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Posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 7:25:22
Ed,
As you may recall, 12 years ago the first p-doc I went to visit misdiagnosed me as ADHD and prescribed Ritalin and Paxil. Without any moodstablizers on board, the meds pushed me into a full blown mania.
As a result, I lost my engineering job, and as it turns out, I've lost my entire engineer career. And all because the p-doc did not give me a screening test.
Also, recall that the SSRI caused me to start ultra rapid cycling. For the past 12 years, my rapid cycle has always been 15 days in duration, consisting of 8 days of normal mood (no depression) and 7 days of depression. When one 15-day cycle ends, the next 15-day cycle immediately begins. This has continued non-stop for the past 12 years.
Over the years I have been able to reduce the severity of my depressive phase via extensive research and conducting med trials based on the literature. I've been lucky; my pdoc allows me the freedom to conduct med trials so long as I show him the literature supporting my rationale.
Although I have succeeded over the years in reducing the severity of my depression using psychotropic medication, I could never get the ultra rapid cycling to stop.
Here is the reason I gave my background in the previous five paragraphs: A couple of months ago, I finally got around to placing an on-line order for my supplements and vitamins. I ran out of them a long time ago.
Now that I am taking them again, along with my p-meds, my ultra rapid cycling has stopped for the first time in 12 years. Time will tell regarding the long-term efficacy, but this feels right.
Here is a list of the supplements and vitamins that I currently take: P-5-P, methyl-B12, PS, D-3, Mg Malate, CoQ10, Selenium, Chromium Picolinate, GTF Chromium, Cinnamon, Alive Multi-V, Carlson's Bottled Fish Oil. Each of these has a particular purpose, but I will not bore you with all of them. Instead, I want to focus on the two heavy hitters; Fish oil and phosphatidylserne (PS).
I take slightly more fish oil than Andrew Stoll used in his 1999 study. In the Stoll study the patients took 9.6 g/day which is about 6 tsp/day. This works out to be one 500 ml bottle every 16 days. At $27 per bottle it's a $50 per month added expense. Here's Stoll's study which Im sure youve seen before:
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/56/5/407
Phosphatidylserene improves the placidity of the neurons and, therefore, improves the functioning of the receptors. PS does a lot of really good stuff. Scan through this book:
It is hard to explain how happy I am that the ultra rapid cycling has stopped.
-- Rondx: Bipolar II and mild OCPD
600 mg/day Trileptal
200 mg/day Lamictal
500 mg/day Keppra
90 mg/day Nardil
1.9 mg/day Deplin (taken with methyl B-12 and P-5-P)
Dark therapy via LowBlueLight glasses
Posted by linkadge on March 13, 2010, at 7:59:39
In reply to Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » ed_uk2010, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 7:25:22
It could be the enhancement of cholinergic function that reduced the rapid cycling (i.e. PS, b12 etc.). Anticholingerics (such as paroxetine) are known to cause rapid cycling.
Just as a side question, did you ever try ritalin alone?
Linkadge
Posted by polarbear206 on March 13, 2010, at 9:40:21
In reply to Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » ed_uk2010, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 7:25:22
> Ed,
>
> As you may recall, 12 years ago the first p-doc I went to visit misdiagnosed me as ADHD and prescribed Ritalin and Paxil. Without any moodstablizers on board, the meds pushed me into a full blown mania.
>
> As a result, I lost my engineering job, and as it turns out, I've lost my entire engineer career. And all because the p-doc did not give me a screening test.
>
> Also, recall that the SSRI caused me to start ultra rapid cycling. For the past 12 years, my rapid cycle has always been 15 days in duration, consisting of 8 days of normal mood (no depression) and 7 days of depression. When one 15-day cycle ends, the next 15-day cycle immediately begins. This has continued non-stop for the past 12 years.
>
> Over the years I have been able to reduce the severity of my depressive phase via extensive research and conducting med trials based on the literature. I've been lucky; my pdoc allows me the freedom to conduct med trials so long as I show him the literature supporting my rationale.
