![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
[email protected]Shown: posts 29 to 53 of 55. Go back in thread:
Posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 23:30:54
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:19:08
Well doctors might be getting sued-maybe a case went thru recently that had a lot of significance for doctors who prescribe these types of drugs, something we don't know about.
But Hang on, still searching...
There was a lot of new drug regulation passed at the end of October 2007:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:126:./temp/~c110bVsr6A::
I don't know what the implications are for PDocs though, but there is way too much to read thru.
Posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 23:43:17
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:19:08
Jerry,
I just noticed your drug was a schedule III, while mine is a schedule II. yeah I wonder about that.
This isn't what I was looking for, but they actually post some of the doctor's names who violate the Controlled Substances act. That's brutal!
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/crim_admin_actions/admin_2007.htm
Posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 23:45:54
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:19:08
Maybe this is why-could be that the DEA is giving doctors a hard time recently.
"The DEA is currently reviewing a petition to increase the regulatory controls on hydrocodone combination products from schedule III to schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA)."
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/hydrocodone/hydrocodone.htm
Posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 23:51:52
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 23:43:17
Oh! the horror! a drug that enhances mood and energy for the depressed!
"Methamphetamine is chemically and pharmacologically similar to amphetamine although it has more potent effects on the CNS that can last for 6 to 8 hours. Methamphetamine increases the release of the neurotransmitter, dopamine, which stimulates brain cells, enhancing mood and energy."
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/meth.htm
lol I have to stop this. I have way too much to do, but this topic got me interested.
Posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:56:12
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 23:51:52
> Oh! the horror! a drug that enhances mood and energy for the depressed!
>EXACTLY. I've been severely depressed and anxious the past month. today was the worst. Luckily I found two Vicodin. I took one hours ago and am feeling back to normal. I see a new pdoc next month, I wonder how he'll react when he sees in my chart that I'd been prescribed hydrocodone for DEPRESSION for the past 3-4 years.
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 0:10:43
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 23:51:52
There's tons of these cases, and for Vicodin, but they don't show 2008 or 2009. I wonder if the DEA has been investigating doctors or if there has been a large increase in prosecutions. Wouldn't being investigated, alone scare them away? I would think so.
I don't know what "good faith" in determining medical necessity of a controlled substance would be for some doctors, esp. PDocs. There really aren't that many tests to do for pain and psych symptoms; seems they'd have to rely on the patients' self-reporting. That must be a tough position to be in.
In some of these cases, what the doctors were accused of doing was f-ed up, but some of them I wonder...if they are just cracking down on doctors who are liberal at prescribing these types of drugs. The DEA did indicate on their web site that they were currently changing the enforcement regarding Vicodin...that might be your answer.
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/crim_admin_actions/crim_actions.htm
Name:
BILYEU, Stuart W., DO
City, State:
Southfield, MI
Date of Arrest:
07/20/2005
Date of Conviction:
04/12/2006
Judicial Status:
Pled Guilty
Conviction:
Unlawful Distribution of a Controlled Substance
DEA Registration:
Expired 07/31/2006
Remarks:
Stuart W. Bilyeu, DO, age 46, of Southfield, MI, pled guilty to the unlawful distribution of hydrocodone, a Schedule III controlled substance. According to court records, the defendant admitted that he prescribed without medical necessity or justification quantities of controlled substances to patients. For example, in October, 2004, the defendant wrote a prescription for #120 Vicodin to an individual, without any good faith attempt to determine the legitimate medical needs of the patient. From January 2003 until May 10, 2005, Bilyeu prescribed without medical necessity or justification 100 dosage units of oxycodone 80mg; 100 dosage units of Dilaudid, 20,000 Schedule III drugs, and 40, 000 Schedule IV drugs.Bilyeu was sentenced to five years imprisonment, followed by three years of supervised release.
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 0:40:04
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:56:12
They really seem to be focusing on vicodin.
On one web page, the DEA said they are taking action due to the proliferation of prescription drugs to non-patients, yet on another, they say there is no "crackdown" on physicians.
