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Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on December 27, 2009, at 19:44:33
Posted by linkadge on December 28, 2009, at 9:19:15
In reply to Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on December 27, 2009, at 19:44:33
I think one of the metabolites of tylenol is a cannabanoid receptor agonist.
Linkiadge
Posted by bleauberry on December 28, 2009, at 18:08:45
In reply to Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on December 27, 2009, at 19:44:33
My believe is that a great number of psychiatrict patients have hidden inflammation as a part of the pathology causing or worsening the symptoms. It makes sense to me that an anti-inflammatory protocol would show some benefits in psychiatry/psychology. While the authors of the article seemed focused on pain, I think they missed the whole inflammation thing.
I know for sure I felt massive improvement of depression while on subtherapeutic doses of Doxycycline, Advil, and hydrocortisone (miniscule). All were too low to be of any significance by themselves. In synergy however they were all basically doing just one thing...anti-inflammatory.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on December 28, 2009, at 21:25:50
In reply to Re: Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by bleauberry on December 28, 2009, at 18:08:45
That's just intreseting to find that out, but I seriously don't think you would have improved antidepressant feeling from Tylenol. I know Tylenol PM is ok for sleep....but I don't understand how tylenol would ease psychological agony, or pain.
Link thanks about the comment! intresting...
rj
Posted by bleauberry on December 29, 2009, at 5:23:45
In reply to Re: Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on December 28, 2009, at 21:25:50
Yeah me too. I totally could not believe something else besides a psychiatrist prescription to help with mental agony/pain and depression stuff.
Until I took DMSA, which cleans out mercury and lead. And felt good, better than an AD.
Until I took low dose cortisol and doxycyline, both of which were acting only as anti-inflammatories at the extreme low doses. And felt good, real good. Doc said my dose of Doxy was too low to be doing any antibiotic work, but that at that dose (50mg) it was acting as an anti-inflammatory.
And until my doctor said his patients that he identifies as having a hidden unsuspected infectious disease feel 95% improvement in their depression on antibiotics and nothing else.
There is a lot more to the story than simply serotonin, dopamine, and psychiatrists.
That's why I believe the best approach is a comprehensive approach from all possible angles. Inflammatory possibilities is just one of those angles.
Though certainly not profound, I have felt a lifting of depression on Advil and coffee at times. Neither alone could do that.
While our psych meds work fairly ok for about half the population, I think the other half needs to widen their vision if they truly want to reach their goals.
> That's just intreseting to find that out, but I seriously don't think you would have improved antidepressant feeling from Tylenol. I know Tylenol PM is ok for sleep....but I don't understand how tylenol would ease psychological agony, or pain.
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> Link thanks about the comment! intresting...
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> rj
Posted by sac on December 29, 2009, at 5:46:48
In reply to Re: Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by bleauberry on December 28, 2009, at 18:08:45
I, too, have come to suspect that inflammation can be a factor in psych illness. I've been on various antidepressants for over 20 years. As I am in my forties now, my problem has become more like ADD with extreme periods of confusion and disorganization at work and home which compounds my constant depression. Just by chance, one day I was having great difficulty focusing at work, and I also had a headache, so I took some Advil. I noticed within the hour, that my ability to focus had improved greatly. Here is where I began searching for the link between inflammation and mood, cognition. I had a trial with hydrocortisone, because I also have adrenal fatigue, but the hydrocortisone seemed to worsen my mood, make me a little anxious. I was only taking 1 mg. (My skin cleared up nicely though)
I am actively pursuing this path in regards to inflammation and hope that I can find the right meds/supplements combo. Even though I have a good psychiatrist and see an alternative MD as well, I pretty much have to figure these things out on my own as do most of us here on babble.
> My believe is that a great number of psychiatrict patients have hidden inflammation as a part of the pathology causing or worsening the symptoms. It makes sense to me that an anti-inflammatory protocol would show some benefits in psychiatry/psychology. While the authors of the article seemed focused on pain, I think they missed the whole inflammation thing.
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> I know for sure I felt massive improvement of depression while on subtherapeutic doses of Doxycycline, Advil, and hydrocortisone (miniscule). All were too low to be of any significance by themselves. In synergy however they were all basically doing just one thing...anti-inflammatory.
Posted by Netch on December 29, 2009, at 11:09:27
In reply to Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on December 27, 2009, at 19:44:33
rjlockhart04-08, thanx for the article.
NSAID is an interesting subject. Unfortunately some increase the risk of cardiovascular disease or gastric ulcers.
Posted by Iansf on December 29, 2009, at 18:46:08
In reply to Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on December 27, 2009, at 19:44:33
2g/d of Tylenol has its own dangers, including liver damage if you also drink alcohol. Though the danger is typically not present at levels below 4g/d, and usually only at 6-8g/d, a small number of individuals may have a lower threshold. If you try this, you'd best be aware of the signs of liver problems.
On the chance that chronic inflammation does play a role in depression, does anyone know the safest, most effective prophylactic for treating/preventing it?
Posted by Netch on January 1, 2010, at 3:38:38
In reply to Re: Tylenol article for treating depression » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Iansf on December 29, 2009, at 18:46:08
Licofelone will probably be the most effective once it hits the market.
Posted by casse on January 1, 2010, at 18:54:35
In reply to Re: Tylenol article for treating depression, posted by bleauberry on December 28, 2009, at 18:08:45
>My believe is that a great number of psychiatrict patients have hidden inflammation as a part of the pathology causing or worsening the symptoms. It makes sense to me that an anti-inflammatory protocol would show some benefits in psychiatry/psychology. While the authors of the article seemed focused on pain, I think they missed the whole inflammation thing.
Acetaminophen is not an anti-inflamatory.
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