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Posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2009, at 19:12:27
In reply to Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by Maxime on October 18, 2009, at 17:20:01
Maxie what about the haldol you took in the past if remember correctly? Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on October 19, 2009, at 20:32:01
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 14:33:14
Maxie, I think it's too difficult to od if that's what he might be worried about. Maybe he can prescribe enough for a few days at a time?
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Posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 20:43:13
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2009, at 19:12:27
I've never taken Haldol before. It's not something I want to try due to TD.
Posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 20:44:10
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on October 19, 2009, at 20:32:01
> Maxie, I think it's too difficult to od if that's what he might be worried about. Maybe he can prescribe enough for a few days at a time?
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> fbYes, that is probably what I would get him to do. Just a few days at a time.
Posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 11:45:03
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on October 19, 2009, at 20:44:10
My pdoc doesn't want to prescribe anything for me until he sees me. I got an appointment for Friday morning. I will be a babbling idiot by then if I don't get any sleep.
Posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2009, at 19:22:17
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones., posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 11:45:03
Oops sorry it was thorazine just googled sorry Maxie. Phillipa
Posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:29:05
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » MAxime, posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2009, at 19:22:17
> Oops sorry it was thorazine just googled sorry Maxie. Phillipa
That's ok. I would take some thorazine but the pharmacy told me not to take it with the Parnate. Anyhow, I've been off the Thorazine for a while now. I miss. it.
Posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:30:54
In reply to Re: Barbituates for sleep? Which ones. » MAxime, posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2009, at 19:22:17
So when I see my pdoc on Friday I am going to ask for Ativan. I really hate taking a benzo, but this lack of sleep is getting dangerous. So what is the usual dosage of Ativan for sleep? 1 mg? More?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2009, at 19:46:17
In reply to How much Ativan?., posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:30:54
It varies just like all meds. Some need tiny doses I need large ones or did as when the luvox was at 250mg I needed 4-6mg of ativan. Off that I'd need much less as benzos now make me tired. Try since no sleep for so long lmg. Play with dose. That's only my opinion. Love Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on October 21, 2009, at 20:34:51
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » MAxime, posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2009, at 19:46:17
Thanks for responding Phillipa. I just needed to know approx. what the dosage should be because I don't always trust my pdoc to put it high enough. God, I can't wait until Friday night when I can take it! That is if my pdoc will give it to me.
Posted by yxibow on October 23, 2009, at 0:33:58
In reply to How much Ativan?., posted by MAxime on October 20, 2009, at 22:30:54
> So when I see my pdoc on Friday I am going to ask for Ativan. I really hate taking a benzo, but this lack of sleep is getting dangerous. So what is the usual dosage of Ativan for sleep? 1 mg? More?
>
> Thanks in advance.I've been there, and I'm still there with a sleep disorder, its just at this point the Seroquel covers things, but not always.
Ativan is a quick fix for sleep -- in time, months to years, you'll habituate, and I don't really recommend short term benzodiazepines for continuous use as they won't be around when you are in real need of anxiety help (this includes Xanax, which is even shorter acting).
There are benzodiazepines that are more suited for sleep, Restoril, Dalamane (very strong).
But not to be disparaging, from some of your postings in the past, and I won't bring up why, I would be very concerned if you were taking barbiturates.
Lack of sleep by itself is not dangerous. By this I am not saying that one should get out on the highway or drive a commercial vehicle without sleep.But sleep is self-correcting. It is not a pleasant experience to go through sleep deprivation, but at all costs avoid naps, or any stimulant, caffeine or otherwise. Its just a matter of when the clock can correct itself.
And your medication may be playing a fair role in this too.
Good sleep hygiene also includes not working on the computer, TV, stimulating activity before bedtime. I know, a lot of us get into this habit, I could speak myself.
Getting enrolled into a sleep study if your insurance can possibly provide for it would be very revealing.Sleep and depression (and other psychiatric disorders) have their links. There can be other reasons.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that do, go get some short term relief, but ask your psychiatrist and/or your GP for a longer term referral to a sleep expert if possible.
Something like Lunesta 3mg would be a better choice, but if you want to use Ativan, probably 1mg at bedtime.
-- tidings.
Posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 19:35:15
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » MAxime, posted by yxibow on October 23, 2009, at 0:33:58
Thanks. To be honest I AM looking for a quick fix to sleep. I don't plan on taking Ativan for ever .. just to get me out of this cycle.
I took 2 mg as prescribed when I got home and it wasn't enough to make sleep .... just really out of and stoned. I guess I will try 4 mg tonight.