>
> Although I have succeeded over the years in reducing the severity of my depression using psychotropic medication, I could never get the ultra rapid cycling to stop.
>
> Here is the reason I gave my background in the previous five paragraphs: A couple of months ago, I finally got around to placing an on-line order for my supplements and vitamins. I ran out of them a long time ago.
>
> Now that I am taking them again, along with my p-meds, my ultra rapid cycling has stopped for the first time in 12 years. Time will tell regarding the long-term efficacy, but this feels right.
>
> Here is a list of the supplements and vitamins that I currently take: P-5-P, methyl-B12, PS, D-3, Mg Malate, CoQ10, Selenium, Chromium Picolinate, GTF Chromium, Cinnamon, Alive Multi-V, Carlson's Bottled Fish Oil. Each of these has a particular purpose, but I will not bore you with all of them. Instead, I want to focus on the two heavy hitters; Fish oil and phosphatidylserne (PS).
>
> I take slightly more fish oil than Andrew Stoll used in his 1999 study. In the Stoll study the patients took 9.6 g/day which is about 6 tsp/day. This works out to be one 500 ml bottle every 16 days. At $27 per bottle it's a $50 per month added expense. Here's Stoll's study which Im sure youve seen before:
>
> http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/56/5/407
>
> Phosphatidylserene improves the placidity of the neurons and, therefore, improves the functioning of the receptors. PS does a lot of really good stuff. Scan through this book:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ibFUvixALoUC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=mitochondrial+membrane+phospholipids+fatigue+bipolar+disorder&ots=pLI3iNNJJe&sig=tdUQzy34PiKKwPRHp003CmVomPs#v=onepage&q=&f=false
>
> It is hard to explain how happy I am that the ultra rapid cycling has stopped.
>
>
> -- Ron
>
> dx: Bipolar II and mild OCPD
>
> 600 mg/day Trileptal
> 200 mg/day Lamictal
> 500 mg/day Keppra
> 90 mg/day Nardil
> 1.9 mg/day Deplin (taken with methyl B-12 and P-5-P)
> Dark therapy via LowBlueLight glasses
>Hi Ron,
I'm right there with ya in experiencing the Paxil rollercoaster in the past. I wish more people would do their own research, and just not rely on this board for their only source of info. Have you considered using NAC? Research looks very promising. Right up there with fish oils. I'm going to give it a try. Your right about the higher doses of fish oil, I've also researched about that too. Dark therapy, excellent thing to do in your situation. I also take Carlson's or Costco fish oil. I need to be more consistant with taking them. I ran out a couple months ago. Need to make a costco trip. So glad you are doing well. I remember you years ago on this board. :)
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 13, 2010, at 9:52:29
In reply to Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » ed_uk2010, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 7:25:22
Hi Ron,
This is excellent news. Are you almost completely symptom-free at the moment?
One thing which interests me is if/whether (and how) you are able to identify the individual effects of the various supplements? On the other hand, perhaps they only work for you in combination.
Posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 10:14:24
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped, posted by linkadge on March 13, 2010, at 7:59:39
> Just as a side question, did you ever try ritalin alone?
Link,
Thanks for the information.
Yes, I took Ritalin by itself 14 years ago. (I miscounted when I said 12 years in my post above). My first p-doc visit was in April, 1996.
Here are my results from taking Ritalin when I was a p-med virgin:
1. Incredible focus, clarity of thought, drive, motivation, and a "can do" attitude for a couple weeks;
2. Then wide mood swings;
3. Eventually off the chart irritability -- GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
The p-doc that distroyed my life first put me on Ritalin by itself 14 years ago. When I became moody, I went back to his office and told him that Ritalin was fun at first, but I wanted to discontinue.
However, he insisted that we continue by adding Paxil to Ritalin to take the edge off of the Ritalin monotherapy. But, still no screening test.
With the addition of Paxil, I was off to the manic races. And, when I started showing up in his office for "med checks" while in a manic state, he still did not put the puzzle pieces together and figure out that I am bipolar. Go figure. He just kept writting scripts for large amounts of Ritalin and Paxil.