I'd def. check your state laws though to see if something has recently changed. That might explain your doctors recent behavior. I even feel bad for them they have to deal with this. Of course I feel bad for us, too.
----------------
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/notices/2006/fr09062.htm
Another source of data presented by SAMHSA is that collected by the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), which provides national estimates of drug related visits to hospital emergency departments. According to DAWN, for 2004:
Nearly 1.3 million emergency department (ED) visits in 2004 were associated with drug misuse/abuse. Nonmedical use of pharmaceuticals was involved in nearly half a million of these ED visits.
Opiates/opioid analgesics (pain killers), such as hydrocodone, oxycodone, and methadone, and benzodiazepines, such as alprazolam and clonazepam, were present in more than 100,000 ED visits associated with nonmedical use of pharmaceuticals in 2004.\5\
A measure of the problem among young people is the 2005 Monitoring the Future (MTF) survey conducted by the University of Michigan.\6\ The MTF survey is funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), a component of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and measures drug abuse among 8th, 10th, and 12th graders. NIDA stated: "While the 2005 survey showed a continuing general decline in drug use, there are continued high rates of non-medical use of prescription medications, especially opioid pain killers. For example, in 2005, 9.5 percent of 12th graders reported using Vicodin in the past year, and 5.5 percent of these students reported using OxyContin in the past year.'' \7\ In announcing the latest MTF survey results, NIH Director Dr. Elias Zerhouni said that "the upward trend in prescription drug abuse is disturbing.'' \8\
DEA also wishes to dispel the mistaken notion among a small number of medical professionals that the agency has embarked on a campaign to "target'' physicians who prescribe controlled substances for the treatment of pain (or that physicians must curb their legitimate prescribing of pain medications to avoid legal liability).The reason this document focuses on the prescribing of controlled substances for the treatment of pain is that there has been considerable interest among members of the public in having DEA address this specific issue.
Each State also has its own laws (administered by State agencies) requiring that a prescription for a controlled substance be issued only for a legitimate medical purpose by State-licensed practitioners acting in the usual course of professional practice.
The Supreme Court has long recognized that an administrative agency responsible for enforcing the law has broad investigative authority,\33\ and courts have recognized that prescribing an "inordinately large quantity of controlled substances'' can be evidence of a violation of the CSA.\34\ DEA therefore, as the agency responsible for administering the CSA, has the legal authority to investigate a suspicious prescription of any quantity.
---------------------------------------------
\33\ Morton Salt, 338 U.S. at 642-643 ("an administrative agency charged with seeing that the laws are enforced'' may "investigate merely on suspicion that the law is being violated, or even just because it wants assurance that it is not.'').
\34\ United States v. Rosen, 582 F.2d at 1036
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 2:35:02
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:56:12
Jerry, I'd suggest you read your state's guidelines for opoid prescribing, and see whether or not your doctor is in line. States apparently have the power to define the medical necessity that govern controlled substances and for establishing stricter policies. I don't know if there is anything about using them for non-pain reasons.
Well I see that you go to pharmacy school-maybe you have or haven't learned about this yet, so just disregard if you already have this info. Maybe someone else could use it here.
http://www.medscape.com/resource/opioid
A Guide to State Opioid Prescribing PoliciesSelect a State...CLOSE [X]
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin
West Virginia
Wyoming
Additional state policies coming soon
Opioids are frequently prescribed to treat pain in patients in the United States. Still, many patients continue to receive inadequate pain relief. This may be due to the fact that physicians are concerned about opioid addiction, tolerance, and organ damage for the patient, and possible prosecution for themselves. Federal and state policies govern the use of opioids and other controlled substances This Resource Center addresses the states' policies that are in place to regulate professional practice and prevent drug abuse. In order to achieve the clinical goals of fair and just pain treatment for all, individuals who are licensed to prescribe, order, dispense, or administer opioids must be fully conversant in the laws and regulations that govern those substances.Legal Disclaimer: The purpose of these summaries is to inform and educate clinicians on the various legal/regulatory materials that govern the use of controlled substances to treat pain. The information contained within these summaries is not intended to serve as specific legal advice, and you should review the source material and consult your local attorney and/or state licensing board to determine the relevance to your practice.
