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Posted by Leon Ousby on September 21, 2010, at 17:08:55
Though Benzodiazepines do help some cases, these are highly addictive forms of medication and can cause the same implications that alcohol addiction can cause. Please be cafeful when taking these medications. Don't mix these meds with alcohol (Though people do).. The implications can ruin your lives. Take everything you have and destroy your working lives. It is extremely important to tell your GP that you may have of formed an addiction towards these types of medications. There are other ways of over coming all forms of disorders that these drugs are prescribed for. In some cases these drugs increase the symptoms themsselves. These drugs should not be stopped suddenly. Talk to your GP. If your GP refuses to listen. Take it further. This is you life.
Posted by Phillipa on September 21, 2010, at 17:16:23
In reply to Benzo Addictions, posted by Leon Ousby on September 21, 2010, at 17:08:55
After 40 years on low doses and still decreasing I haven't had this problem and at one time l5 years ago used to drink beer with them. But not a problem. I feel some have addictive personalities guess I don't. Others take for a while and wean off them. Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on September 21, 2010, at 19:13:03
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions » Leon Ousby, posted by Phillipa on September 21, 2010, at 17:16:23
>Though Benzodiazepines do help some cases, these >are highly addictive forms of medication and can >cause the same implications that alcohol >addiction can cause.
Sure...for some people.
>There are other ways of over coming all forms of >disorders that these drugs are prescribed for.
For some people.
Linkadge
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 22, 2010, at 14:33:29
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions, posted by linkadge on September 21, 2010, at 19:13:03
Actually for all people. The brain works the same regardless. It isn't advisable to drink alcohol with any prescribed medication. Medication simply masks the issues at hand surely. If you are happy to continue to be prescribed medication for life, so be it. These are only opinions. BUT and a big but... All addictions can be beaten. We see this everyday... sure its easy to pop a pill.. but that pill turns into two... then four etc... best wishes
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2010, at 20:43:59
In reply to Benzo Addictions, posted by Leon Ousby on September 21, 2010, at 17:08:55
> Though Benzodiazepines do help some cases, these are highly addictive forms of medication and can cause the same implications that alcohol addiction can cause. Please be cafeful when taking these medications. Don't mix these meds with alcohol (Though people do).. The implications can ruin your lives. Take everything you have and destroy your working lives. It is extremely important to tell your GP that you may have of formed an addiction towards these types of medications. There are other ways of over coming all forms of disorders that these drugs are prescribed for. In some cases these drugs increase the symptoms themsselves. These drugs should not be stopped suddenly. Talk to your GP. If your GP refuses to listen. Take it further. This is you life.
Hi Leon,
You wrote,[...highly addictive...can ruin your lives...other ways...].
I was addicted accidentally by being prescribed a BZD. I went through a horrific withdrawal. I also want to warn people of the potential addiction and life-ruining possibilities of BZDs and other mind-altering drugs. What are the other ways that you could post here?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on September 22, 2010, at 21:17:12
In reply to Lou's response-uhthrwaiz » Leon Ousby, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2010, at 20:43:59
Lou what benzo were you addicted to and what other meds and how did you withdraw. Today are you med free? Phillipa
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 23, 2010, at 3:25:33
In reply to Lou's response-uhthrwaiz » Leon Ousby, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2010, at 20:43:59
Hi Lou
Thank you for your post and your honesty. Getting off these short acting drugs is extremely hsrd. You are not alone here.. the withdrawls are terrorfying and life threatening. You did nothing wrong as you know. The GP that prescribed those types of medications to you has a duty of care, thats the problem, most GPs don't want to know that an addiction has set in. If you are still suffering from substance addiction.. speak to your GP. If he/she doesn't listen - Report on the basis of lack of DUTY of CARE. If you have kicked this awful ordeal by yourself you should be knighted.
Coming off Benzos
Vit B! (200mg aday)
B3, B4 and B12Excess water 3 litres a day...
If and when you experience a panic attack - Go for a jog at a normal pace this will match your mind and body's attack. (Fight or Flight)
Eat 3 regular meals. Prepare them as this changes your mind state.
Avoid Caffine - Only avoid.. There is nothing wrong with coffee.
Decrease you intake of Alcohol - If you can stop. Alcohol and Benzos work on the same principles.
With regards to herbal products, this I found didn't help. But, they could help some.
Avoid people that would want you to slip back into the old routine as it reminds them that they dont want to face the issue.
You do and most probably have but these addictions can be beaten and in a short period of tie.
The big one is and most people don't like it is regular cardio exercise. It may take two weeks but you will learn to love it.
Take the vits - If you crave Benzos, these cravings only last upto twenty minues...
