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Posted by bleauberry on April 14, 2012, at 17:52:41
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis » bleauberry, posted by SLS on April 14, 2012, at 6:25:12
Scott you asked some great questions I wish I knew the answers to all of them I don't. Strains highest in THC are generally sativa or sativa dominant hybrids. Weird thing though Scott, a doc once prescribed for me the pharmaceutical prescription THC pill for appetite stimulation and there was no psychoactive effect at all. So I dunno, it's probably a complicated interplay of ingredients that determines the outcome I would guess. I'm aware studies have looked at a possible relationship between chronic usage causing psychosis or chronic usage causing depression. I don't think it is as correlated as they tend to present it but, and actually I don't buy the premise at all, just being polite, but not being real familiar with all of the studies I don't know. As to how do we know when someone smoked too much, well, how do we know when someone drank too much? I mean, you just know. Any psychoactive substance taken in excess is going to do something undesired I think. Medical marijuana MDs teach patients how to dose properly, which usually involves lower doses than people use recreationally. Any bizarre undesired effects simply means the dose was too high. When dosed too high it can make symptoms worse instead of better. I'm sure every person is different. As with most herbal medicines, the primary ingredient within the whole is usually more broadly and potently effective than the isolated ingredient by itself.
> > > > Second, it was probably not an Indica dominant strain....those are the ones with the relaxation/antianxiety/sedation.
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> > > How do the various strains differ with respect to the concentration of THC?
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> > The concentration os THC is a factor of genetics and growing conditions, but primarily in the genetics. Whether a plant is from the indica family or the sativa family isn't that much of a factor, sort of.... Indica plants are high in other active chemicals such as CBN and CBD. Those are two variations of the multiple different types of cannibinoids in the plant. Most people assume THC is the active chemical but it alone is not....it's the interaction and ratio relationship to the other cannibinoids that determines the effect of the plant....whether it will be psychoactive in a stimulating way, psychoactive in a sedative way, pain relieving, whatever. Some of the cannibinoids actually counter the psychoactive effects of THC, and those plants are especially useful for pain/anxiety.
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> Yes. I am aware of this. THC and cannabidiol have opposite effects in the brain. I was hoping you could tell me which strains are highest and lowest in THC. THC seems to be the substance that is psychotomimetic.
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> > I've had periods of being both on and off marijuana for long stretches over my life and like the other poster said, I have never heard of or encountered a psychotic episode from the plant.
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> Well, I've tried the stuff, too, and I was put off to it because of the way it warped my sense of reality. I would hate to get stuck in that altered state of consciousness. I might represent the minority in this respect. However, that it happens at all is disturbing to me.
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> Does THC produce psychosis? Does THC hasten the onset of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia? There is a lot of science out there that says yes to these questions. Are all of these studies an artifact of some sort of conspiracy? I really don't know. I haven't researched the matter well enough to develop an opinion on this. However, one can certainly find enough published material to work with.
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> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=cannabis%20psychosis
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> http://search.medscape.com/news-search;jsessionid=E791F60F00F215B446383BC3FBE230D0?newSearch=1&queryText=cannabis+psychosis
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> What does it mean to say that one can "smoke too much"? What are the consequences of smoking too much? What happens? It seems to me that to say this is just a convenient way out of admitting that THC is psychotomimetic.
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> I wish people would lobby for the identification and extraction of the therapeutic substances contained in marijuana and not advocate to distribute a substance containing THC.
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> - Scott
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2012, at 19:25:25
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by bleauberry on April 14, 2012, at 17:52:41
I just remember one time in 30's some guy I knew I was at his home waiting to go on a date. He offered a beer I accepted, then he asked if wanted to smoke pot. Since never had before he showed me how to do it. Only let me take three puffs, hits whatever and I had had three beers. Now in no way was I ever attracted to this man. But he asked me to dance and his hands were the most sensual feeling I'd ever experienced before. Somehow managed to think no I do not want to be romantic with this man. Got in car and felt like I was flying in an airplane and flew home. Went to sleep. Next morning taught an Aerobics class and nothing at all bothered me was so relaxed. Then went into another State taught another class same feeling, that night taught another and in the middle of the class felt like slam I entered the earth again. So whatever it was boy it was rather scarey after it left my system over 24 hours later. Never smoked it again. Someone said it must have been laced with something. I just know for me it was scarey that something could do this to me. Phillipa
Posted by phidippus on April 14, 2012, at 21:07:49
In reply to Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 12, 2012, at 15:48:29
I thought drugs didn't effect you.
