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Posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 13:06:28
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2009, at 12:45:50
Bipolar no; however, two of five pdocs said otherwise... The one I trust the most says mood d/o nos- I have been in a mixed state for several months without relief; never felt euphoric (wish i had) and never felt i "needed" less sleep; even though i cant sleep.....so when the new DSM V comes out maybe will be bp..... lol.
How do I get a hold of dinah? also I tried to babblemail you but cant turn my on,.... what do i do?
Posted by 10derHeart on May 27, 2009, at 16:02:56
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Phillipa, posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 13:06:28
If you want to Babblemail people, and turn yours on, you have to update your registration so you can check the box "on," which right now is checked "off."
Do that here:
https://dr-bob.securesites.com/cgi-bin/pb/signup.pl
Then just find Dinah's (or Phillipa's) name in blue by opening any post of hers on any board (Dinah posts a lot on Psychology) and clicking it. The window will open for you to type a Babblemail.
I am regularly in touch with Dinah, too, so I'll be glad to point her to this thread.
Let me know if you need more Babblemail help.
-- 10der
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 16:06:54
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Frustratedmama, posted by 10derHeart on May 27, 2009, at 16:02:56
Thanks! However, I forgot my password- I am trying to reset password but it is not sending me an email......
hmmm?
Posted by 10derHeart on May 27, 2009, at 17:27:28
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » 10derHeart, posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 16:06:54
I moved my answer to Admin, here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/897963.html
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2009, at 17:54:08
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Phillipa, posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 13:06:28
It's not me. It was Mouse who was using Verapamil I think. I haven't seen her around lately.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Posted by SLS on May 27, 2009, at 18:40:44
In reply to Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 12:37:41
> (20% relief from anger which is the best I have had in a long time!).
Have you tried Tegretol or Trileptal?
- Scott
Posted by floatingbridge on May 27, 2009, at 20:12:29
In reply to Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 12:37:41
Dear FM,
No info for you--only best wishes.
Good luck!
Candace
Posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2009, at 21:27:28
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Phillipa, posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 13:06:28
Frustratedmama don't worry about turning on yours. Just as l0derHeart said click my posting name in blue and voila a page will appear and write a measure to me. Be sure to type in the new antispam code letters and then at the bottom hit send. I will get it as an e-mail. As for meds anger can also be a sign of bipolar. Don't know which one doesn't matter. I see you haven't posted more. Don't worry about reregistering now. Just stay the same. If your're back on write something on this thread. A mood stabalizer could work wonders for you. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2009, at 21:36:59
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Frustratedmama, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2009, at 17:54:08
Dinah must have been a long time ago don't ever remember a mouse except the one I use for my computer. Phillipa
Posted by 10derHeart on May 27, 2009, at 21:47:11
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Dinah, posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2009, at 21:36:59
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20080316/msgs/820106.html
She also was/is susan c. - not revealing anything - she signed as Mouse, from how people knew her earlier on I think....
Posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2009, at 18:26:49
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Phillipa, posted by 10derHeart on May 27, 2009, at 21:47:11
10derHeart how kind to send the old thread and I was here then. Just sure don't remember her. Great that she's doing so well. Love Phillipa
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 28, 2009, at 18:50:04
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by SLS on May 27, 2009, at 18:40:44
> > (20% relief from anger which is the best I have had in a long time!).
>
> Have you tried Tegretol or Trileptal?
>
>
> - ScottYes to tegretol- headaches were intolerable- couldn't handle more than few days..... I suffer from migraines that were worsened with lamictal.... Havent tried trileptal....
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 28, 2009, at 18:54:28
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » SLS, posted by Frustratedmama on May 28, 2009, at 18:50:04
Dinah,
Is mouse the same mouse from Crazy meds? Just wondering..... I signed up there too.....Phillipa and Candace,
thanks again for support..... I tried to babblemail but it won't let me cause mine is off and i cant turn mine on cause i forgot password and its not letting me reregister......\Thinking i need to add something to verapamil- it is helping but not enough.......
Looks like Mouse used depakote with verapamil.... I tried that years ago and fatigue was horrible for me; however, I wasn't taking adderall then so who knows.... could work.....\Now I feel the depression pieces.....
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 28, 2009, at 19:07:32
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by Frustratedmama on May 28, 2009, at 18:54:28
Dinah,
One more quick question: In susan c's post she wrote:
"I am off all medications,two strong meds for mental functioning - Depakote ER 1000mg and Verapamil ER 320mg, Prevacid for acid reflux, Rhinochort a sinus spray, ( I continue to do a saline rinse only), asthma meds are now "as needed", my lung function is the best it has ever been. I no longer use a CPAP machine."Does this mean she is still taking depakote and verapamil or is off them now?
Just wondering as I am looking into the diet stuff as well!
Thanks!
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 28, 2009, at 20:21:50
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by Frustratedmama on May 28, 2009, at 18:54:28
I emailed Dr. Bob and let him know there's a problem with your password reset. Hopefully, you will hear something soon from him and/or the server, but sometimes he does get really busy....
Posted by SLS on May 28, 2009, at 23:05:53
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » SLS, posted by Frustratedmama on May 28, 2009, at 18:50:04
> > > (20% relief from anger which is the best I have had in a long time!).
> >
> > Have you tried Tegretol or Trileptal?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Yes to tegretol- headaches were intolerable- couldn't handle more than few days..... I suffer from migraines that were worsened with lamictal....Well, that really stinks.
> Havent tried trileptal....
Trileptal is a close relative of Tegretol. I am not sure that you would avoid the headaches from using it.