Get on the phone to a good friend and talk about it, it will pass... within 72 hours the crucial stage of addiction will slowly disappear.. Never go back.. pass on your knowledge to others, help others, stop youngest from forming these life changing nightmares and remember everytime we take a tablet we are putting money into the pockets of the companies.
This is for those suffering from prescribed med addiction. Some medications do help dis-orders - but with diet, exercise and vits - you can get your life back to where it doesn't consist of when you are going to get your next pill or script....
If you really want to stop - Tell all the doctors you visit (Dr Shopping) to NOT prescribe those drugs. You may need to slowly reduce the intake as sudden stopping of any medication can be exremely life threatening. Your life can return to what it once was.
Please feel free to ask me anymore questions.
Thanks again Lou.... you're not alone and that is important and whats more you want change and that is the hardest step. Getting off the drug is a brease.
Regards
Leon Ousby
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 6:36:19
In reply to Re: Lou's response-uhthrwaiz, posted by Leon Ousby on September 23, 2010, at 3:25:33
> Hi Lou
>
> Thank you for your post and your honesty. Getting off these short acting drugs is extremely hsrd. You are not alone here.. the withdrawls are terrorfying and life threatening. You did nothing wrong as you know. The GP that prescribed those types of medications to you has a duty of care, thats the problem, most GPs don't want to know that an addiction has set in. If you are still suffering from substance addiction.. speak to your GP. If he/she doesn't listen - Report on the basis of lack of DUTY of CARE. If you have kicked this awful ordeal by yourself you should be knighted.
>
> Coming off Benzos
>
> Vit B! (200mg aday)
> B3, B4 and B12
>
> Excess water 3 litres a day...
>
> If and when you experience a panic attack - Go for a jog at a normal pace this will match your mind and body's attack. (Fight or Flight)
>
> Eat 3 regular meals. Prepare them as this changes your mind state.
>
> Avoid Caffine - Only avoid.. There is nothing wrong with coffee.
>
> Decrease you intake of Alcohol - If you can stop. Alcohol and Benzos work on the same principles.
>
> With regards to herbal products, this I found didn't help. But, they could help some.
>
> Avoid people that would want you to slip back into the old routine as it reminds them that they dont want to face the issue.
>
> You do and most probably have but these addictions can be beaten and in a short period of tie.
>
> The big one is and most people don't like it is regular cardio exercise. It may take two weeks but you will learn to love it.
>
> Take the vits - If you crave Benzos, these cravings only last upto twenty minues...
>
> Get on the phone to a good friend and talk about it, it will pass... within 72 hours the crucial stage of addiction will slowly disappear.. Never go back.. pass on your knowledge to others, help others, stop youngest from forming these life changing nightmares and remember everytime we take a tablet we are putting money into the pockets of the companies.
>
> This is for those suffering from prescribed med addiction. Some medications do help dis-orders - but with diet, exercise and vits - you can get your life back to where it doesn't consist of when you are going to get your next pill or script....
>
> If you really want to stop - Tell all the doctors you visit (Dr Shopping) to NOT prescribe those drugs. You may need to slowly reduce the intake as sudden stopping of any medication can be exremely life threatening. Your life can return to what it once was.
>
> Please feel free to ask me anymore questions.
>
> Thanks again Lou.... you're not alone and that is important and whats more you want change and that is the hardest step. Getting off the drug is a brease.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Leon OusbyLeon,
You wrote,[...if you...you should be knighted..]
I did overcome the withdrawal by divine accomplishment,so I can not take any honors.
Lou
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 23, 2010, at 13:19:05
In reply to Lou's reply-psirlouis » Leon Ousby, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 6:36:19
Hi Lou...
That is fantastic to hear... Sorry about my typos... I woke up at 630am, read your post and responded... As you could read, I wasn't really awake.. Please share your withdrawl breakthrough.. only if you wish...
Warm regards
Leon Ousby
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 16:57:34
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-psirlouis, posted by Leon Ousby on September 23, 2010, at 13:19:05
> Hi Lou...
>
> That is fantastic to hear... Sorry about my typos... I woke up at 630am, read your post and responded... As you could read, I wasn't really awake.. Please share your withdrawl breakthrough.. only if you wish...
>
> Warm regards
>
> Leon Ousby
>
> Leon,
You wrote,[...That is...please share...]
There is a time when one could be in the Heart of the Earth. I found myself there when I stopped the BZD and at that time thought that no human could endure such tribulation.
There was great fear. But then the Son of righteousness arose with healing in his wings.
Lou
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 23, 2010, at 17:19:13
In reply to Lou's reply-hrtovurth » Leon Ousby, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 16:57:34
Lou
A great response... A higher power is what has helped millions of people worldwide beat what appears at the most frightening time unbeatable....