Eric
Posted by Brainbeard on April 15, 2012, at 2:14:26
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis » rjlockhart04-08, posted by phidippus on April 14, 2012, at 21:07:49
'The Good Drug Guide' by David Pearce is enlightening on the subject. Two negative side-effects of cannabis use haven't yet been mentioned in this thread: the apathy and lethargy that follow (heavy) use the next day; and the increased vulnerability to stress when sober (see biochemical reasons for this below). Demonizing cannabis is no good, but naively seeing it as Mother Nature's product that is inherently harmless is no good either.
' By contrast to today's opioids, marijuana isn't usually addictive in the traditional sense of the term. It can still be habit-forming. Marijuana has euphoriant, psychedelic and sedative properties. Experiments with stoned rats suggest that cannabis use reduces the amount of corticotrophin-releasing factor (CRF) in the amygdala. Excess secretion of CRF is associated with abnormalities in the HPLA axis and depression. The rebound surge of CRF on ceasing cannabis-use correlates with increased vulnerability to stress and a withdrawal-reaction, arguably one good reason not to stop in the first instance. Stress-induced endocannabinoid deficit in the brain may induce melancholic depression in users and non-users alike. A dysfunctional response to stress, linked to a chronically overactive HPLA axis, causes anxiety disorders and depression; CRH-type 1 receptor antagonists like antalarmin are being investigated as potential anxiolytics and antidepressants. The deeper roots of our malaise lie buried in the evolutionary past.
The primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana is THC, tetrahydrocannabinol. Smoking or eating marijuana and its complex cocktail of compounds may rarely trigger episodes of depersonalisation, derealisation and psychosis. Sometimes it can induce paranoia, particularly in advocates of The War Against Drugs. More commonly, marijuana just leaves the user pleasantly and harmlessly stoned. It's fun. Sleepiness, pain-relief and euphoria are typical responses. Cannabinoid CB(1) receptor agonists are potential antidepressants. Indeed cannabinoids may be neuroprotective against the effects of stress. Conversely, cannabinoid CB(1) receptor antagonists/inverse agonists, like the new EC-licensed diet-drug rimonabant (Acomplia), may cause depression and anxiety. Indeed the first brain-derived substance found to bind to our cannabis receptors was christened "anandamide", a derivative of the Sanskrit word for internal contentment. Getting high may thus serve as an innocent recreational pastime in an uncaring world.
Yet marijuana is not a wonderdrug. Cognitive function in the user is often impaired, albeit moderately and reversibly. Marijuana interferes with memory-formation by disrupting long-term potentiation in the hippocampus. One of the functions of endogenous cannabinoids in the brain is to promote selective short-term amnesia. Forgetting is not, as one might have supposed, a purely passive process. Either way, choosing deliberately to ingest an amnestic agent for long periods is scarcely an ideal life-strategy. It's especially flawed given the centrality of memory to human self-identity. Some artists and professional bohemians, it is true, apparently do find smoking grass an adjunct to creative thought. For persons of a more philistine temperament, on the other hand, it's hard to see such a drug as a major tool for life-affirmation or the development of the human species. This shortcoming does not, one ought scarcely need to add, suggest marijuana users should be persecuted and criminalised. Indeed the marijuana compound THC may actually be superior to commercially licensed products at blocking the formation of mind-rotting amyloid plaques of the memory-destroying Alzheimer's disease.'.
Posted by Brainbeard on April 15, 2012, at 2:15:08
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by Brainbeard on April 15, 2012, at 2:14:26
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 15, 2012, at 4:09:59
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis » rjlockhart04-08, posted by phidippus on April 14, 2012, at 21:07:49
It's only when its ingested by mouth, not smoked or aka inhaled. Something not right with my absorbation.
