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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2011, at 16:52:42
Friends,
The following is an opportunity to learn about what could have the potential to save your life and/or to prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition.
There is a continuing unfolding of scientific evidence that taking psychotropic drugs, mind-altering drugs, could shorten one's life span and/or give the taker of those drugs a life-ruining condition, a condition that is not reversible, brain damage and other equivalent conditions.
You may not want to read further here and reject this opportunity if you are under the belief that your brian is low in the chemical in prozac or other chemicals and that you accept that you have a chemical imbalance and have to keep taking mind-altering drugs. You may also accept any of the following mind-sets to take drugs that can be mind-altering;
A. the benifits outweigh the risks
B. it is better for you to take these type of drugs than do nothing
C. that psychiary offers the drugs so it is OK to take them
D. other beliefs that you have to take mind-altering drugs
I tell you today, that my research shows that about 42,000 people died from psychotropic drugs in one way or another in the last year. This figure could be those that died in the U.S. If it is, then by interpolation, there could have been 500,000 people in the world that died from these drugs in the last year. This is what is goin' on. Death from these drugs will go up each year as long as more people take them. You see, my research shows that although 42,000 people died from these drugs in the last year, the year befor that was abouut 32,000 people that died and the year before that was about 30,000 people that died from these drugs. In the math here, we do not have what is known as an arithmetic progression, but a geometric progression. This means that the number of people that could die from these drugs next year could be 55,000 and the next year 75,000 and the next year 125,000 and so on so that millions of people could die from these drugs as long as people think that they have a chemical imbalance and that the drugs willl make them feel good. They might for a while, but is it just treating a symptom or getting to the cause, or the placebo effect? And if people are given another drug to treat an adverse reaction caused by the first drug, could not this just keep going on and on and on until the person dies from one of the drugs or a combination of the drugs? And now with psychiatrists combimning drugs, this is where the geometric aspect of the progresssion can accelerate. And then there is a formula for the sum of a geometric progression. This is where I can prdict in the math the aspect of millions of people killed by the drugs going forward. Will it be in a few years or 10 years that millions of people will die from these drugs? I can figure that out. You see, the formula is exponential. This means in the 10th yesr from now, the exponant is 9. Do you have any idea of what happens to a number when it is raised to the 9th power? Try and raise 10 to the 9th power and see.
Where will it ever end? When will it be that people think that too many people have died?
You see there are systems set in motion that could increase the number of people taking these mind-altering drugs. I'm talking about kids in the high schools taking speed and leptics given by the psych-docs. These can become addicts and have their minds alterd by the psych-drugs to want to kill themselves and/or others. Do the benefits outweigh the risks? Is taking these drugs better than doing something else?
Let me tell you about myself. I told this to doctorate students 35 years ago and they laughed at me when I told them that there would be kids with guns in the schools shooting at others and killing themselves. I do not have power to see the future but I knew what these mind-altering drugs could do then, and now there are cases after cases of killings in the schools by those on these drugs. I told them how the schools have the potential to foster this type of killing as to what the schools were doing and how the school could foster hate and suicide to those whose minds are alterd by drugs. I wrote a long thesis and when I read it to the group they ridiculed and taunted me and laughd at me. You see, there are aspects in a community that can trigger people to hate and want to kill and think that they are doing what will be good for the community as a whole. I am not permitted to post here what those historical aspects have been shown to be per a rule made to me here by Robert Hsiung, owner of this forum. A forum where the goal is education, but not the education that I could give you here that IMHHO could save your life. An now Robert Hsiung has made another rule to me that I can not even tell you where you can find this information outside of this forum.
Anyone's death here from these drugs will not have their blood be upon me, for I am trying to give you the education that could give you more information to make a more informed decision as to if you want to take these drugs or not.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 16, 2011, at 19:16:46
In reply to What's goin' on-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2011, at 16:52:42
Lou how can there be a special rule for you? Or is it the topic? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2011, at 19:43:09
In reply to Re: What's goin' on- » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 16, 2011, at 19:16:46
> Lou how can there be a special rule for you? Or is it the topic? Phillipa
Phillipa,
You wrote,[...how can there be...?]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answrs to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What part of the post by me that you are responding to, if any, is related to your questions?