Keep dancing my friend.
Leon
Posted by linkadge on September 25, 2010, at 14:40:48
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions, posted by Leon Ousby on September 22, 2010, at 14:33:29
>Actually for all people. The brain works the >same regardless.
Uh, actually no it doesn't. I've been on and off benzodiazapines so many times without any major difficulty whatsoever. I taper, like suggested and I find benzodiazapines highly effective.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on September 25, 2010, at 14:44:01
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions » Leon Ousby, posted by linkadge on September 25, 2010, at 14:40:48
Its just like how one person can have a few drinks with friends to relax, and not have any issues, wherase another takes one drink and lapses back into severe alcoholism.
Sure, the alcoholic will rant around about the evils of alcohol, but it simply isn't evil for everbody.
Linkadge
Posted by Maxime on September 25, 2010, at 15:53:41
In reply to Benzo Addictions, posted by Leon Ousby on September 21, 2010, at 17:08:55
I think sometimes when talking about benzos the word/association is "addicted". I think sometimes we are really talking about tolerance. And yes, tolerance can lead to addiction (i.e. taking more and more benzos). I was on 4 mg of Clonazepam at one point. It's because I would be on a dosage and then I became tolerant of that dosage and so it had to be increased (I am now on .5 mg). So I wasn't really addicted in the true sense of the world. For instance I wasn't counting down the minutes of when I got my next dosage.
So that's my view on benzos and addiction. :)
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 25, 2010, at 16:20:38
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions, posted by linkadge on September 25, 2010, at 14:44:01
Linkadge
I completely agree with... for some 1 drink is too many and 100 isn't enough...
Regards
My friend
Leon
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2010, at 16:25:15
In reply to Benzo Addictions, posted by Leon Ousby on September 21, 2010, at 17:08:55
Friends,
If you are considering posting in thiis thread oor if you are wanting to see reseach concerning benzodiazepines hat couldanswer some questions that are raised here, I am requesting that you read the following research report.
One aspect in the research is that the researcher found that there could be a delay in the withdrawal symptoms of 3 weeks.This could account for some poeple thinking that there is not a withdrawal if they are a person that takes three weeks for the withdrawal symptoms to appear and starts again the BZd before that time.
I have read of cases where the withdrawal is delayed for longer periods. When tha happens, it is possible then for the person experiancing withdrawal to think that what they are experiancing is somethibng other than that and reinstate that drug. Then when other drugs are involved, there could be other consequences, including death due to the combimnation of the drugs.
Lou
Here is a way to read the research article
A. pull up google
B. Type in:
[The Benzodiazepines-DR. Reg Peart]
The article that is on the top of the page when clicked on will say;
The Benzodiazepines Toxicity, Cognative Impairment, Long Term Damage..etc by Dr RF Peart Dec 2000
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 25, 2010, at 16:27:28
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions, posted by Maxime on September 25, 2010, at 15:53:41
Maxime
Good point... You're right with the tolerance. Yes it can lead to addiction. The truth is in 10 - 15 years from now medication that doctors are prescribing will be stopped or not prescribed as much due to the possibilities of addiction...
But you have hit the nail on the head with tolerance possibly turning into an addiction.
Best wishes
My friend
Leon
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2010, at 16:34:37
In reply to Lou's request-ekspurt, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2010, at 16:25:15
> Friends,
> If you are considering posting in thiis thread oor if you are wanting to see reseach concerning benzodiazepines hat couldanswer some questions that are raised here, I am requesting that you read the following research report.
> One aspect in the research is that the researcher found that there could be a delay in the withdrawal symptoms of 3 weeks.This could account for some poeple thinking that there is not a withdrawal if they are a person that takes three weeks for the withdrawal symptoms to appear and starts again the BZd before that time.
> I have read of cases where the withdrawal is delayed for longer periods. When tha happens, it is possible then for the person experiancing withdrawal to think that what they are experiancing is somethibng other than that and reinstate that drug. Then when other drugs are involved, there could be other consequences, including death due to the combimnation of the drugs.
> Lou
> Here is a way to read the research article
> A. pull up google
> B. Type in:
> [The Benzodiazepines-DR. Reg Peart]
> The article that is on the top of the page when clicked on will say;
> The Benzodiazepines Toxicity, Cognative Impairment, Long Term Damage..etc by Dr RF Peart Dec 2000Friends,
If the page that comes up has a picture of Dr peart, there will be a list of his research articles and you could click on
The Benzodiazepines, Toxicity, Cognative Impairment, Long Term Damage...etc
Lou
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 25, 2010, at 16:49:26
In reply to Lou's request-ekspurt, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2010, at 16:25:15
Hi Lou
Thank you for your post. The reason I decided to post here was for the simple fact that I am concerned with the young people that are out there taking street Benzos. Google is an ok source for information and Wikipedia will give you mixed views. You see I'm related to the Roche family, which is something I didn't have a choice over. I'm here to help those who may need assistance.