Posted by Brainbeard on April 15, 2012, at 6:20:12
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 15, 2012, at 4:09:59
That's interesting, since the oral route yields a higher production of the psychoactive 11-hydroxy-THC metabolite. Anecdotal evidence suggests that some people get very trippy on taking cannabis orally. For me, eating spacecake usually yields a strong but calm, pleasant high, where marijuana-cake is more trippy and fanciful while hash-cake gives me such a clear high that sometimes I don't even notice I am high.
One downside of eating (or drinking) cannabis is that it can hit you harder than you want it to, without having much control over it once it's too late (eating lots of sugar is said to help one get grounded again). When smoked or, preferably of course, vaporized, the results are almost instant and one can stop as soon as one notices one has had enough.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on April 19, 2012, at 11:33:36
In reply to Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 12, 2012, at 15:48:29
> I have to say this is not going to make alot of sense but I smoked some cannibis and it had a reverse effect on my mind that has still altered my mind, till this point. I smoked some thinking it would calm me down, and in a few minutues I was started to feel feelings of disorientation, confusion, and detachment from reality and intense adrenaline releasing because I felt that I had lost perception of reality and it felt vary much like a lucid dream. I started making random comments my whole life because I was at a party and I flipped and all I did was talk about bizarre things to people during the expiernice of random memories of my whole life. Before I have been much time in distress and crying to angelic forces by writing in it in direct words in my Journal and placed it upon my alter to the God of Israel, to to tell God to please send me a messanger, or a spirutal guide and during the awful time I had no one to tell the spiritual distess I was in. Your not going to believe this, and I assure you that this was not made up, but while I was laying awake Lucifer began to speak through this state of being in and out of consiousness that he heard my letter and came to me first, and told me that God sits there and does nothing. Seriously I have nothing to offer these entities, I don't have a job, I am slightly impaired in somethings that I do, and I don't have any charasterics that would attract anyone to be intrested in me. And still to this point I am trying to reason with myself, that the spirutual world doesnt exist and its all based upon mental imagninations. I just repeatedly feel that during that time I was disconnected from reality from the cannabis it litterly caused me to not feel real at all much like lucid dreaming, and It took me states of reality I have never been before and still I am in great doubt that any of this spiritual stuff is real, and really I want to believe that this is a delusion and all I need to do is get back to reality. I still cannot get the figure if all this is not real, I've had similar expieriences before and I made a fool out of myself by telling the imaginations of my mind that I thought where "devine" messages. Seriously I am aware this can happen, but what can I do from this point on?
I have what may be called psychotic episodes with cannabis. It is not all the time, it just depends on the situation.
I smoke it to help manage pain and spasms that I coincidentally, developed while taking psychiatric drugs. I was not smoking cannabis when I developed the muscle spasms. I also had psychotic episodes during the time that I was taking psychiatric medications.
I have to admit that, I often don't enjoy the "being high" part of smoking cannabis, sometimes I do though.
I almost ALWAYS enjoy the part of "coming down" after smoking cannabis. Most often my mind and body is relaxed and pain is lessened as well as my muscle spasms.
The "coming down" part is what I seek most after smoking cannabis, to help with the medical issues that trouble me.
My body and mind are much more at ease after coming down from smoking cannabis. I have found that, I get an even better body effect after eating cannabis. The problem that I have found is, that is more difficult to monitor the dose especially if the edibles were not prepared by me.
It is a difficult position for me because I thoroughly enjoy the after effects of cannabis use. The psychotic part is mostly uncomfortable.
It is often in sheer desperation that I turn to cannabis to help me deal with pain and spasms that
plague me. I don't feel as lethargic or "medicated" after smoking cannabis as compared to pharmaceuticals.That's my two cents.
Regards
Posted by Chris O on April 19, 2012, at 23:00:15
In reply to Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 12, 2012, at 15:48:29
Rich:
In my mental health situation (major clinical anxiety disorder), marijuana has been totally paranoia-anxiety-psychosis activating, not calming. I'm in my mid-40s now, but tried marijuana several times in my late teens/early twenties. Always the same experience: Panic, paranoia, worrying that my deepest fears were just about to come true. Disassociation from reality and a feeling that I was going to detach from myself. Everyone around me laughing and having a good time. Really annoying. Hope you're feeling better after this experience, that its effects are going away.