B. Is your question to me a question that could be directed to the rule-drafter here?
C. other issues
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 16, 2011, at 21:45:14
In reply to Lou's reply-pstewpstan? » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2011, at 19:43:09
Lou seems that no one else on babble that I know of has contact with Bob are you friends, neighbors, or Bob himself? Just curious. Phillipa
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 16, 2011, at 22:12:46
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-pstewpstan? » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 16, 2011, at 21:45:14
Phillipa, don't mean to get into the middle of your conversation with Lou but he is not associated with Bob in any way. This forum is designed for information sharing, support, and discussing people's individual experiences in relation to depression/anxiety and treatment options. Lou has his own personal agenda that is in no way related to the intentions of this blog.
Posted by emilyp on March 17, 2011, at 0:07:30
In reply to What's goin' on-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2011, at 16:52:42
Lou
Are you a Scientologist? Are you a member of the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)? I am not being critical if you are. But it would just help to know your perspective when reading your messages that are so anti-drug.
Posted by Phillipa on March 17, 2011, at 0:12:48
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-pstewpstan?, posted by MatthewDavid on March 16, 2011, at 22:12:46
Known Lou for a long time years. So I know a bit about Lou. I like Lou. Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on March 17, 2011, at 1:39:49
In reply to Re: What's goin' on-, posted by emilyp on March 17, 2011, at 0:07:30
>Are you a member of the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)?
They were great in the cleanup after 30 odd people were killed and hundreds more damaged for life following deep sleep therapy at Chelsmford in Sydney.
It took years to get a royal commission and they were completely vindicated.
Harry Bailey the psychiatrist committed suicide leaving a note mentioning that the forces of darkness had won.
Posted by Christ_empowered on March 17, 2011, at 5:20:36
In reply to Re: What's goin' on-, posted by sigismund on March 17, 2011, at 1:39:49
When I had problems with shrinks behaving badly, I called the CCHR, and my life has been greatly improved ever since. Gotta love those people...I think they're still headed by Dr. Thomas Szasz.
Posted by B2Chica on March 17, 2011, at 8:07:10
In reply to What's goin' on-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2011, at 16:52:42
> Friends,
> The following is an opportunity to learn about what could have the potential to save your life and/or to prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition.
> There is a continuing unfolding of scientific evidence that taking psychotropic drugs, mind-altering drugs, could shorten one's life span and/or give the taker of those drugs a life-ruining condition, a condition that is not reversiblei already have a life ruining condition called psychotic depression.
and my shortened life, well i'll gladly deal with a few less years rather than dying next week. which is what i would do if i stopped my meds today.
it would take about a week for my condition to overpower me. and there is no doubt in my mind that i would take my life if i could not take my meds.
especially my psychotropic zyprexa :)
it is my saving med time and time again.
Posted by Phillipa on March 17, 2011, at 19:38:35
In reply to Re: What's goin' on-, posted by B2Chica on March 17, 2011, at 8:07:10
Please do not stop the zyprexa when you need to take. I do care for you. Like the benzos for me I'd go into a horrible withdrawal and seize from 41 years of taking them. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 17, 2011, at 19:50:05
In reply to Re: What's goin' on-, posted by emilyp on March 17, 2011, at 0:07:30
> Lou
>
> Are you a Scientologist? Are you a member of the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)? I am not being critical if you are. But it would just help to know your perspective when reading your messages that are so anti-drug.
em,
You wrote,[...you a Scientologist?...it would help to know your perspective...so anti-drug...].
I am not a member of Scientology or the CCHR.
I am unsure as to what perspective you are wanting to know about. If you could post here the perspective in question, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by sigismund on March 18, 2011, at 0:59:27
In reply to Lou's reply-cyntolo » emilyp, posted by Lou Pilder on March 17, 2011, at 19:50:05
>If you could post here the perspective in question
It's the Lou Pilder perspective.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 18, 2011, at 7:20:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-cyntolo, posted by sigismund on March 18, 2011, at 0:59:27
> >If you could post here the perspective in question
>
> It's the Lou Pilder perspective.Sigismund,
You wrote,[...perspective...]
Perspective about what?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 18, 2011, at 20:25:11
In reply to Lou's response-Luzpurpspek » sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on March 18, 2011, at 7:20:35
Lou medications and damage. Please tell again of your personal loss that happened to you do to meds. I do remember you once posting about it music? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 13:23:21
In reply to Re: Lou's response-Luzpurpspek » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 18, 2011, at 20:25:11
> Lou medications and damage. Please tell again of your personal loss that happened to you do to meds. I do remember you once posting about it music? Phillipa
Phillipa,
You wrote,[...medications and damage (your perspective)...].
My perspective is based on facts. These facts I can not post here per the directive made to me by Robert Hsiung, owner of ths forum. And there now is another directive to me that I am not to post here where one can find what I am directed to not post here.