In Focus
Ask the Experts - Withholding Opioids From PatientsOpioid therapy is an accepted treatment; prescribing opioids appropriately will not result in disciplinary sanctions.
Posted by Sigismund on May 30, 2009, at 2:41:19
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 22:19:11
>I'd been on hydrocodone for depression for over 3 years with no problems and he one day decides his insurance won't cover him? I don't get it.
And if I remember correctly, it worked.
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 2:41:58
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:56:12
Oh-one more thing that might be relevant for you. Just in February, some professional group of pain managers codified the use of opoids...but everything I've seen only applies to pain; not depression. That may also be significant. I didn't read this, but you may want to. Good luck, hope you feel better soon.
AAPM 2009: New Opioid Clinical Practice Guidelines Published
Allison GandeyAuthors and Disclosures
February 12, 2009 (Honolulu, Hawaii) A panel of pain-management experts has published the first comprehensive clinical practice guidelines on opioids for the treatment of chronic noncancer pain. The guidelines, which were 2 years in the making, are from the American Pain Society and the American Academy of Pain Medicine and appear in the February issue of the Journal of Pain.
"The expert panel concluded that opioid pain medications are safe and effective for carefully selected, well-monitored patients with chronic noncancer pain," cochair Gilbert Fanciullo, MD, from the Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center, in Lebanon, New Hampshire, said in a news release.
The guidelines were first presented January 28 at the American Academy of Pain Medicine 25th Annual Meeting. Medscape Neurology & Neurosurgery spoke with presenter and cochair Perry Fine, MD, from University of Utah Medical Center, in Salt Lake City.
"This is the first time these issues have been codified in this way," Dr. Fine said. "Of the many issues we tried to confront, key points include the importance of a therapeutic trial, justification for long-term therapy, and continuous reevaluation."
The panel made 25 specific recommendations and reportedly achieved unanimous consensus on nearly all. The group reviewed more than 8000 published abstracts and nonpublished studies to assess clinical evidence.
Weighing the Benefits and Risks
"Decisions about chronic opioid therapy must weigh the benefits of these medications against the risks, which include side effects and adverse outcomes associated with abuse," Dr. Fine said.
Opioids such as morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, and fentanyl are potent analgesics. They traditionally have been used to relieve pain following surgery, from cancer, and at the end of life. Today, opioids are used widely to relieve severe pain caused by chronic low-back injury, accident trauma, arthritis, sickle cell, fibromyalgia, and other painful conditions.
"Regular monitoring of chronic opioid therapy patients is warranted because the therapeutic benefits of these medications are not static and can be affected by changes in the underlying pain condition, coexisting disease, or in psychological or social circumstances," Dr. Fanciullo said.
American Pain Society President Charles Inturrisi, PhD, called the work a milestone collaboration between 2 leading organizations representing pain management.
"This was a big concerted effort," Ajay Wasan, MD, from Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital, in Boston, Massachusetts, said during an interview. Dr. Wasan moderated the session where the guidelines were first presented. "The committee should be commended on an outstanding job."
Dr. Fanciullo reports that he has financial relationships with Medtronic, Janssen, Teva Pharmaceuticals, and Pfizer. Dr. Fine reports that he has financial ties to Alpharma, Cephalon, Endo Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithKline, Lilly, Merck, Ortho-McNeil, Purdue, and Wyeth.
J Pain. 2009;10:131-146. Abstract
[CLOSE WINDOW]
Authors and Disclosures
Author(s)
Allison Gandey
is a senior journalist for
[ CLOSE WINDOW ]
Information
Authors and Disclosures
Allison Gandey
is a senior journalist for
Posted by Sigismund on May 30, 2009, at 2:43:28
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » garnet71, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 29, 2009, at 23:19:08
>i wonder why pdocs can prescribe amphetamines but when it comes to opiates they get all uncomfortable?
Because you are from the USA.
It's not like that here.
If anything, opiates are easier to get here, though not, of course, for depression.