Chris
Posted by Mistermindmasta on April 22, 2012, at 16:01:19
In reply to Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 12, 2012, at 15:48:29
I havent posted on here in forever, but I have something to say elsewhere so I figure Ill comment quickly on this. Cannibis ABSOLUTELY can cause the symptoms you are describing. One of the other comments here said something like "i have never experienced an episode of psychosis from cannibis, it must be something else"... well I can tell you that 50% of the time I smoked weed (out of probably ~ 30 times total), I had a bit of a freak out. Some more than others. But I can definitely relate to how you were feeling! My solution?? DON'T SMOKE ANYMORE!!! Weed is not that important. It can relax some, but the freak outs are not worth it, to me at least. Ive had times where I felt lost in some alternate reality and wasn't sure if I'd ever recover. Some sort of quasi-psychotic/anxiety attack episode. This type of thing isn't that uncommon. Many people experience paranois/anxiety from smoking, and if you take that to the extreme, you have something similar to what you describe.
IMO, weed and alcohol are especially bad for all psychological disorders... I'd choose to abuse other drugs before those 2, if I had the choice (not that I'm recommending that of course). But, bottom line, weed is a weird drug and can do very weird things to a subset of people. Take it easy man, you'll be fine, just don't smoke unless you're ready for feeling the same thing again.
> I have to say this is not going to make alot of sense but I smoked some cannibis and it had a reverse effect on my mind that has still altered my mind, till this point. I smoked some thinking it would calm me down, and in a few minutues I was started to feel feelings of disorientation, confusion, and detachment from reality and intense adrenaline releasing because I felt that I had lost perception of reality and it felt vary much like a lucid dream. I started making random comments my whole life because I was at a party and I flipped and all I did was talk about bizarre things to people during the expiernice of random memories of my whole life. Before I have been much time in distress and crying to angelic forces by writing in it in direct words in my Journal and placed it upon my alter to the God of Israel, to to tell God to please send me a messanger, or a spirutal guide and during the awful time I had no one to tell the spiritual distess I was in. Your not going to believe this, and I assure you that this was not made up, but while I was laying awake Lucifer began to speak through this state of being in and out of consiousness that he heard my letter and came to me first, and told me that God sits there and does nothing. Seriously I have nothing to offer these entities, I don't have a job, I am slightly impaired in somethings that I do, and I don't have any charasterics that would attract anyone to be intrested in me. And still to this point I am trying to reason with myself, that the spirutual world doesnt exist and its all based upon mental imagninations. I just repeatedly feel that during that time I was disconnected from reality from the cannabis it litterly caused me to not feel real at all much like lucid dreaming, and It took me states of reality I have never been before and still I am in great doubt that any of this spiritual stuff is real, and really I want to believe that this is a delusion and all I need to do is get back to reality. I still cannot get the figure if all this is not real, I've had similar expieriences before and I made a fool out of myself by telling the imaginations of my mind that I thought where "devine" messages. Seriously I am aware this can happen, but what can I do from this point on?
Posted by Mistermindmasta on April 22, 2012, at 16:05:32
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 14, 2012, at 11:37:25
One other thing relating to what you said below...
I too have experienced times where weed was 100% calming and awesome, while other times I experienced total freakouts. It all depended on my state of mind at that particular point in time. When I was feeling more anxiety as whole prior to smoking, that would be the times where the freakouts would occur. Often accompanied by a ton of social anxiety and feeling like every decision I ever made was a completely terrible decision and that I've been crazy all along and never knew it, etc. While on the other hand, I've had times where it made me incredibly relaxed and disinhibited and just feeling great.
I think those opposite effects and unpredictability come from the inherent mix of chemicals in weed. For me, each time I smoked was a completely different experience, in every possible way.
So I just stopped smoking... I got sick of not knowing if I'd have a dissociative panic attack or feel totally awesome.
