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Posted by conundrum on April 11, 2010, at 21:02:00
Biopsychiatry.com, bluelight.ru, Illimnst, etc?
Often these sites and forums promote drugs outside of the norm of psych practice such as stimulants like provigil, selegine, nootropics like racetams and stuff like GHB.
Are these people kinda nuts and brain tinkerers? Are the drugs they recommend reliable solutions to long standing problems?
Can you base your decisions on those of psychonauts?
I guess i'm posting because sometimes when I see how many other drugs are out there that might help with some of my symptoms I get frustrated at the complexity. Part of me wants to demonize those drugs just so I don't have to worry about trying them. If i discredit I don't have to try. Thats pretty dumb, but sometimes the number of options and combos we have is overwhelming.
Its like this show "Sliders" where the characters are constantly going from one alternate universe to the next to get home. However there are infinite alternate universes. They would never get home if this actually occured. When I think about the number of options there are outside of conventional psych drugs prescribed in the US. I find it overwhelming. Its one of the few things that can actually make me feel anxious.
Posted by Phillipa on April 11, 2010, at 21:34:56
In reply to What are your thoughts on sites like..., posted by conundrum on April 11, 2010, at 21:02:00
Honestly? I'd not do it ever. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on April 12, 2010, at 0:29:59
In reply to What are your thoughts on sites like..., posted by conundrum on April 11, 2010, at 21:02:00
MHO--some of those sites creep me out. I would never have thought about taking psychotropics to begin with, and here I am. I can break into anxious sweat contemplating the destabilizing effects some stated meds would cause me.
Jeez--brain chemistry is waaaay beyond me, and experimenting is not my hobby.
My son says "different strokes for different folks." Let's hear
it for Sly and the Family Stone. My son has good taste.Two cents.
Peace!
Posted by Economist on April 12, 2010, at 2:54:41
In reply to What are your thoughts on sites like..., posted by conundrum on April 11, 2010, at 21:02:00
I believe that when you're at the end of your rope and desperate for relief, brain-tinkering is simply the last option.
I got the idea to try DLPA and PEA with Emsam/selegiline from those sites. They did not do a thing for my anhedonia, but at least I explored it. I am on a desperate mission to be rid of anhedonia, and that requires exploring every possible lead.
Posted by bleauberry on April 12, 2010, at 17:09:56
In reply to What are your thoughts on sites like..., posted by conundrum on April 11, 2010, at 21:02:00
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> Often these sites and forums promote drugs outside of the norm of psych practice such as stimulants like provigil, selegine, nootropics like racetams and stuff like GHB.Maybe it's common pscyhiatry that is actually outside the norm? I mean, with as little as we know about how the brain and all the intricate workings of the body function, who is to say who is an expert and who isn't? Fact is, nobody is.
It is predominantly the political and economic environment that determines which drugs get the attention and which don't. I don't think that in any way makes one better than another.
Brain tinkerers. I would say those are definitely the pdocs. They have not a clue what they are doing to someone's longterm brain when they write out a prescription for an ssri.
Can you base your decisions on what a pdoc tells you? I personally cannot.
If we all spent as much time, effort, study, and trial-and-error on multiple lifestyle changes and health improvements, and in differential diagnosis of things that were likely missed, I think that makes more sense than putting all that effort into just trying mind-tinkering drugs one after another, no matter who it is that is promoting them.
I personally believe all the drugs of common psychiatry as well as the others overseas serve a purpose, with neither having more potential or less potential than the other. But I also believe we get too caught up in the trap of narrow vision drug focus and lose sight of the bigger picture.
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> Are these people kinda nuts and brain tinkerers? Are the drugs they recommend reliable solutions to long standing problems?
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> I guess i'm posting because sometimes when I see how many other drugs are out there that might help with some of my symptoms I get frustrated at the complexity. Part of me wants to demonize those drugs just so I don't have to worry about trying them. If i discredit I don't have to try. Thats pretty dumb, but sometimes the number of options and combos we have is overwhelming.
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> Its like this show "Sliders" where the characters are constantly going from one alternate universe to the next to get home. However there are infinite alternate universes. They would never get home if this actually occured. When I think about the number of options there are outside of conventional psych drugs prescribed in the US. I find it overwhelming. Its one of the few things that can actually make me feel anxious.
Posted by janejane on April 12, 2010, at 18:02:07
In reply to What are your thoughts on sites like..., posted by conundrum on April 11, 2010, at 21:02:00
I've stumbled upon some insightful posts on ImmInst after googling certain topics. As with everything, I take what I read with a grain of salt.
Posted by floatingbridge on April 12, 2010, at 18:19:54
In reply to Re: What are your thoughts on sites like..., posted by bleauberry on April 12, 2010, at 17:09:56
Hi BB,
I don't think this was your intent, but I found myself a little miffed. Some of us--well, myself, I'll speak for myself; I coped, compensated, changed habits and treatments, in fact worked darn hard only to be smacked by MD. And here I am. So now I spend more time researching, listening to my body and heart and mind, living life however I can with a positive attitude.
Peace to you.
Respectfully,
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> > Its like this show "Sliders" where the characters are constantly going from one alternate universe to the next to get home. However there are infinite alternate universes. They would never get home if this actually occured. When I think about the number of options there are outside of conventional psych drugs prescribed in the US. I find it overwhelming. Its one of the few things that can actually make me feel anxious.
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Posted by conundrum on April 12, 2010, at 18:28:32
In reply to Re: What are your thoughts on sites like..., posted by bleauberry on April 12, 2010, at 17:09:56
Hmm, thats very true about the SSRIs, its almost as if I forgot what psychiatry did to me.
Sometimes I just get the impression that the people recommending these things Aare just trying things to see what the effects are which to me is kinda nuts, since anything could happen.
The short term effects a psychonaut might experience with a short trial of selegine, might not be what a truly depressed person would experience
But I'm sure they find things that help people outside the normal realm of psych meds, so its a good point.
Posted by floatingbridge on April 12, 2010, at 18:48:20
In reply to Re: What are your thoughts on sites like... » bleauberry, posted by conundrum on April 12, 2010, at 18:28:32
Conundrum, once made my pdoc laugh during a conversation about the disconnect between researchers, some pdocs and actual 'people'--the image was someone discovering a key and running about looking for what it might open.
Posted by conundrum on April 12, 2010, at 19:33:42
In reply to Re: What are your thoughts on sites like... » conundrum, posted by floatingbridge on April 12, 2010, at 18:48:20
Thats so true, just look at drugs like lacitimal and gabapentin. They were supposed to be anti seizure meds but pdocs have salvaged them running aroudn and using them for sleeping aids and depression augmentors.
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