In a manic state one day, I called the p-doc's wife and asked her what the p-doc liked to do in his free time so I could buy him a present. She told me that he liked to fly fish. So, I went out and bought a $300 fly rod. I brought it with me to my next appointment and gave it to him. He took it with a thank you, but still no screening test.
When I went to my first p-doc appointment, I knew absolutely nothing about p-meds or p-dx's. Never again! Never again! I will never take anything from any doctor without doing my homework first. I learned how to do research by watching how PBer's have done it over the years.
Now-a-days, when I've tried using 5 mg of Ritalin as an add-on to my cocktail, within 30 minutes I am VERY off the chart irritabile.
-- Ron
dx: Bipolar II and mild OCPD
600 mg/day Trileptal
200 mg/day Lamictal
500 mg/day Keppra
90 mg/day Nardil
1.9 mg/day Deplin (taken with methyl B-12 and P-5-P)
Dark therapy via LowBlueLight glasses
Several vitamins and supplements
Posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 10:49:13
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped, posted by polarbear206 on March 13, 2010, at 9:40:21
Hi Polar Bear,
> Have you considered using NAC?
Funny you should ask. It's in my queue for my next addition. However, before I add anything new, I want to give my current med/supplement/vitamin cocktail more time to make sure that it continues to prevent rapid cycling.
> Research looks very promising. Right up there with fish oils.
Yes. Very promising. I took some of the NAC studies with me to my most recent p-doc appointment. He was very interested, particularly due to the status of the people conducting the studies.
> I'm going to give it a try.
Good. Please post your results. I've read that it is important to drink 6 - 8 glasses of water per day to prevent cysteine renal stones. Also, I've read that Acetyl-L-Carnitine, Alpha-Lipoic Acid and Vitamin C should be taken with NAC. You may want to use Google Scholar and Pub Med to see if you can verify the benefit of these add-ons.
> Your right about the higher doses of fish oil, I've also researched about that too. Dark therapy, excellent thing to do in your situation. I also take Carlson's or Costco fish oil. I need to be more consistant with taking them. I ran out a couple months ago. Need to make a costco trip. So glad you are doing well.
> I remember you years ago on this board. :)
And, of course I know you, Polar Bear. Unfortunately my time constraints restrict my posting. However, I'm always lurking and looking over shoulders.
-- Ron
Posted by Phillipa on March 13, 2010, at 11:04:16
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » polarbear206, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 10:49:13
Ron I feel congratulations are in order. Wow it's remarkable so happy for you!!!! Phillipa
Posted by polarbear206 on March 13, 2010, at 11:21:46
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » polarbear206, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 10:49:13
> Hi Polar Bear,
>
> > Have you considered using NAC?
>
> Funny you should ask. It's in my queue for my next addition. However, before I add anything new, I want to give my current med/supplement/vitamin cocktail more time to make sure that it continues to prevent rapid cycling.
>
> > Research looks very promising. Right up there with fish oils.
>
> Yes. Very promising. I took some of the NAC studies with me to my most recent p-doc appointment. He was very interested, particularly due to the status of the people conducting the studies.
>
> > I'm going to give it a try.
>
> Good. Please post your results. I've read that it is important to drink 6 - 8 glasses of water per day to prevent cysteine renal stones. Also, I've read that Acetyl-L-Carnitine, Alpha-Lipoic Acid and Vitamin C should be taken with NAC. You may want to use Google Scholar and Pub Med to see if you can verify the benefit of these add-ons.
>
> > Your right about the higher doses of fish oil, I've also researched about that too. Dark therapy, excellent thing to do in your situation. I also take Carlson's or Costco fish oil. I need to be more consistant with taking them. I ran out a couple months ago. Need to make a costco trip. So glad you are doing well.
>
> > I remember you years ago on this board. :)
>
> And, of course I know you, Polar Bear. Unfortunately my time constraints restrict my posting. However, I'm always lurking and looking over shoulders.