> I have to say, that the place I was at they had thought I had taken another substance because they said we have never seen this happen before, and when I was in this state I kept saying this is suppost to calm me down. It was derealization and detachment with random thoughts that made no sense. And I had admit, I've done methamphetamine and cocaine with no issues expect my heart beating really fast, none of this mind serperation. But I have to say that it opened my mind and I did have personality changes such has making jokes and being funny, usally I am frozen and stay quiet. Anyways, I just know that I am going to have avoid this in the future.
Posted by gman22 on April 22, 2012, at 21:00:00
In reply to Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 12, 2012, at 15:48:29
The people who say that pot can't exacerbate psychiatric problems are completely biased and out of touch. There is overwhelming evidence to the contrary actually. I'm not saying people don't have a right to do it, but the effects can vary greatly from one individual to the next. The people who said that they know thousands of chronic users that never had an issue are using faulty logic. Those heavy users obviously don't have bad reactions to it, otherwise they wouldn't be still using it. Their group is pre-selected. People that have psychiatric reactions are very unlikely to become long term users. This is the same thing as me saying I know hundreds of cigarette smokers but none of them has ever developed lung cancer, so therefor tobacco is not carcinogenic. I personally believe that indicas are much better for susceptible people, and sativas can wreak havoc in those same folks...just my 2 cents.
Posted by sigismund on April 23, 2012, at 2:58:17
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by gman22 on April 22, 2012, at 21:00:00
Some people should never touch it.
But you don't know that until you do.
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 6:06:33
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by gman22 on April 22, 2012, at 21:00:00
> The people who say that pot can't exacerbate psychiatric problems are completely biased and out of touch. There is overwhelming evidence to the contrary actually. I'm not saying people don't have a right to do it, but the effects can vary greatly from one individual to the next. The people who said that they know thousands of chronic users that never had an issue are using faulty logic. Those heavy users obviously don't have bad reactions to it, otherwise they wouldn't be still using it. Their group is pre-selected. People that have psychiatric reactions are very unlikely to become long term users. This is the same thing as me saying I know hundreds of cigarette smokers but none of them has ever developed lung cancer, so therefor tobacco is not carcinogenic. I personally believe that indicas are much better for susceptible people, and sativas can wreak havoc in those same folks...just my 2 cents.
This is a very sober post. I agree with you.
This is not an all-or-nothing issue. Smoking pot is helpful and enjoyable for some people and psychotomimetic for others.
- Scott
Posted by Vincent_QC on April 23, 2012, at 9:15:09
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis » gman22, posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 6:06:33
> > The people who say that pot can't exacerbate psychiatric problems are completely biased and out of touch. There is overwhelming evidence to the contrary actually. I'm not saying people don't have a right to do it, but the effects can vary greatly from one individual to the next. The people who said that they know thousands of chronic users that never had an issue are using faulty logic. Those heavy users obviously don't have bad reactions to it, otherwise they wouldn't be still using it. Their group is pre-selected. People that have psychiatric reactions are very unlikely to become long term users. This is the same thing as me saying I know hundreds of cigarette smokers but none of them has ever developed lung cancer, so therefor tobacco is not carcinogenic. I personally believe that indicas are much better for susceptible people, and sativas can wreak havoc in those same folks...just my 2 cents.
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> This is a very sober post. I agree with you.
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> This is not an all-or-nothing issue. Smoking pot is helpful and enjoyable for some people and psychotomimetic for others.
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> - ScottI really agree with that... some peoples are predisipose to developp depression or anxiety disorders and I think that street drugs can trigger those problems...
I had my first panic attack, without knowing it was panic attack, when I was smooking weeds at 17 yo... I experienced panic all the time I was smooking weeds for 2 years...sometimes it was worse and sometimes was mild panic but never felt calm and happy after smooking weeds after my first panic attack...
As far as I know, my Doc told me it's one of the worse drug for peoples who are predispose to developp anxiety disorders... or psychiatric disorders... The good news is that I stop weeds at 19 yo cause of the panic attacks...I smoke weeds each day from 13 yo until 19 yo... most of the time before bedtime cause I had insmonia as a teen... and at school cause I wasn't able to deal with pressure and the others kids who was laughting at me...