Topamax is supposed to be good for migraines. It can also help with impulse control if this symptom is a manifestation of a manic mixed-state.
Zoloft had been used in the past for treating hostility and aggression. I don't know how true this is anymore.
- Scott
Posted by desolationrower on May 29, 2009, at 0:44:10
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Frustratedmama, posted by SLS on May 28, 2009, at 23:05:53
i'm still pulling for an alpha2agonist as the next thing to try
tho i hope the ver. works out
-d/r
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 29, 2009, at 12:17:45
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by desolationrower on May 29, 2009, at 0:44:10
> i'm still pulling for an alpha2agonist as the next thing to try
>
> tho i hope the ver. works out
>
> -d/rIs the alpha2agonist the tenex? Can that be taken with verapamil? Verapamil is so short acting and I need more relief.....
Also, noticed I am still negative! I need something to pull me up and down at the same time! Does that make sense?
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 29, 2009, at 12:22:13
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » Frustratedmama, posted by SLS on May 28, 2009, at 23:05:53
> Well, that really stinks.
I KNOW! :(
>
> Topamax is supposed to be good for migraines. It can also help with impulse control if this symptom is a manifestation of a manic mixed-state.
>Tried topamax was MORE depressed than releived :(
> Zoloft had been used in the past for treating hostility and aggression. I don't know how true this is anymore.
>
> THIS MIGHT MAKE SENSE THOUGH!Thanks Scott!
Posted by Abby Cunningham on May 29, 2009, at 15:20:41
In reply to Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by Frustratedmama on May 27, 2009, at 12:37:41
I take verapamil SR 240mg. daily for my heart arrythmia - I have SVT and have taken it for years. I had no idea it was used for psych. purposes. So there is a long-acting. Just be sure your blood pressure is not too low, which any MD will check before prescribing.
> Ok, so I started taking the verapamil and I am noticing a slight relief (not full relief) but the problems are this.... It doesn't last long (only 4 hours at most) and it only is partially helpful (20% relief from anger which is the best I have had in a long time!). So, anyone here have experience? If so what was dose and how often did you take it....? I am taking 80 mg 2 times a day- feel it might need to be 120 4 times a day...... just guessing.......
Posted by desolationrower on May 30, 2009, at 10:54:58
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » desolationrower, posted by Frustratedmama on May 29, 2009, at 12:17:45
> > i'm still pulling for an alpha2agonist as the next thing to try
> >
> > tho i hope the ver. works out
> >
> > -d/r
>
> Is the alpha2agonist the tenex? Can that be taken with verapamil? Verapamil is so short acting and I need more relief.....
> Also, noticed I am still negative! I need something to pull me up and down at the same time! Does that make sense?yes, its one. well careful with blood pressure is all.
i asked once but i forget, what happened when you tried lithium? because its about the only thing thats really do 'up and down at the same time'
-d/r
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 30, 2009, at 10:59:15
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by desolationrower on May 30, 2009, at 10:54:58
Lithium didn't help much as I remember (It was 8 years ago). I only got to 900 mg/day as the nausea was horrible and I stopped..... Levels were in the therapeutic range so pdoc switched to lamictal.... Lamictal helped once upon a time but side effects were somewhat annoying and it eventually pooped out on me anyway......
Posted by desolationrower on May 30, 2009, at 19:34:55
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy! » desolationrower, posted by Frustratedmama on May 30, 2009, at 10:59:15
how long were you on it?
hte best evidence for antidepressant effect is with bipolar, or combined with a TCA...a TCA would also help with focus like a stimulant, forget if you mentioned trials on that or straterra or reboxitine
-d/r
Posted by Frustratedmama on May 30, 2009, at 19:44:22
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by desolationrower on May 30, 2009, at 19:34:55
> how long were you on it?
about 3 months
>
> hte best evidence for antidepressant effect is with bipolar, or combined with a TCA...a TCA would also help with focus like a stimulant, forget if you mentioned trials on that or straterra or reboxitine
>
> -d/rI only tried one TCA (I think it was pamelor) and the dry mouth caused several cavities so we haven't tried any of the other TCA's..... which ones are better for replacing stimulant and dont cause dry mouth?
I haven't tried reboxetine and did try stratterra but it was so long ago I cant remember what happened......
Posted by desolationrower on June 1, 2009, at 1:37:05
In reply to Re: Verapamil Anyone? Need doseages and freqeuncy!, posted by Frustratedmama on May 30, 2009, at 19:44:22
> > how long were you on it?
>
> about 3 months
> >
> > hte best evidence for antidepressant effect is with bipolar, or combined with a TCA...a TCA would also help with focus like a stimulant, forget if you mentioned trials on that or straterra or reboxitine
> >
> > -d/r
>
> I only tried one TCA (I think it was pamelor) and the dry mouth caused several cavities so we haven't tried any of the other TCA's..... which ones are better for replacing stimulant and dont cause dry mouth?
>
> I haven't tried reboxetine and did try stratterra but it was so long ago I cant remember what happened......hm 3 months is a while. did you notice anything positive? most of the evidence for (non-bipolar) depression is when its added to an antidepressant. does seem like you've tried lots of options without getting na good response.
i think desipramine is the cleanest, though any noradrenergic agent can cause them (and since alpha2 are relevant, any NA drug that helps with the psychiatric features might cause this). there are muscarinic drugs used for sjorgen's that might help too (and an rx for wriglys). M3 agonists particularly, muscarinic system i think has a stronger influence than the sympathetic system on volume. so i think desipramine would be best to try, and if dry mouth develops, consider a muscacrinic drug.i think Cevimeline is approved for dry mouth but there are others.
d/r
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