>
> -- Ron
>
>Pub Med is also one of my favorite sites. Thanks for the info, I will look into that. :)
Posted by polarbear206 on March 13, 2010, at 11:28:26
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » linkadge, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 10:14:24
> > Just as a side question, did you ever try ritalin alone?
>
> Link,
>
> Thanks for the information.
>
> Yes, I took Ritalin by itself 14 years ago. (I miscounted when I said 12 years in my post above). My first p-doc visit was in April, 1996.
>
> Here are my results from taking Ritalin when I was a p-med virgin:
>
> 1. Incredible focus, clarity of thought, drive, motivation, and a "can do" attitude for a couple weeks;
>
> 2. Then wide mood swings;
>
> 3. Eventually off the chart irritability -- GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>
> The p-doc that distroyed my life first put me on Ritalin by itself 14 years ago. When I became moody, I went back to his office and told him that Ritalin was fun at first, but I wanted to discontinue.
>
> However, he insisted that we continue by adding Paxil to Ritalin to take the edge off of the Ritalin monotherapy. But, still no screening test.
>
> With the addition of Paxil, I was off to the manic races. And, when I started showing up in his office for "med checks" while in a manic state, he still did not put the puzzle pieces together and figure out that I am bipolar. Go figure. He just kept writting scripts for large amounts of Ritalin and Paxil.
>
> In a manic state one day, I called the p-doc's wife and asked her what the p-doc liked to do in his free time so I could buy him a present. She told me that he liked to fly fish. So, I went out and bought a $300 fly rod. I brought it with me to my next appointment and gave it to him. He took it with a thank you, but still no screening test.
>
> When I went to my first p-doc appointment, I knew absolutely nothing about p-meds or p-dx's. Never again! Never again! I will never take anything from any doctor without doing my homework first. I learned how to do research by watching how PBer's have done it over the years.
>
> Now-a-days, when I've tried using 5 mg of Ritalin as an add-on to my cocktail, within 30 minutes I am VERY off the chart irritabile.
>
> -- Ron
>
> dx: Bipolar II and mild OCPD
>
> 600 mg/day Trileptal
> 200 mg/day Lamictal
> 500 mg/day Keppra
> 90 mg/day Nardil
> 1.9 mg/day Deplin (taken with methyl B-12 and P-5-P)
> Dark therapy via LowBlueLight glasses
> Several vitamins and supplements
>Gee Ron, Can't compete with the $300 fly rod. I baked my p-doc a cake in my one and only hypomanic summer episode 20 years ago. :)
Posted by Roslynn on March 13, 2010, at 11:32:08
In reply to Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » ed_uk2010, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 7:25:22
Hi Ron,
Just wanted to say I am really happy for you! It's great to hear some good news for a change.
Posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 11:50:49
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » Ron Hill, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 13, 2010, at 9:52:29
> This is excellent news. Are you almost completely symptom-free at the moment?
I am completely free of depression. However, I can still tell that I am rapid cycling just below the surface. I know this because right on schedule when I would have been in a depressive phase, my muscles ache and my thoughts are not as clear as they should be. These are symptoms that always occurred with depression. So it is like being in one of my depressive phases without the depression.
I score my mood daily, and it has always been interesting to watch the same mood cycle occur over and over. And, to be able to predict what mood I'll be in for future dates. But, now I don't have to get out the calendar to see if I will be depressed during an up coming social event or professional appointment. I'm never depressed. We'll see if it lasts. My gut tells me it will.
> One thing which interests me is if/whether (and how) you are able to identify the individual effects of the various supplements?First there needs to be some reseach that shows benefit for the vitamin/supplement. If so, then I add them one at a time and note the degree of improvement (if any). Some vitamins I can't "feel" an improvement persa, but I choose to take them anyway if there are sufficient data that show a benefit for the vitamin/supplement.
> On the other hand, perhaps they only work for you in combination.
Interesting that you say that. It's not just me, but Fish oil and phosphatidylserene (PS) work even better when they are taken together.
Ed, for one month take 300 mg/day of PS and a minimum of 9.6 g/day of liquid fish oil (no capsules). I'm betting that you will notice a benefit early-on. These will even help healthy people like yourself.