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 4:15:02
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by greywolf on May 29, 2009, at 23:00:10
Not necessarily. I already talked to the one about it, briefly, and the other one I have an appt. with already knows I was sent to him for that reason. They are not oblivious to the reasons you are switching doctors, are suspicious to begin with considering their responsibililty, and they talk among one another. I'm sure any new PDoc I'd see would call the former one. If anyone here thinks their doctor doesn't talk to another on the phone about you, for whatever reason, think again.
Last doctor who prescribed me a benzo, outside of PDoc, was when I was having bronchial spasms from Adderall. I decided to talk to her about drug seeking behavior and told her my PDoc had prescribed me .25 xanax. We had a nice little discussion about the so-called drug-seeking behavior, and she told me a story about one of her patients who was actually drug seeking, and how she got screwed. I walked out of there with .5 Xanax.
If you come across as a sincere person, I found doctors are pretty open and like to talk about other things besides your care. I always talk to my OBGYN about dating, for example, as strange as that may sound. I know what your saying, appreciate it, but honestly, I come across very genuine and its obvious that I'm a very open person because of the things I say, out loud, thinking of some of the conversations I have provoked in the past. I'd rather just say what's on my mind and discuss it in the open, well most of the time, rather than them thinking it, and me thinking it; that creates tension and uncomfortableness that you can sense/feel. When there is comfort and ease in the room, people perceive you as honest and warm.
People like to talk about controversial topics when they feel at ease, and will be more receptive to your bringing up controversial topics when they feel comfy.
Some people are just mean though.
But I guess I'm too much of a chatterbox sometimes, like tonight. lol
ps like your screenname
Posted by greywolf on May 30, 2009, at 4:30:25
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » greywolf, posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 4:15:02
I'm sure you know what you're doing, but these doctors nowadays get continuing education, including litigation management. Asking the question about malpractice insurance might not peg you as a drug seeker, but given the difficulties they face in ever really "curing" anyone with BP or major depression, etc., and the side effect/interaction issues with so many drugs, the question may scare even a good doctor off.
Good luck.
Greywolf
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 12:11:31
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by greywolf on May 30, 2009, at 4:30:25
Greywolf-yeah, you're right. I have to figure out a way to work in that question or issue somehow though because I can't go through years of treatment like that again.
Maybe I'll have to rethink my approach. How would you know otherwise? I do know the doctor I was referred to is ok in that area because my PDoc told me; it's just that perhaps it's the first time in my life i finally have an opportunity to choose a psychiatrist from many, and wanted to find one myself.
Posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 30, 2009, at 17:50:24
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by Sigismund on May 30, 2009, at 2:41:19
> >I'd been on hydrocodone for depression for over 3 years with no problems and he one day decides his insurance won't cover him? I don't get it.
>
>
>
> And if I remember correctly, it worked.Yes very well.
Posted by Sigismund on May 30, 2009, at 18:02:25
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » Sigismund, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 30, 2009, at 17:50:24
> > >I'd been on hydrocodone for depression for over 3 years with no problems and he one day decides his insurance won't cover him? I don't get it.
> >
> >
> >
> > And if I remember correctly, it worked.
>
> Yes very well.Over a protracted period of time too.
Posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 30, 2009, at 18:13:34
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » jerrypharmstudent, posted by Sigismund on May 30, 2009, at 18:02:25
> > > >I'd been on hydrocodone for depression for over 3 years with no problems and he one day decides his insurance won't cover him? I don't get it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And if I remember correctly, it worked.
> >
> > Yes very well.
>
> Over a protracted period of time too.Almost 4 years - never abused it and never became tolerant. Helped my motivation, social functioning, anxiety, depression, sleep, creativity, concentration, etc.
Posted by Sigismund on May 30, 2009, at 18:23:16
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify » Sigismund, posted by jerrypharmstudent on May 30, 2009, at 18:13:34
We are squeezed between the pharmaceutical and drug abuse control industries.
They seem to be the limiting factors in what can be prescribed and what society will tolerate.