Keep dancing
Respect
Leon
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2010, at 17:04:46
In reply to Re: Lou's request-ekspurt, posted by Leon Ousby on September 25, 2010, at 16:49:26
> Hi Lou
>
> Thank you for your post. The reason I decided to post here was for the simple fact that I am concerned with the young people that are out there taking street Benzos. Google is an ok source for information and Wikipedia will give you mixed views. You see I'm related to the Roche family, which is something I didn't have a choice over. I'm here to help those who may need assistance.
>
> Keep dancing
>
> Respect
>
> LeonLeon,
Does this go back to the 1890's as Hoffman La Roche?
Lou
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 25, 2010, at 17:50:54
In reply to Lou's request-swiz » Leon Ousby, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2010, at 17:04:46
Hi Lou
Yes it does and not a family I am always proud to be a member of. I have had many conversations and the original intentions were to assist patients. Unfortunately as Linkadge pointed out Tolerance is a huge problem with these kinds of medications. I have had endless conversations at conventions with regards to issues surrounding this potential trouble source.
These medications are needed in some cases and not everyone develops an addiction.
People who have created an addiction, just need to know that there is help and strategies that can help those unfortunate people overcome (In a short period) the issues.
Regards
Leon
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 26, 2010, at 13:13:07
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions » Leon Ousby, posted by linkadge on September 25, 2010, at 14:40:48
Hi Linkadge
I'm sure you do find Benzodiazepines effective. Thats the reason thay were created. Short term. I do agree with you with regards to the the tolerance factor. It certainly sounds like you don't have the addictive gene. Which is great.
With regards to the brain. We will have to agree to disagree on this one my friend.
My purpose is to help, inform and hopefully sway people to use alternatives rather than using these types of medications.
I'm in the process of writing a theatre show aimed for high school children to provide vital information with regards to all aspects of possible addiction.
Has we have both already agreed, not everybody gets addicted.
Kind regards
L Ousby
Posted by Maxime on September 26, 2010, at 20:00:55
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions, posted by Leon Ousby on September 26, 2010, at 13:13:07
> Hi Linkadge
>
>I'm in the process of writing a theatre show aimed for high school children to provide vital information with regards to all aspects of possible addiction.
>I love your idea for the play! There is a message that needs to get out there. Plus a lot of high school students might be addicted to Ritalin or Stimulants that they have been taking for ages for ADD.
I have read in several places that teachers often ask the parents if they can put their kid on Ritalin because the teacher has a hard time controlling overly crowded classrooms. Many of these kids don't need Ritalin.
Good luck with writing the play!
Posted by Leon Ousby on September 26, 2010, at 20:50:06
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions » Leon Ousby, posted by Maxime on September 26, 2010, at 20:00:55
Linkadge
Thank you for your support... Its great to have a conversation with someone that obviously knows what there talking about.
Kind Regards
Leon
Posted by sukarno on October 11, 2010, at 3:54:19
In reply to Re: Benzo Addictions, posted by Leon Ousby on September 26, 2010, at 20:50:06
I've been on the same dosage of Xanax for _years_ and it still works. In fact, I still feel sleepy and relaxed all day. Of course, I only speak for myself, but I have had no problems with benzodiazepines and have been on them for 20 years.
It's great not to have panic attacks.
As for tapering: that is easy for most folks if they switch to diazepam and taper slowly.
Scare tactics are not very helpful in my opinion. Yes, there are wayward people abusing benzodiazepines off the street. However, they do not represent the majority of people who take them on a psychiatrist's prescription for panic disorder or other serious medical conditions that often require medication.
Scare tactics can cause people to abandon their medications, whether they are SSRIs, antipsychotics, sleeping pills, etc, and get worse.
Not everyone is the same and not everyone can live life without medication, just like some diabetics need insulin injections and heart patients need blood thinners.
This is the last time I post in this thread, btw.
*One of the reasons why I signed up at Dr Bob's website 7 or 8 years ago was to avoid the anti-medication crowd* - especially the "benzo bigots".
Please don't feel personally offended. I have been on the receiving end of a lot of abuse on other websites by folks who belittled my anxiety disorders. What was even worse was that those alarmists were not well-versed in even the most basic amount of pharmacology and lacked the ability to spell.
I'm glad to have a life largely free of panic attacks and am happy that you don't have to take pills to control your illness.
Take care and best wishes,
Paul
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