-- Ron
Posted by linkadge on March 13, 2010, at 12:00:38
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped, posted by polarbear206 on March 13, 2010, at 9:40:21
For me lower doses of fish oil seem to work better. Higher doses seem to induce anxiety and insomnia.
I might be bipolar (or bipolar ii) but as long as I keep the antidepressant dose low and keep taking some of the supplements I do, things seem to be relatively ok.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on March 13, 2010, at 12:11:16
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » linkadge, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 10:14:24
Yeah, it appears we are fairly different.
Ritalin alone can make me irritable, but usually only in the highest doses. Lower doses actually help my irritability.
My mother is bipolar (classic) and I may have some bipoliarity. I don't usually get irritable, but I do have periods of euphoria, followed by depression.
My euphoria is not crazy uncontrollable though. I just feel very happy and high on life. It generally doesn't affect my judgement. I don't have wild spending sprees or promiscuity.
The main supplements that seem to be helping me now are folic acid and omega-3.
I also take GLA for its purpored ability to help remylination. Its kind of a theoretical supplement as I have no proof that my myelin is damaged.
I took paxil and for me it acutually caused rapid cycling too! I remember it made my thinking very off - almost psychotic. I think its the anticholinergic effect. Citalopram/escitalopram for me were better in that it didn't have that wacky scarry psychotic like feeling to it.
Linkadge
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 13, 2010, at 14:28:00
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped, posted by polarbear206 on March 13, 2010, at 11:28:26
>Gee Ron, Can't compete with the $300 fly rod. I baked my p-doc a cake in my one and only hypomanic summer episode 20 years ago.
I guess the cake was a bit cheaper :)
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 13, 2010, at 14:34:58
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » ed_uk2010, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 11:50:49
Hi Ron,
> I am completely free of depression. However, I can still tell that I am rapid cycling just below the surface. I know this because right on schedule when I would have been in a depressive phase, my muscles ache and my thoughts are not as clear as they should be. These are symptoms that always occurred with depression. So it is like being in one of my depressive phases without the depression.
That's very interesting. Do you think that adjusting the dose of fish oil might help? Linkadge actually felt better on lower doses.
> Ed, for one month take 300 mg/day of PS and a minimum of 9.6 g/day of liquid fish oil (no capsules). I'm betting that you will notice a benefit early-on. These will even help healthy people like yourself.
Well, healthy is relative. I wouldn't say I was particularly healthy at the moment, although I'm not ill. I'll certainly consider the fish oil. I've not seen PS in any stores, I will have a look for it. Did you say that you buy online or did I imagine that?
Posted by Ron Hill on March 15, 2010, at 1:14:57
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » Ron Hill, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 13, 2010, at 14:34:58
> Do you think that adjusting the dose of fish oil might help? Linkadge actually felt better on lower doses.
As you know so well, everyone is different. For me, more is better. I take just a little more than Dr. Andrew Stoll used in his 1999 study.
http://archpsyc.highwire.org/cgi/content/full/56/5/407
> I've not seen PS in any stores, I will have a look for it. Did you say that you buy online or did I imagine that?
Here are several brands. Don't by a "complex". You want 100% PS.http://www.iherb.com/Phosphatidyl-Serine
I use this one:
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Phosphatidyl-Serine-100-100-mg-60-Capsules/1454?at=0
Read the Product Detail tab and the Product Review tab.
Fish Oil and PS work synergistically. At a minium in the following Google Book, see the PET scan on page 30 and read Chapter 4 which is only four pages long. I highly recommend that you read the rest of book excerpts as well.
Here is the Fish Oil that I take:
http://www.iherb.com/Carlson-Labs-The-Very-Finest-Fish-Oil-Lemon-Flavor-16-8-fl-oz-500-ml/2796?at=0
-- Ron
dx: Bipolar II and mild OCPD
600 mg/day Trileptal
200 mg/day Lamictal
500 mg/day Keppra
90 mg/day Nardil
1.9 mg/day Deplin (taken with methyl B-12 and P-5-P)
Dark therapy via LowBlueLight glasses
Several vitamins and supplements
Posted by Ron Hill on March 15, 2010, at 2:01:07
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » Ron Hill, posted by Phillipa on March 13, 2010, at 11:04:16
> Ron I feel congratulations are in order. Wow it's remarkable so happy for you!!!! Phillipa
Thank you, Jan. Hope it continues to work.
