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Posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2009, at 20:44:43
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 22, 2009, at 16:41:33
Makes sense to me and with prozac having such a long half life I'd think it hard to switch brands as the old would still be in your stystem. Phillipa
Posted by mtdewcmu on December 22, 2009, at 21:12:46
In reply to generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by janejane on December 22, 2009, at 8:57:11
This is slightly off-topic, but have you noticed with Prozac how it hits you really hard for about 1-2 hours after you take it and then it fades away to background levels? I know the pharmacological reason why it does that, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has noticed. Valium is similar in that respect.
Posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2009, at 21:43:32
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 22, 2009, at 21:12:46
That never happened to me with either. Babblemail me? Or turn yours on? Just want to ask a question about meds. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by mtdewcmu on December 22, 2009, at 22:39:41
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences » mtdewcmu, posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2009, at 21:43:32
> That never happened to me with either. Babblemail me? Or turn yours on? Just want to ask a question about meds. Thanks Phillipa
My babblemail is now on.
Posted by manic666 on December 23, 2009, at 4:19:49
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 22, 2009, at 22:39:41
it was many years ago i was on the real prozac, but for the first time in years i felt good,i was a thin cool looking guy an the prozac soon altered that, i could eat for once an keep it down as anxierty was so bad before i would throw up. now i was getting food an boy i banged on the weight.thats another story, but when the generic came out, i took the script to the pharmacy an he cave me a generic, i said i dont want this , whats the score .HE said prozac was £16 a box more.i took the script back an the doc wrote prozac on it, so the pharmacy had to give it me. but it didnt last long before they forced me on the generic . Now i never looked who made them all i can remember is the different coulors every time as the pharmacies looked for the cheapest,6 years ago i tried to go back on generic prozac an was violantly sick for 3 days none stop ,i had to nuke it.let it wash an tried again, same it was if it rejected it as soon as the capsule broke.
Posted by manic666 on December 23, 2009, at 4:27:54
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 22, 2009, at 22:39:41
an may i say i didnt have the chance to try different suppliers, as i was scripted every month, so i could not try another brand till the next script.could have took a year to find one ,if i found one at all,thats england for you.that why a carnt add any meds without the srinks say so. if it goes wrong , an they find add ons in my blood.you will get nothing only a //shut the door on your way out.///
Posted by janejane on December 23, 2009, at 9:56:35
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by bleauberry on December 22, 2009, at 16:22:16
> There is real simple logic here.
>
> Start with brand prozac. That's because you already know it and trust it. If something doesn't go right with it, then you know things have changed, the game is different now. The prozac didn't change, you did. But if it works like it used to, then at least you have a solid dependable base to work from.
>
> Now assuming it works, then switch to a generic and see what happens. If it does not go well, get back on brand and stabilize. Once stabilized, choose a different generic. See what happens. Repeat this cycle until you find a good generic that agrees with you. Somewhere along the line I think you will find a particular generic that works well. But you have to start with the brand first.
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> The generics have enough differences among them that it would be a total blind crapshoot trying one after another. Makes no sense. You gotta start with the brand so you have a reference point of comparison.That totally makes sense, Bleauberry. :-) I was actually thinking the same thing myself, though another strategy might be to try a well-regarded generic first, and then go to the branded if it didn't work.
I actually found about a month's worth of the original prozac in my cupboard the other day. At some point I transfered it to an unlabeled bottle so I really have no idea how old it is, though I'm guessing it's pre-2001 (when generics came out). A previous PB thread I found suggests that it's probably fine, but I'm still a little wary of taking it. It's very tempting, though, since getting my hands on some real prozac now would involve some hassle with my insurance company.
Thanks to everyone who has commented so far. Keep it coming. ;-)
Posted by bleauberry on December 23, 2009, at 18:52:27
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences » mtdewcmu, posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2009, at 20:44:43
> Makes sense to me and with prozac having such a long half life I'd think it hard to switch brands as the old would still be in your stystem. Phillipa
Well, as usual in many things in life, what appears to make sense can actually be wrong and deceptive, leading us off in an erroneous thought pattern that completely appears to make perfect sense at the time.
Prozac for me, and others, has an immediate "kick" for a few hours after dosing. The generic does not have that kick.
When I was unknowingly switched to generic, I was already relapsing long before the halflife of the old brand was exhausted. It was very easy to tell the difference between the two.
The halflives makes a fun table topic, but proved irrelevant in the world of reality. You can tell within 3 days, and even on the first day.