Posted by floatingbridge on October 23, 2009, at 20:03:50
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » yxibow, posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 19:35:15
Maxime,
Could you add it with a longer acting sleep aid? I know (I think) that Lunesta is unavailable. Do you react favorably to ambien?
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Posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:19:23
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on October 23, 2009, at 20:03:50
We don't have lunesta or ambien available in Canada. We have something similar to Lunesta called immovate but it never did anything for me. But in theory, I would be good to combine meds. I just don't know which ones. :(
Posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:35:00
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » MAxime, posted by yxibow on October 23, 2009, at 0:33:58
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> There are benzodiazepines that are more suited for sleep, Restoril, Dalamane (very strong).
>Restoril does not nothing to me and Dalamane isn't available in Canada. I don't have many options.
Posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:38:15
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?., posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:35:00
Spelling is everything. It's Dalmane and we have it in Canada. Maybe I will try that next.
Posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:58:17
In reply to Re: How much Ativan?. » MAxime, posted by yxibow on October 23, 2009, at 0:33:58
Hi, have you used the Dalmane before? Would you recommend 15 mg or 30 mg? Thanks.
Posted by yxibow on October 23, 2009, at 21:13:51
In reply to How many mg of Dalmane? » yxibow, posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:58:17
> Hi, have you used the Dalmane before? Would you recommend 15 mg or 30 mg? Thanks.
Yes, in the past years ago when I was fairly benzodiazepine-naive (that means I hadn't taken very many benzodiazepines and I didn't need stronger medications.)
I think I took (flurazepam) up to 30mg once and it scared the crap out of me -- not to put a damper on things... what I mean I guess is that it was VERY effective in pulling me under.
I would start with 15mg personally, but discuss with your doctor how much flurazepam he would be willing.
-- tidings
Posted by Maxime on October 24, 2009, at 11:05:05
In reply to How many mg of Dalmane? » yxibow, posted by Maxime on October 23, 2009, at 20:58:17
It took 6 mg of Ativan, but I did it. I still feel like sh*t, but my guess is that it will take a couple of good sleeps until I feel better. Right now I have a killer headache.
Posted by metafunj on October 24, 2009, at 13:57:40
In reply to I slept for 12 hours, posted by Maxime on October 24, 2009, at 11:05:05
I'm glad to hear something worked. I was worried cuz not sleeping can be very dangerous. I'm sure the antidepressant effect will be stronger once you start to sleep more as well.
Posted by Maxime on October 24, 2009, at 14:34:24
In reply to Re: I slept for 12 hours » Maxime, posted by metafunj on October 24, 2009, at 13:57:40
I hope the AD effect is stronger once I get some sleep under my belt. :) Thank you.
Posted by manic 666 on October 25, 2009, at 12:50:09
In reply to I slept for 12 hours, posted by Maxime on October 24, 2009, at 11:05:05
you no my take on ativan, its my lover ,an life saver , plus an addiction i carnt shift. i still take 4mg a day,, 2mg 3 hours before bed , still works after years,6mg its a wonder you didnt wake up 3 days later ,if first time.You can get stable on ativan ,but its addiction is swift, i was on 10mg a day. you dont ever want to detox ativan its every nightmare you think an worse. 1 month on 4 to 6 mg you are addicted no b*llsh*t
Posted by Maxime on October 25, 2009, at 17:25:08
In reply to Re: I slept for 12 hours, posted by manic 666 on October 25, 2009, at 12:50:09
The 6 mg didn't make me sleep last night. I don't know what to do.
Posted by Phillipa on October 25, 2009, at 18:39:44
In reply to Re: I slept for 12 hours, posted by Maxime on October 25, 2009, at 17:25:08
Try it again at least you did get some sleep if doesn't work call. Love Phillipa
Posted by manic 666 on October 26, 2009, at 4:42:47
In reply to Re: I slept for 12 hours, posted by Maxime on October 25, 2009, at 18:25:08
dont keep sticking 6mg off ativan down your neck , or you will soon be in trouble.the max a english gp will give is what i take 4mg a day.try to space them out through the day so you relax , its no use knocking yourself out with 6mg ,you just wake with a thumping headace like a hangover,If took to hospital with panick attack they only give you 2mg an send you home.add some herb valerian to your day its not great but it does help, not to much or the toilet needs to be handy.at night if you take ativan , dont take it as you go to bed.The 2mg i take is 3 hours before bed , chill with some tv or music an let it work slow. You take six an bam asleep for 2 hours ,wake up an crave more,better to be child than out your head,try an find a ad with a good anxierty record.
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