Be well, my friend.
-- Ron
Posted by Ron Hill on March 15, 2010, at 2:03:53
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped, posted by Roslynn on March 13, 2010, at 11:32:08
> Hi Ron,
> Just wanted to say I am really happy for you! It's great to hear some good news for a change.Thank you for your kind words, Roslynn.
How are you doing?
-- Ron
Posted by janejane on March 15, 2010, at 13:23:03
In reply to Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » ed_uk2010, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 7:25:22
Congratulations, Ron! What you think of krill oil? Isn't it supposed to pack a bigger punch than fish oil plus include PS? (I like the idea of not having to take as much to get the same benefit.)
Posted by Ron Hill on March 22, 2010, at 2:27:34
In reply to Re: Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » Ron Hill, posted by janejane on March 15, 2010, at 13:23:03
> What you think of krill oil? Isn't it supposed to pack a bigger punch than fish oil plus include PS? (I like the idea of not having to take as much to get the same benefit.)
I've never investigated krill oil. I'll look into it. Thanks.
-- Ron
Posted by Ron Hill on March 22, 2010, at 4:14:56
In reply to Ultra Rapid Cycling Stopped » ed_uk2010, posted by Ron Hill on March 13, 2010, at 7:25:22
> It is hard to explain how happy I am that the ultra rapid cycling has stopped.
I spoke too soon. I have just come out of a mild six day depressive episode.
Therefore, as an add-on to my p-meds, the efficacy of high dosage fish oil and 300 mg/day of phosphatidylserine to tx my ultra rapid cycling bipolar disorder is yet to be determined.
-- Ron
dx: Bipolar II with ultra rapid cycling, and mild OCPD
600 mg/day Trileptal
200 mg/day Lamictal
500 mg/day Keppra
90 mg/day Nardil
1.9 mg/day Deplin (taken with methyl B-12 and P-5-P)
Dark therapy via LowBlueLight glasses
High dosage of fish oil, 300 mg/day phosphatidylserene, and several other vitamins and supplements
Posted by SLS on March 22, 2010, at 6:40:15
In reply to I Spoke Too Quickly -- Ultra Rapid Cycling, posted by Ron Hill on March 22, 2010, at 4:14:56
> > It is hard to explain how happy I am that the ultra rapid cycling has stopped.
>
> I spoke too soon. I have just come out of a mild six day depressive episode.
>
> Therefore, as an add-on to my p-meds, the efficacy of high dosage fish oil and 300 mg/day of phosphatidylserine to tx my ultra rapid cycling bipolar disorder is yet to be determined.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> dx: Bipolar II with ultra rapid cycling, and mild OCPD
>
> 600 mg/day Trileptal
> 200 mg/day Lamictal
> 500 mg/day Keppra
> 90 mg/day Nardil
> 1.9 mg/day Deplin (taken with methyl B-12 and P-5-P)
> Dark therapy via LowBlueLight glasses
> High dosage of fish oil, 300 mg/day phosphatidylserene, and several other vitamins and supplements
>
Even with the best of treatments for ultra rapid cycling affective disorders, it takes awhile before the cycle is completely penetrated and abolished. Don't be too discouraged. The NIH once commented that it can take 6 months or longer.
- Scott
Posted by Ron Hill on March 22, 2010, at 8:26:59
In reply to Re: I Spoke Too Quickly -- Ultra Rapid Cycling » Ron Hill, posted by SLS on March 22, 2010, at 6:40:15
> Even with the best of treatments for ultra rapid cycling affective disorders, it takes awhile before the cycle is completely penetrated and abolished. Don't be too discouraged. The NIH once commented that it can take 6 months or longer.
Thanks, friend.
-- Ron
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