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Posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 16:47:40
I wish I never took medications for depression. I would have probably recovered by now and I wouldn't be dependant all this on worthless crap.
L:inkadge
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 22, 2010, at 17:06:04
In reply to I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 16:47:40
> I wish I never took medications for depression. I would have probably recovered by now and I wouldn't be dependant all this on worthless crap.
Link,
I thought you were experiencing some benefit from amitriptyline and methylphenidate at the moment?
Posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 18:27:35
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 22, 2010, at 17:06:04
Well, I guess it just depends what hour and what day you ask.
Linkadge
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 22, 2010, at 19:10:00
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 18:27:35
> Well, I guess it just depends what hour and what day you ask.
>
> LinkadgeYeah, I know what you mean.
Methylphenidate is quite short-acting. Do you find that you are 'up and down' as a result?
Posted by Bob on March 22, 2010, at 19:18:16
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 18:27:35
> Well, I guess it just depends what hour and what day you ask.
>
> Linkadge
Boy, you can say that again. My doctor will ask me how I've been feeling in the past week and I'm thinking exactly what you said about what day and hour it was that he wants to hear about.
Posted by Sigismund on March 22, 2010, at 21:14:31
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap » linkadge, posted by Bob on March 22, 2010, at 19:18:16
I always feel great when I see my doctor. He talks about psychopathic shrinks and politicians and the plot to flatline the world. I say humanity is a lost cause and laugh myself sick. I leave with a script for Valium, and then I feel miserable.
Posted by Sigismund on March 22, 2010, at 21:27:21
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by Sigismund on March 22, 2010, at 21:14:31
If I left with a script for Dexedrine I might feel better.
Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2010, at 0:26:53
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by Sigismund on March 22, 2010, at 21:27:21
I'd prefer a light pain pill as they might allow me to use my back without pain and they make me laugh???? Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on March 23, 2010, at 3:51:52
In reply to I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 16:47:40
hey Linkadge, same boat here buddy
listen to what i have...
2 tardive Dyskinesias, 2 psychosis, a natural one and an induced by the med Lamictal (manic toxic psychosis propably)
all cool brain damages by m***Tf*** pill creators¨
and now i'm going on Sertindole, a sudden death drug
what do you want me to do buddy?
Posted by Sigismund on March 23, 2010, at 3:55:16
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2010, at 0:26:53
No need for question marks there, PJ.
What we need are nice mild euphoriants.
Like coca tea, and the odd smoke of opium.
That's the problem with the youth of today....no moral fibre.
Posted by manic666 on March 23, 2010, at 5:49:22
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap » Phillipa, posted by Sigismund on March 23, 2010, at 3:55:16
think on ,you must off felt really crap to start meds. so if you hadent you may be dead now,//i didnt take AD,S till years after my doc told me to.//ok i dont weigh 11 stone anymore an do crazy thing im still famouse for,//well only some times// but what other choise is there death or meds thats all.//i still dont no how i will wake the next day,// but i dont windge i do something ?anything , sure i feel bad , but im not dead or in the sh*t hospital zoo,// bring it on you can win a battle but the war never ends
Posted by Bob12 on March 23, 2010, at 10:07:51
In reply to I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 16:47:40
> I wish I never took medications for depression. I would have probably recovered by now and I wouldn't be dependant all this on worthless crap.
>
> L:inkadgeI agree- I wish I never took anti-depressants in 1994- I was barely depressed at the time, and was only taking them upon a recommendation of a roommate and an idiot doctor, and the anti-depressants caused me to become manic and induced a borderline psychosis.
I ended up on Zyprexa in 2001 as a result.
Posted by Jeroen on March 23, 2010, at 11:22:54
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by Bob12 on March 23, 2010, at 10:07:51
man i think everybody get's an induced psychosis..
from anti depressants, from anti seizure meds, and from even anti psychotics like abilify and geodon.
This is madness!
what's next???????????????