Generics (3 different ones) make me swell up badly, bringing on a vicious attack of tendonitis that was healed years ago. Brand does no such thing.
Generics feel lethargic and dull. Brand feels peppy and nice.
Why is that?
It has to be asked.
Posted by Phillipa on December 23, 2009, at 20:38:13
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by bleauberry on December 23, 2009, at 18:52:27
Blue don't know just know when prozac first out wasn't depressed but some anxiety low doses of benzos day l wallpapered foyer had the paper for three years, day two anxious, day three shear panic. Went off and took three days for the med to allow me to feel normal again with extra xanax. So was thinking maybe generic wouldn't be as strong? Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on December 24, 2009, at 4:19:40
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on December 23, 2009, at 20:38:13
phillipa you think every meds to strong, you have a fear of meds ,an get yourself into panick situations, the start ups on any are bad , but YOU just carnt get through them///.So until you nuke the med phobia you have no chance.when i took prozac years ago ,i felt like death ,but i didnt want to feel like i did before takeing prozac,so a dug my heels in a battled it out.every thing takes an age with me prozac about 9 weeks . then i woke one morning an i was in a beuatiful place. and i forgot the 9 weeks of sh*t in seconds. long live the real prozac life saver of thousand,s
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2009, at 20:13:50
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by manic666 on December 24, 2009, at 4:19:40
Manic not a single side effect with luvox first time and got up to 250mg. Then when thyroid went could no long tolerate that high a dose. Chemical changes in my body. Phillipa ps wasn't depressed when on the prozac felt great. It was new and first SSRI and the doc wanted to try it on me. For me it didn't work. Phillipa
Posted by sac on December 27, 2009, at 8:32:55
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by bleauberry on December 23, 2009, at 18:52:27
Been on Prozac, brand and generics for basically 18 years, generics are not as good as the brand. I have never felt the same good effects from generics, only more side effects like lethargy and weakness, dullness. The only generic I suppose I did well on was Dista, which until reading these posts, I did not realize was a generic. I though it was the brand Prozac. But this was 15 years ago, now I can't even get Dista. I am taking Sandoz brand currently, but not thrilled with it. I might actually consider trying to get the brand again. Generics are not equivalent in my opinion. By the way, I also take bupropion and had to insist on the brand as well. The generic is like a whole different medication. How do they get away with that?
Posted by mtdewcmu on December 27, 2009, at 10:42:42
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by sac on December 27, 2009, at 8:32:55
> Been on Prozac, brand and generics for basically 18 years, generics are not as good as the brand. I have never felt the same good effects from generics, only more side effects like lethargy and weakness, dullness. The only generic I suppose I did well on was Dista, which until reading these posts, I did not realize was a generic. I though it was the brand Prozac. But this was 15 years ago, now I can't even get Dista. I am taking Sandoz brand currently, but not thrilled with it. I might actually consider trying to get the brand again. Generics are not equivalent in my opinion. By the way, I also take bupropion and had to insist on the brand as well. The generic is like a whole different medication. How do they get away with that?
Have you tried Aplenzin? It appears to be made using the same technology as Wellbutrin XL. And it's backed up by a tier 1 drug company, Sanofi Aventis. (Although it says on the bottle that it's manufactured by a third party.)
I have a supply of 348mg Aplenzins, but I stopped taking that much bupropion due to insomnia. So now I am taking a 150mg Budeprion (Teva).
Posted by Phillipa on December 27, 2009, at 19:53:46
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 27, 2009, at 10:42:42
Seems that it's possible that soon only generics will be available if this health plan passes. Phillipa ps unless your're wealthy
Posted by mtdewcmu on December 27, 2009, at 21:30:41
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by Phillipa on December 27, 2009, at 19:53:46
> Seems that it's possible that soon only generics will be available if this health plan passes. Phillipa ps unless your're wealthy
As far as I can tell, the health bill will be good for almost everyone. There is nothing like a ban on name-brand meds in it. I don't think it will change their price or availability.