I must admit that I was also doing a lot of PCP and LSD from 14 yo until 18 yo... had my usual LSD dose every week, friday evening most of the time and 2 caps at the time not one like the others... and PCP every 2 days... it was cheap drugs at the time...
Sometimes I wonder if the chemical drugs does something bad inside my brains so that's why i'm having severe anxiety now???
Oh, I remember that I try the Exctasy back in the summer of 2005... my anxiety was under control at the time... first time I try it I drink some beers with it and was ok, no anxiety or panic... but the second time I try it I took 2 puff of weeds and I had the worse badtrip of my life... 6 hours in a row of panic attacks non stop... having one panic attack after another one non stop for 6 hours wasnt funny and after I say no to street drugs! lol
I also took some Cocaine for a while in the 90's... never trigger panic...
Posted by Phil on April 23, 2012, at 13:10:11
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by Vincent_QC on April 23, 2012, at 9:15:09
Well, if this is happening I feel for the people that suffer. Whether it causes SZ or makes it appear sooner it's not a good thing.
There are studies that dispute these findings on the NORML site. Worth a look I think.
Big Pharm hates pot, it's stealing billions of $$ from them. Big Pharm funds many of these studies.
It's always wise to remain a bit skeptical in a world of smoke and mirrors.
Posted by Brainbeard on April 23, 2012, at 14:49:27
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by Phil on April 23, 2012, at 13:10:11
> Big Pharm hates pot, it's stealing billions of $$ from them. Big Pharm funds many of these studies.
> It's always wise to remain a bit skeptical in a world of smoke and mirrors.It's a fine line between being skeptical and being paranoid and biased. 'Big Pharm hates pot, it's stealing billions of $$ from them.'... There's not a shred of evidence for this, and it is based on the faulty assumption that pot is a cure-it-all. It is not. There are more than enough people who are using Big Pharma's meds AND pot. Pot is not a reasonable alternative for medications in most cases, were it only because it is hard to function in daily life while being high/stoned. It is a meaningful alternative to pain killers, yes, but all regular pain killers have expired patents so Big Pharma could care less.
Posted by Phil on April 23, 2012, at 18:23:15
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by Brainbeard on April 23, 2012, at 14:49:27
Maybe I should have said that BP has a vested interest in keeping pot illegal as they try to develop drugs from cannabis that they can sell. Any problem with that? It has been going on for a while now.
I'm biased but paranoid is a little much. I have nothing to gain or lose here. I'm pretty sure that no one is chasing me.
I just got out of therapy and it seems I'm not the only one living under a rock. My therapist has practiced for 30 years and he has never heard of the pot/SZ link. I'm not trying to make a point because he was very curious and made a note to research it. And as he knew a lot about the disease, he has not seen it in his practice.
We'll see what my psychiatrist has to say next week.
I assume he'll know about the studies but I'm curious to see if he has treated it in the 40 years he has practiced or if he knows anyone who has.Time article: note last paragraph.
Consequently, researchers who study the knotty relationship between drug use and schizophrenia hope that patients may one day benefit from cannabis-derived drugs. The key is to *replicate the antipsychotic properties of CBD without triggering the risks carried by THC*. But in the meantime, scientists are still trying to identify which patients, based on genes and family history, may be most helped by potential new pharmaceutical drugs and who may be spared harm by avoiding illicit drug use now.
***talk about a blockbuster drug!***http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2005559,00.html
There seems to be a lot of truth to the studies and I hope the smart people sort all of this out.
As for me, I haven't smoked in a while and side by side, I've taken way more psych meds than smoked pot. I've beat this to death. I'm even sick of me.
Posted by Brainbeard on April 24, 2012, at 2:34:20
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis » Brainbeard, posted by Phil on April 23, 2012, at 18:23:15
When you value one man's opinion or experience over all the available evidence, that doesn't seem very rational to me.
Yes, a synthetic cannabidiol-only drug would be fantastic and might become a top seller for Big Pharma. But cannabis is not a competitor for such a drug, precisely because cannabis will always contain tetrahydrocannabinol, which has psychotomimetic properties, wether or not your psychiatrist acknowledges it.