Posted by manic666 on March 23, 2010, at 12:34:47
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap » linkadge, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 22, 2010, at 19:10:00
sig you have a point about fibre.not sure about the opium,,//but i honestly would not take the meds even though it was glareingly odvious i was in deepshit.//the stigma about being a rough *rs* guy on ponssy meds haunted me.//i see an hear now any small blip in people,s lives they they fold on the meds, an get worse.//as i said a guy was in the chemist he wanted his money back on his first AD the gp had handed him just to get shut of him///he had read the side effects an was telling the chemist no way hosay// if he was really ill he would just take them full stop to try to get out of mental pain./// its to easy to get meds for nothing more than a bit of the blues ,were a couple of night on the beer would sort out.//thats why the shrinks dont take anyone serious there looking for the scammers.//if i hadnt been a benzo an brandy addict an tried to top myself an admitted to hospital//us real nuts would be f***ed
Posted by Sigismund on March 23, 2010, at 17:05:36
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by manic666 on March 23, 2010, at 12:34:47
>sig you have a point about fibre.not sure about the opium,,
Oh the opium would be fine. That bottle of Glenmorangie I bought at the airport wouldn't leave me alone.
Posted by Sigismund on March 23, 2010, at 17:09:23
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by manic666 on March 23, 2010, at 12:34:47
Back before the decline you could buy (if you were careful, persistent and selective) in Britain a very effective medicine called Dr Collis Brown's Chlorodyne, available in the family sized bottle.
So much better to have patent medicines.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 23, 2010, at 17:31:15
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap » manic666, posted by Sigismund on March 23, 2010, at 17:09:23
Sigi,
I just sent you a babblemail. Let me know if you get it. I think there may be a problem with my babblemail.
Posted by bleauberry on March 25, 2010, at 19:43:10
In reply to I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 16:47:40
Yeah, I almost get the feeling that once somebody has been on a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, things are never the same after that. The brain never returns to its previous baseline. Permanent changes in genetic behavior and receptors happened and is not reversible. Just my view. No one has done any research on it. But your eyes and my eyes have seen enough to know more than the white coats know.
I do not feel as negatively about other meds. MAOIs and low dose antipsychotics I do not believe cause the same profound changes that ssris do. There is something about the whole serotonin reuptake interruption mechanism that is just wrong.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 27, 2010, at 8:29:36
In reply to Re: I regret ever ingesting this crap » Sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 23, 2010, at 17:31:15
> I just sent you a babblemail. Let me know if you get it. I think there may be a problem with my babblemail.
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding babblemail to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20100305/msgs/941059.html
That'll be considered a new thread, so if you'd like to be notified by email of follow-ups to it, you'll need to request that there. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by bulldog2 on March 28, 2010, at 10:15:43
In reply to I regret ever ingesting this crap, posted by linkadge on March 22, 2010, at 16:47:40
> I wish I never took medications for depression. I would have probably recovered by now and I wouldn't be dependant all this on worthless crap.
>
> L:inkadgeNo comment on the meds. Just don't know enough about them. However your following statement is more than likely not true regardless of studies you may have read. Been there as have others waiting for the angels to cure us.
I would have probably recovered by now and I wouldn't be dependant all this on worthless crap.
Wishful thinking at best.(me) I probably became ill with depression in my early teens and never tried an AD drug until my early 40's. I guess I spent decades hoping that I would miraculously evolve into a normal being. Did tons of exercise,was macrobiotic for years (they promised a cure), a fortune spent on supplements etc. The disease actually progressed as time went on.
Have I found a cure with modern Psychiatry? NO! I have had my months of feeling better. I have had my months of felling awful. I guess I am happy for the months of feeling better. Before seeking treatment I lived a bell curve of levels of unhappiness.
I have also been around people (friends, family) who did not believe in medication and who were mentally ill. They did not appear to get better.So if you sit in your rocking chair and dream of the recovery you would be now enjoying had you not ingested worthless crap you can forget the dream. Just very unlikely that would have happened. Or maybe as likely as a blind man waking up one day with sight. Not here touting meds because I have no idea what help they have given you if any. But just straigtening out the idea (myth) that most of us would have just gotten better. The reality of nature is harsh. Things don't necessarily have good endings. Sometimes a person will have an episode of depression due to a bad situation they are experiencing. People can come out of those depressions as the situations resolve. BUT for those of us who experience a type of endogenous depression or other mental illness that began early in life the chance of spontaneous recovery seems very unlikely.
Sorry for the bad news.
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