Posted by Phillipa on December 27, 2009, at 22:00:36
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 27, 2009, at 21:30:41
No just insurance government will probably not provide coverage for name brands. Hense out of pocket expense. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on December 28, 2009, at 4:21:41
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences » mtdewcmu, posted by Phillipa on December 27, 2009, at 22:00:36
if you have a heath plan simular to england.you will get NO named brands, only generic,s you only got real prozac years ago because the it was the only one of its kind.you carnt go in to a gp an say i will pay the extra for the brand name. it dont work like that.the heath plan will be cheaper for you ,bbbbbbut you only get the generic,s If you want the real med you will have to drop out the plan as the gp will not except anything he dont supply, like i said if i had a blood test an they found different meds in my blood,he has the power to stop all you meds, as you are not following his instructions ,right or wrong.//they will change your med// , but only to another generic, we have private health sceem,s that cost the earth, but you can get the real deal .so in therory its a scam , if you have no money you get the health plan an the generic,s if you have money , you say stick your plan ,i go it on my own get the real meds an pay a fortune, the coverment has you by the balls.but dont forget in the plan you dont pay for any test,s or shrinks, an if like me on sick credit pay no meds, if you work you pay about £7 an item ,no more no less
Posted by mtdewcmu on December 28, 2009, at 13:57:06
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by manic666 on December 28, 2009, at 4:21:41
> if you have a heath plan simular to england <snip>
We're not going to get a health plan similar to England. It's not even on the table.
The vast majority of people in the US will continue to have private insurance. It's not even clear that there will be a government option -- the House bill has a public plan, but the Senate bill doesn't. And even if a public plan passes, only a relatively small percentage of people will have the government plan.
If there is a public plan in the US, it will probably be similar to Medicare. Does anyone have Medicare here? Do they allow you to substitute brand name drugs when there is a generic available?
Posted by Phillipa on December 28, 2009, at 19:44:11
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 28, 2009, at 13:57:06
I do and if I pay out of pocket can have all the name brands. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on December 28, 2009, at 20:57:28
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences » mtdewcmu, posted by Phillipa on December 28, 2009, at 19:44:11
Also medicaire doesn't pay for benzos they are all out of pocket. You don't submit claims for them just pay the pharmacist. Phillipa
Posted by mtdewcmu on December 29, 2009, at 0:34:10
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by Phillipa on December 28, 2009, at 20:57:28
> Also medicaire doesn't pay for benzos they are all out of pocket. You don't submit claims for them just pay the pharmacist. Phillipa
Well then I wouldn't expect any of that to change with this bill. No one is going to take away your ability to buy name brand drugs with your own money.
Posted by manic666 on December 29, 2009, at 3:33:17
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 29, 2009, at 0:34:10
on the nhs ruth just picked up my meds,//196 ativan,//28 100mg sertraline,//28 50mg sertraline//,arthrotec for arthritis,// colesterol tabs,// an thyriod tabs, AL OF THESE WERE FREE ON NHS. how much would it cost you if you payed for a months supply like that.
Posted by janejane on December 29, 2009, at 6:16:45
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by mtdewcmu on December 29, 2009, at 0:34:10
> > Also medicaire doesn't pay for benzos they are all out of pocket. You don't submit claims for them just pay the pharmacist. Phillipa
>
> Well then I wouldn't expect any of that to change with this bill. No one is going to take away your ability to buy name brand drugs with your own money.
>I read that they had negotiated with manufacturers for brand-name drugs to be half price for Medicare recipients starting next year. They also plan to close the so-called doughnut hole (read article below for details). So there should actually be easier access to branded drugs through Medicare compared to how it is now.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/11/17/medicare-doughnut-hole/
And just to clarify, there would probably be Medicare budget cuts, but they wouldn't directly affect beneficiaries, mostly insurance companies. Seniors would actually get more benefits under the reform bills, like free preventive care.
I don't usually like to talk politics (touchy subject) but thought I would share this info since I think many seniors are getting scared about this when they probably shouldn't. AARP has actually endorsed both the house and senate plans and you know they have seniors' best interest at heart. My Mom will for sure save money if it passes. There are definitely some things in both reform bills that I don't like, but for seniors, I think it will be mostly positive.
Posted by West on December 29, 2009, at 17:16:34
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences, posted by manic666 on December 28, 2009, at 4:21:41
Do you know about the pre-payment certificates on the NHS? I think they're about £80-90 a year. It might work out cheaper depending on how many presciptions you need...
W
Posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2009, at 19:23:31
In reply to Re: generic prozac manufacturer preferences » manic666, posted by West on December 29, 2009, at 17:16:34
Jane good to know. Right now the meds I take. Luvox is free don't know why but is, the benzos cost total for both $16.00 for a month and I get them prescribed at a higher dose to save money and break them and save rest, the synthroid namebrand is $16.00 a month. So out of pocket $32.00 not bad. I don't take any other meds supplements but pay for them. Phillipa
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