Posted by Phil on April 24, 2012, at 7:29:12
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis » Phil, posted by Brainbeard on April 24, 2012, at 2:34:20
I started Vyvanse recently and as someone here pointed out I seem to be hyper-focusing. Not only that, I seem to have turned into a jerk with fleeting episodes of bad judgement.
So, grain of salt and all that.
Posted by Alexei on April 24, 2012, at 10:27:06
In reply to Re: Brainbeard, posted by Phil on April 24, 2012, at 7:29:12
> I started Vyvanse recently and as someone here pointed out I seem to be hyper-focusing. Not only that, I seem to have turned into a jerk with fleeting episodes of bad judgement.
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> So, grain of salt and all that.Vyvanse has been a Godsend for me. Far superior to the Adderall it has replaced.
I wish you well with it.
Posted by Brainbeard on April 24, 2012, at 16:57:42
In reply to Re: Brainbeard, posted by Phil on April 24, 2012, at 7:29:12
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> So, grain of salt and all that.
Sounds like the right ingredient for a top-selling med! ;)
Posted by maoiuser on April 26, 2012, at 6:46:12
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by Phil on April 14, 2012, at 10:40:24
If I stop smoking cannibis, I get stressed, worried and just unhappy and these feelings do not generally go away even after a while of not touching it. If I haven't smoked in a while, my already existing symptoms get worse upon starting it again. After a while smoking it regularly (almost four times a day), my stress, worries and unhappiness disappears but I also develop the well know amotivational syndrome. I finally quit it again and the cycle repeats.
I do not even know if I need cannibis or if I should stay away from it. As my name implies, I am already on a very powerful medicine which has weight gain issues and adding cannibis to it makes my weight gain a lot worse.
Posted by SLS on April 26, 2012, at 7:02:37
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis, posted by maoiuser on April 26, 2012, at 6:46:12
> If I stop smoking cannibis, I get stressed, worried and just unhappy and these feelings do not generally go away even after a while of not touching it. If I haven't smoked in a while, my already existing symptoms get worse upon starting it again. After a while smoking it regularly (almost four times a day), my stress, worries and unhappiness disappears but I also develop the well know amotivational syndrome. I finally quit it again and the cycle repeats.
> I do not even know if I need cannibis or if I should stay away from it. As my name implies, I am already on a very powerful medicine which has weight gain issues and adding cannibis to it makes my weight gain a lot worse.Perhaps you can look for those strains of cannabis that contain a minimum amount of THC and thus retain the calming effect without the appetite stimulation. Cannabidiol can antagonize THC and reduce appetite.
http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v35/n9/full/npp201058a.html
- Scott
Posted by maoiuser on April 26, 2012, at 11:15:50
In reply to Re: Psychosis from Cannibis » maoiuser, posted by SLS on April 26, 2012, at 7:02:37
Marijuana is contradicted for me when it comes to social anxiety but it eliminated any residual generalized anxiety, depression and other obsessive symptoms. I have tried all strains through local dispensaries. I notice that if i consume the sativa dominant strains, I do very well when I am with friends as I am not usually worried about life stressors but it makes my social anxiety worse with strangers. On the other hand I experience some lingering symptoms of generalized anxiety and depression if I do not consume it. I get a very intense and not a very enjoyable experience with vaporizers or water pipes but if i smoke it through a marijuana cigerette it is a lot different and pleasant. Indica strains work a lot better when I am alone. If I am about to go meet strangers I have to stay away from marijuana as it increases my social anxiety ten folds in social situations despite being on MAOI.
during my short experience with parnate, I could not sleep and had to rely on marijuana. i have had terrible experiences with benzos or other sleep aids and even gabaergic drugs like lyrics as well as with other antihistamines like serequel. With nardil I do not stay up for four days but I still have excessive sleep disturbances and marijuana doesnt seem to help much.
marijuana can be very habit forming but breaking the habit is not that hard but then I am faced with the dilemma where I have to deal with some of my depressive and anxiety symptoms (although not as much as I would have if I was not taking MAOIs). I would choose to consume marijuana if it did not make me ... in plain words... lazy and even more hungry.
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