These directives to me to not post could involve the Jewish perspective (and the post by Mr. Hsiung to me concerning that is a post that he has also made a rule that I can not post his post to me here to show you it) and the entire years of human history from 1922 to 1945 and years after that which could have outgrowths from what is in the years in question unless Mr. Hsiung responds to my requests to clarify what is outstanding. Until then, I can not post a full answer to your question to me here and be in compliance with Mr. Hsiung's posted directives to me here.
As to the consequences to others as a result of my not being allowed to post such, I think that some people that read this site could die and that Jews could become targets to murder by some people taking psychiatric mind-altering drugs that look into this site. I base this on facts that are evident and the historical record that Mr. Hsiung says that I am not allowed to post about here. The fact that my requests to the adminisstration are outstanding, some for days, some for weeks, some for months, some for years, could have the potential IMHHHO to give readers here the time needed to have the potential to accept what is in question as being what is good for the community as a whole, and supportive, and conducive to the welfare of the communty as a whole since Mr. Hsiung states that it is in his thinking that what he does will be good for he community as a whole, and that what is posted that is allowed could be thought to be supportive since he states that support takes precedence and that one match could cause a forest fire and that he does not wait to put out any uncivility.
Now I have an extensive knowledge of physiology and have studied how chemicals can cause nerves to be disrupted in their transmission of chemicals that could cause death and/or brain damage. The science of {nerve agents} started before WW2, but chemical companies use that science in ways to kill insects and rodents and parasites. The action of nerve agents may be unbeknownst to some here and I can not post here what these chemicals do without being in non-compliance with Mr. Hsiung's directive to me here. For instance, Prozac has a constituant of {flouride} in it. Flouride was used way before Prozac was made. Nardil has a constitant of hydazine in it. Hydrazine was used way before Nardil was made. Do you think that if what I would like to post here that is prohibited to post per the driective to me by the owner of this site could save lives or prevent one from receiving a life-ruing condition? If so, what could be the (redacted by respondent).
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2011, at 20:06:22
In reply to Lou's reply--kmuntighofdhthz » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 13:23:21
Lou just your own experiences with meds is all asking for. Phillipa
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 23, 2011, at 21:34:50
In reply to What's goin' on-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2011, at 16:52:42
You're on the wrong board Lou
"This is a message board for mutual support and education"
Try med-o-phobe.com or something
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 23, 2011, at 21:49:39
In reply to Psssst Lou-Wrong Board, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 23, 2011, at 21:34:50
Hi Elanor, I'm appreciated your post as I recommended the exact same thing to Lou, stated this forum was for support, questions, experiences, etc. not debating his topics of religion, anti meds, etc.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2011, at 11:18:01
In reply to Psssst Lou-Wrong Board, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 23, 2011, at 21:34:50
> You're on the wrong board Lou
>
> "This is a message board for mutual support and education"
>
> Try med-o-phobe.com or somethingER,
You wrote,[...You're on the wrong...support and education...Try med-o-phobe.com..]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting too mean here. If you could post answers to thhe following, then I could have the opportunity too respond accordingly.
A. What is your conception of (support)?
B. What are thw criteria, if any, that you use to determine if a post is or is not on the wrong board?
C. Could you post a link here of a post of mine that could qualify in relation to any criteria that you use to determine if my post is on the wrong board?
D. Is there a real site called {med-o-phobe.com}?
E. If not, what are you wanting to lead people to believe, if anything, from what you posted to me about {med-o-phobe.com}?
F other aspects
Lou
Posted by matthewdavid on March 24, 2011, at 12:16:42
In reply to Lou's requeo-phobest- » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2011, at 11:18:01
Lou,
You wrote "a bunch of nonsense". I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I left these questions to you as fill in the blank format
A. are you aware that you are ___________?
B. do you have any hobbies other than being an _________________?
C. ____________???
D. Are you aware that _______ member here has to read what I post?
E. Are you aware of your current ____________?
F. other aspects
MD
Posted by sigismund on March 25, 2011, at 23:20:52
In reply to Lou's requeo-phobest- » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2011, at 11:18:01
>D. Is there a real site called {med-o-phobe.com}?
I'm afraid not.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2011, at 23:45:17
In reply to Re: Lou's requeo-phobest- » Lou Pilder, posted by matthewdavid on March 24, 2011, at 12:16:42
> You wrote "a bunch of nonsense".
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 26, 2011, at 10:42:16
In reply to Re: please be civil » matthewdavid, posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2011, at 23:45:17
10-4
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