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Posted by zonked on July 6, 2011, at 20:49:20
I feel bad for complaining because overall I am much improved. But I can no longer use doxylamine for insomnia, even at tiny doses I wake up with a nasty hangover. That first night must have been a fluke. The daytime nap thing is so so annoying, I feel like I must either drink excessive amounts of caffeine to avoid it, or give into it. If I give in, I wake up really kinda depressed, anxious, sluggish, and cranky. Which makes me want to drink caffeine which... you get it. During my extended Nardil remission several years ago I was an energy drink addict. But the side effects didn't seem to bother me as much, probably because I had structure and purpose in life which I am now trying to regain. I am encouraged by jedi's remarks that the daytime nap thing went away. Jedi, if you see this, did you use caffeine UNTIL it went away or did you stop using caffeine and allow it to go away with time? Will likely be starting school soon, I hope this nap thing resolves. Another thing I have is the constant urge to pee at night. For whatever reason, I can't seem to empty my bladder at night enough before bed and have the urge to see all night. Usually I can't get myself to take care of business until morning though. Sorry to whine, I am still pleased I've had a response. -z
Posted by jedi on July 7, 2011, at 2:35:24
In reply to Nardil side effects, posted by zonked on July 6, 2011, at 20:49:20
Hi z,
Just saw this one, and have already taken my Benadryl. Hope I can be coherent. I always react with sleepiness to the histamine (H1) blockers. Good for me, I guess. I've used Traz, low dose Seroquel, and a variety of antihistamines plus clonazepam for Nardil insomnia.The Nardil afternoon tiredness was a b*tch! It does go away with time. I like brewed ice tea and used that instead of coffee some. I have used coffee too, put you can easily get your caffeine level up too high and add to the insomnia. Sometimes, I just took a nap; which also will add to the insomnia.
I usually get up once nightly to pee, but I blame that more on age (almost 54) and an enlarged prostate.
There are going to be some side effects my friend. Most will lessen with time. Thank God, 'cause I'm a lifer now!
Be well z,
Jedi
> I feel bad for complaining because overall I am much improved. But I can no longer use doxylamine for insomnia, even at tiny doses I wake up with a nasty hangover. That first night must have been a fluke. The daytime nap thing is so so annoying, I feel like I must either drink excessive amounts of caffeine to avoid it, or give into it. If I give in, I wake up really kinda depressed, anxious, sluggish, and cranky. Which makes me want to drink caffeine which... you get it. During my extended Nardil remission several years ago I was an energy drink addict. But the side effects didn't seem to bother me as much, probably because I had structure and purpose in life which I am now trying to regain. I am encouraged by jedi's remarks that the daytime nap thing went away. Jedi, if you see this, did you use caffeine UNTIL it went away or did you stop using caffeine and allow it to go away with time? Will likely be starting school soon, I hope this nap thing resolves. Another thing I have is the constant urge to pee at night. For whatever reason, I can't seem to empty my bladder at night enough before bed and have the urge to see all night. Usually I can't get myself to take care of business until morning though. Sorry to whine, I am still pleased I've had a response. -z
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on July 7, 2011, at 20:06:08
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects » zonked, posted by jedi on July 7, 2011, at 2:35:24
Ask your doctor for a script for Ambien or Restoril for sleep - neither of these should cause a hangover.
Try taking a NoDoz or Vivarin in the afternoon to ware off the need to nap - if you take it at say 2pm, it shouldnt interfear with your sleep that night.
Posted by zonked on July 7, 2011, at 20:08:05
In reply to Nardil side effects, posted by zonked on July 6, 2011, at 20:49:20
I made some changes which helped: no energy drinks, coffee when waking up only, diet soda sparingly, and green tea when I get home earlier than bedtime. Also no extended sitting and not even TOUCHING my bed before bedtime. No nasty crash. Man those energy drinks are harsh!
Posted by floatingbridge on July 8, 2011, at 7:59:05
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects better, posted by zonked on July 7, 2011, at 20:08:05
> I made some changes which helped: no energy drinks, coffee when waking up only, diet soda sparingly, and green tea when I get home earlier than bedtime. Also no extended sitting and not even TOUCHING my bed before bedtime. No nasty crash. Man those energy drinks are harsh!
Wow. This is good :-) I have trouble with the no touching the bed until bedtime thing.There's also the no screen time an hour
before bed rule. I can do that one, but it took my husband a few more years.Sometimes ear buds and ambient music at an almost inaudible volume helps me.
Oh, a little warm vanilla milk (silly, yes) and a few magnesium capsules.
Posted by Chris O on July 10, 2011, at 22:16:13
In reply to Nardil side effects, posted by zonked on July 6, 2011, at 20:49:20
Sorry for butting into the conversation, Chris here, from southern California. I am treatment resistant GAD/depression, have tried just about all the SSRIs (and a couple of the SNRIs) and I'm going to start Nardil next week. I'm kind of stressing about the dietary restrictions, and the possibility of a hypertensive crisis. I hear you guys talking about drinking a lot of coffee and tea to combat Nardil daytime tiredness. I, too, am a big tea drinker. But I thought those drinks, or those drinks in large amounts, were no-nos while on Nardil. Is that true? In your case(s), it sounds like no. And, I'm getting the idea from reading all the material on this website about the MAO-inhibitor diet, that no one really knows for certain how much tyramine is in any food at any given time, so, in essence, the whole thing is a crap shoot (though fortunately one that errs on the side of lower amounts of tyramine). Does that pretty much sum up your understanding too?
Posted by jedi on July 11, 2011, at 0:06:05
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects, posted by Chris O on July 10, 2011, at 22:16:13
It's not really a crap shoot. Over the years I've learned what my body can handle and what it can't. Coffee and tea in large quantities have never given me problems. I've been on Nardil for over a decade. Be careful starting out, but the old diet restrictions are overblown.
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http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010814/msgs/75408.htmlGood Luck and be careful,
Jedi> Sorry for butting into the conversation, Chris here, from southern California. I am treatment resistant GAD/depression, have tried just about all the SSRIs (and a couple of the SNRIs) and I'm going to start Nardil next week. I'm kind of stressing about the dietary restrictions, and the possibility of a hypertensive crisis. I hear you guys talking about drinking a lot of coffee and tea to combat Nardil daytime tiredness. I, too, am a big tea drinker. But I thought those drinks, or those drinks in large amounts, were no-nos while on Nardil. Is that true? In your case(s), it sounds like no. And, I'm getting the idea from reading all the material on this website about the MAO-inhibitor diet, that no one really knows for certain how much tyramine is in any food at any given time, so, in essence, the whole thing is a crap shoot (though fortunately one that errs on the side of lower amounts of tyramine). Does that pretty much sum up your understanding too?
Posted by zonked on July 11, 2011, at 10:34:55
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects, posted by Chris O on July 10, 2011, at 22:16:13
I can only echo what jedi said. individual sensitivities vary, but caffeine causes no blood pressure spikes for me. It does, however, cause a nasty crash Nardil or not. Good luck Chris, I would ask the pharmacy for the Gavis generic if possible, over the Greenstone or Pfizer.
Posted by Chris O on July 11, 2011, at 10:36:12
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects » Chris O, posted by jedi on July 11, 2011, at 0:06:05
Thanks for the information! I still have a lot of questions regarding the diet, but too much to go into here.
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