Posted by desolationrower on May 30, 2009, at 19:25:17
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by garnet71 on May 29, 2009, at 22:42:39
> Hmmm. Maybe new federal laws with the Obama admin? That's strange after 3 years, he'd refuse. or check your state laws. If I get around to it, I'll check mine...
i'd think i'd be the other way probably, although i don't think the DEA post has been filled yet (i remember drug 'czar' is for less 'drug war'). as far as malpractice, i don't think anything would be different, and changes that might be up ahead would probably lower malpractice, both because suing for malpractice is sort of a saftey net, in that its often done because the person who was injured wouldn't otherwise be able to pay for hte medical care they need to fix/mitigate things, so a more universal care system would reduce the need; also obama has (while trying to find replicans who might support a health plan) brought up malpractice as a GOP type of issue that he'd be willing to compromise on.
-d/r
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 23:17:06
In reply to Re: Need an alternative to Abilify, posted by greywolf on May 30, 2009, at 4:30:25
Greywolf - You seem to always have a lot of practical advice. Do you have any suggestions on how to find a PDoc w/good malpractice insurance? I thought about this more and I really can't think of any other way to approach the issue besides to ask directly.
I met a legal nurse consultant tonight (at a social event not someone I sought out to consult) who verified the malpractice issue is a huge deal in my state-it's actually considered a medical crisis here (makes you wonder why the problem isn't fixed).
The problem is,I don't have resources to pay doctors $150, $300 for initial visits, only to find out they will only prescribe me xxRIs-drugs that debilitate me. I have insurance now, but $1000 deductible. I am guessing, but not sure, I will only have to pay doctor fees that equate to the lower fees insurance companies have to pay, rather than when you pay cash and are charged twice as much as insurance companies pay. Maybe the $300/$150 fees will be less after it goes through insurance, but i'm not sure. I don't want to call them about it.
I have 2 upcoming appts. with 2 new psychiatrists-I know I probably should wait and see how it goes, but I'm getting anxious about it after all these bad experiences over the years. I'm told one of the PDocs has good malpractice insurance, though my PDoc who referred me to him was already wrong about one aspect of this guy's practice, I can't just trust what he casually says. I'm also scared I'm going to be considered a drug seeker because of one prescription (d-amp) I already take that has worked better than any and all treatments doctors had decided for me over several years.
I can't let my treament slip, or I'm in big trouble here. I'm already on the verge of losing everything and the security I worked my *ss off my whole life for. In fact, I don't even think I'll be able to get a job in my field when I finish grad school because my credit, which I worked hard to build a perfect history, is now totally ruined.
Posted by Neal on May 30, 2009, at 23:38:40
In reply to Question for Greywolf » greywolf, posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 23:17:06
has any doc been sued for say, cutting off a patient's benzo?
Posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 23:57:46
In reply to Re: Question for Garnet, posted by Neal on May 30, 2009, at 23:38:40
I have no idea, I didn't research that issue. I'm primarily worried that I'm going to go to new doctors, and be prescribed those same drugs, have no money, have to wait a month or 2 for an appt. with another, and going through all these doctors and eventually having no meds at all and no ability to function. I don't know what happened to me, except that my recent trials of SSRIs slowly took away my motivation to do normal life tasks, and after 3 months, it got to the point i had zero motivation to get out of bed. When I quit the drugs, I got some of my motivation back, but have a permanent, substantial decrease in motivation and ability to function.
Maybe this is part of my anxiety, worrying about it. But it's had an extreme effect upon my life, and I'm trying to figure out what to do to prevent it from happening again.
Posted by garnet71 on May 31, 2009, at 0:25:45
In reply to Re: Question for Garnet, posted by Neal on May 30, 2009, at 23:38:40
It just dawned on me that I am very scared at the potential loss of control over my own life.
I'm scared that I am now dependent upon another person for my well being-a doctor. I'm scared that someone else can have control over my mental health. I can't write my own scripts, but am now dependent upon meds to function. I can't be dependent on another person for my well being.
