easy to say that you have the way to peace and happiness without medication. Several of my relatives also had that faith in God. A legitimate and good faith that could be extremely beneficial in their lives. But they forgot that God has many ways to help people. As the old story goes...
> >
> > There was a man sitting on top of a roof with the flood waters rising. A couple of boats came by, but he waved them on saying that God would provide. A helicopter came by and he refused help, saying God would provide. The floodwaters rose and he drowned. He asked God why he hadn't provided, and God answered "I sent you two boats and a helicopter. You refused them."
> >
> > Medications can be a helicopter for some people, a life raft for others, and for some they can be a weight around the ankle. To make blanket statements about medications causing death is as dangerous as blanket statements about medications curing all. With God's grace, man has the intelligence and resourcefulness to create tools. We need to use them responsibly and wisely. Don't scare people away from a lifeboat, just to warn people of the dangers of unneeded medications.
> >
> > Moreover, remember YMMV. What works for you may not work for everyone. What works for you may not work for the people around you. Please be respectful of that while trying to alert people of possible dangers.
>
> D,
> You wrote,[...does it ever occure to you...frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them...?]
> You now, I have been writing here that going off these meds could cause a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves.
> Now I do not want poeple here to be mislead into thinking faslsely about me here.
> But what I do want to post about here is how one can have a way out of the situation where they could think that the drugs could kill them and want off of them and know that a withdrawal could happen and suicide ideation could also be part of that. But because of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung, those people that would like to know what I know are not supported but denied the opportuity to make up their own mind since they do not have my support and education being allowed to be offered here, which could be an indoctrination by the administration here, for I am prohibited here from posting what has been revealed to me from a Jewish perspective that INHHHO could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and lead people to a new life, free from addiction and depression.
> So if one responds, even by being frightened of death from the drugs, to that the drugs could be causing their condition and want a way out, they could know from my posts that there could be a way out, there could be a new life, there could be a new heart, a new spirit and they could sing a new song, a song of joy, a song of life, and leave behind the old things of depression and addiction.
> LouFriends,
You may want to know ow these statistics are obtained by me. There are many sources that are accredited that get their statistics from the FDA and other agencies. I use these and other sources to arrive at my numbers, they are not made up.
Now for those that want to dispute the statistics from the FDA, they can do that with them, not me. For instance, here is one of the statistics that I use to compute the probability of death from a drug.
Notice that the number for death is over 4%. But that is only one statistic that I use. By combining other data, I can come up with the chances of your death from these drugs. And chances are your chances are, could be very good.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/suicidal+ideation
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 8:42:39
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:22:22
> > > > > Friends
> > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
>
> Friends,
> Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> Lou
> To see this video,
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]Friends,
One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
Posted by SLS on October 13, 2012, at 9:55:14
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 8:42:39
Lou Pilder:
You trust who you trust. That is a personal decision. Personally, I don't trust eHealthme or the singular instance that someone from the Mayo Clinic cited them as a source of a single statistic. I looked into it. I challenge you to produce evidence that The Mayo Clinic in any way endorses eHealthme as a source of information. I think the author of that one article was foolish to use eHealthme as a source. This is just my opinion.
Regarding the statistics I asked for, I now petition you yet again to produce the number of people on Psycho-Babble who have died from drugs, and describe your procedure for determining the cause of death of these "many" people that you refer to.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20121009/msgs/1028438.html
Let us see if you can substantiate your claims regarding Psycho-Babble using facts. I can think of two people who have lost their battle with mental illness here. I find that to be an astonishingly low number considering the rate of suicide in the general population. My guess is that the education and support that people on Psycho-Babble afford each other is responsible for this low incidence of death.
:-)
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 17:50:08
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 8:42:39
> > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> >
> > Friends,
> > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > Lou
> > To see this video,
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
>
> Friends,
> One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/deathFriends,
There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
Here is another link;
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 18:04:40
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 17:50:08
> > > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > > Lou
> > > To see this video,
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
> >
> > Friends,
> > One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> > Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
>
> Friends,
> There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
> http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
> Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
> Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
> Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
> Here is another link;
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
>Friends,
Now here comes some ways that I compute the chances of death. for instance, in the Risperdal stat, which is over 4%, we have the following reasoning depicted by ehealthme. But it is much more than that. Another aspect that I use is if the member is advised to swith their drug . And then does the member have the way to by-pass the psychiatrist/doctor/prescriber and take the advised drug behind the prescriber's back. Now if the psychiatrist/prescriber is doing what is right in relation to giving drugs, then could not one telling the prescriber that they want another drug lead the prescriber to think that they are a bozo for not issueing the drug in the first place? Can you not see that there is a danger here by people advising others to take a drug that is not prescribed to the other? And could not death result if the person skips their doctor's visit to get a prescription for the drug? And could not a case be made to arrest the advisor if the other member dies from the drug advised to take? Maybe that person is allergic to the advised drug and dies from one pill.
Here is another link
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/paxil/death
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