Come to think of it, fearing the loss of control over myself because someone else has authority that trumps my own personal decisions and control over any particular aspect of my life is the whole root of my anxiety disorder. I haven't thought about this in a while, but just figured that out about a year ago. At the time, it was like an epiphany, but I've since forgotten about this...It does make a lot of sense, a child has no control over being abused, which is one reason why I quit being a child by the time I was 10 years old.
I going to find a therapist next week.
Sorry to highjack your thread Jerry, which I just realized i did. But it somehow led to this conclusion that I need therapy right now to deal with this. I think I'm going to quit discussing this, at least right here, until I find a therapist to talk to. I feel relieved in a sense though, that by talking about this over the past 2 days, I identified the big picture here. It's all about being dependent upon another person, and not having autonomy over my situation. Wow, this is a pretty intense realization.
Posted by greywolf on May 31, 2009, at 1:48:43
In reply to Question for Greywolf » greywolf, posted by garnet71 on May 30, 2009, at 23:17:06
Garnet:
I found my psychiatrist first by talking to my GP, who agreed that I needed someone who was a pharmaceutical expert. He recommended two doctors.
I then sat down with my therapist (who was also a researcher at the university) and asked for the names of psychiatrists who are known for their expertise with medication. She gave me the name of a doctor who supposedly was the best in the region and who was also a published researcher. This just happened to be one of the two names my GP had given me.
It took about six weeks for me to get an appointment with him, but it was worth the wait. He listened well, made clear to me what he expected of me during treatment, and explained his approach to prescribing medication. He even ordered a listing of all prescribed medications I'd taken over the past several years from my pharmacy so that he could see if I had stuck with each to at least a therapeutic level and to catch gaps in my compliance (discontinuing meds without telling my prior doctor).
I didn't ask about malpractice insurance or lawsuits. My concern was expertise. I still don't know anything about those subjects. I just know that I am being treated by a very careful, knowledgeable practitioner who I trust implicitly.
I don't know if there's any truth to this, but you might want to find out if your potential psychiatrist does any current research in pharmacology. I would imagine that if he/she does, they'll have more than sufficient malpractice insurance. I would also inquire as to whether your potential doctor is currently in a working relationship with a reputable college or university. In my personal view, teaching or researching (particularly anything with pharmaceuticals) suggests a currency with new meds and treatments that other doctors might ( I stress might) not have.
Greywolf
Posted by garnet71 on May 31, 2009, at 16:58:27
In reply to Re: Question for Greywolf, posted by greywolf on May 31, 2009, at 1:48:43
That is certainly useful advice, thank you. I used google scholar to check out the 2 pdocs I have appts. w/- no research published (that I'm aware of), although the one I'm seeing this week told me he concentrates of psychotherapy rather than expertise in psychopharmacology; I thought that was a bit odd, but I'm interested in hearing what he has to say.
I have had experiences where general practitioners have referred me to specialists they hardly know. But that is an option I didn't try out yet. For the past few years, I haven't had a close relationship with my GP. No matter what I presented with, he always attributed my symptoms to anxiety. I refer myself to specialists when I think it is necessary, which is a good thing because an endocronologist verified my suspicions with tests that I have hormonal problems.
I don't particularly like being repetitive, but it does make a difference here where I live about the malpractice ins; while I'm concerned about expertise, this incentive has guided my care. I cannot possibly believe that a PDoc is incompetent enough to only think that SxRIs and buspar are the only effective treatments for severe anxiety when there are so many other types of psychotrips others use. They are not stupid. Not all are good problem solvers, perhaps, but the fact that they are only willing to use SxRIs is a big deal.
I really like how your doctor checked your pharmacy history, explained treatment, etc. I've never had a PDoc do anything but listen to me for a few mintues and write a script. I've made a note of that, and it seems much more professional and intensive.
There's a huge medical industry here and medical school known for psychiatric treatment, so most of the PDocs in my city are affiliated with it, and most have graduated from this med school. It doesn't necessarily mean better treatment, but I can pull of the list of doctor's again and check out the research journals. I think i gave similar advice to someone else before, don't know how this completely slipped my mind. lol
I wonder how you find a good GP?
Thanks.
Go forward in thread:
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
[email protected]
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.